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Tiny human species found

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http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-102704pygmy_lat,0,2098297.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Evidence of Human Dwarf Species Found
By Robert Lee Hotz, Times Staff Writer

On an isolated islet of Indonesia, scientists have discovered skeletons of a previously unknown human species — tiny, hobbit-sized figures who lived among dwarf elephants and giant lizards as recently as 12,000 years ago when modern humans already thrived worldwide.

Startled experts in human origins called the discovery — made public today — of a contemporary human species barely 3 feet tall the most important — and surprising — human find in the past 50 years.

"It is probably the most significant thing that has happened in my professional lifetime," said George Washington University paleoanthropologist Bernard Wood. "It comes out of nowhere."

Found last year in a deep cave on the island of Flores east of Java, the creatures had the smallest brains and shortest bodies of any known human relative of the past 4 million years. Yet, on the time scale of human beginnings, the skeletal remains were so new that the bones had yet to fossilize.

In the past 13 months, a team of Australian and Indonesian researchers led by paleoanthropologist Peter Brown at the University of New England in New South Wales, Australia, has excavated seven partial skeletons of men and women belonging to the small human species from a cave called Liang Bua.

The discovery of Homo floresiensis, or Flores Man, as the extinct species has been named, is powerful evidence of human diversity and the inexorable force of evolution, researchers said. It brings to 11 the number of species sprouting on the human family tree over the past 2 million years.

More important, it demonstrates that selective pressures of adaptation to changing circumstances forced humankind into a new mold even after people had acquired the rudiments of culture and tool use, several experts said.

The evidence of stone tools found near the remains suggests that this diminutive offshoot of humankind commanded fire, cooked, chiseled primitive knives and axes, hunted in groups and demonstrated by implication other basic elements of human behavior despite their small brains, the researchers reported.

All told, it appears that marooned on this jungle island, humanity took a giant step backward to survive.

"It challenges the whole idea of what it is that makes us human," Chris Stringer, director of human origins at the Natural History Museum in London, said today at a news conference.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=000B7CEA-EA31-117E-AA3183414B7F0000
 
i'm fascinated by this shit. the bones weren't even fossilized. can't stop thinking how recently they could have survived.
 
why did they needthis to survive (i.e. what was the evolutionary impotus to change? less calories needed?)
 
If they had the use of tools fire and shit... why did they become extinct?
 
chaos mage said:
God made them this way, maybe?


what i thought, but the article said something along the lines of 'they had to de-evolve to survive'
 
Big Rick Rock said:
If they had the use of tools fire and shit... why did they become extinct?

well, orb. how long would we survive around a bunch of 12 foot tall peeps? prolly not too long.

and what about my pm? :chomp:
 
big_bad_buff said:
funny article...they found a "new species" of humans:FRlol: what a fucking joke


"Older stone tools and other artifacts previously found on the island suggest that Flores Man is part of a substantial archaic human lineage."

"They made stone tools, lit fires and organized group hunts for meat. Bones of fish, birds and rodents found near the skeleton were charred, suggesting they were cooked. All this suggests Flores Man lived communally and communicated effectively, perhaps even verbally."


so in your opinion this would make them what, jellyfish?
 
Wait until starfish sees this, she'll be soooooo happy. She could play center on their basketball team. ;)



:wodin:
 
what did they find this time? part of a finger? a rib or a tooth? and now we have a whole species of midgets? i say wtf ever
 
big_bad_buff said:
what did they find this time? part of a finger? a rib or a tooth? and now we have a whole species of midgets? i say wtf ever
an entire skeleton, did not you read?
 
did not you read? lol yes i read, and no where did i read "an entire skeleton" was found like your saying. it says "skeletons" how come there are no pictures on the site besides a altered skull? i want to see evidence, documentation that the remains were not of midgets, children ect. i say another hoax



SoreArms said:
an entire skeleton, did not you read?
 
big_bad_buff said:
did not you read? lol yes i read, and no where did i read "an entire skeleton" was found like your saying. it says "skeletons" how come there are no pictures on the site besides a altered skull? i want to see evidence, documentation that the remains were not of midgets, children ect. i say another hoax


saw video footage on BBC.....looks pretty genuine. personally i just think it was a dwarf mutation but for whatever reason they dont think so
 
exactly, and that's all i want to see, why they think this

danielson said:
saw video footage on BBC.....looks pretty genuine. personally i just think it was a dwarf mutation but for whatever reason they dont think so
 
Big Rick Rock said:
If they had the use of tools fire and shit... why did they become extinct?


They didn't become extinct. These creatures were super smart. By the time us lousy taller species learned how to built fire and discovered our assholes, they had allready created several time machines with which they saw the future and decided that earth was worthless. Therefore, they decided to take off and are now currently residing in a galaxy 3.432 trillion light years away.

They did leave some bones behind, so us, the taller ones, not to mention the retarded ones, would discover their existence. Not in their wildest dreams they could have imagined that this would take us thousands of years and even after discovering their remains, we still be startled like all of you are here today.

Ofcourse, since I am not as retarded, i figured this out as soon as I read the title of this thread.
 
big_bad_buff said:
wtf are you talking about creationism for? isnt this thread about a Dwarf Species? you're a retard

If it is indeed a new species of human then it could mean evolution is more complex than thought. Why do you find this so hard to believe?
 
Big Rick Rock said:
If they had the use of tools fire and shit... why did they become extinct?
from link provided by Jaded:
Geologic evidence suggests a massive volcanic eruption sealed its fate some 12,000 years ago, along with other unusual species on the island.

later in the article

Nature is full of mammals -- deer, squirrels and pigs, for example -- living in marginal, isolated environments that gradually dwarf when food isn't plentiful and predators aren't threatening.

On Flores, the Komodo dragon and other large meat-eating lizards prowled. But Flores Man didn't have to worry about violent human neighbors.

This is the first time that the evolution of dwarfism has been recorded in a human relative, said the study's lead author, Peter Brown of the University of New England in Australia.
 
There are still many holes in the theory of evolution.

I don't see how this discovery greatly attributes to / debunks any current thought.
 
First, evolution is a theory in itself, and after reading that article and Subzeero above post, I can’t decide which is more believable, a pre-human dwarf species, or alien creatures that left our planet and went elsewhere. Both are just theories. What makes you believe in this article so strongly? I for one don’t believe anything without proof and 100% accuracy, just because some shit pile in a white coat says something doesn’t mean there is any truth to it.
 
big_bad_buff said:
First, evolution is a theory in itself, and after reading that article and Subzeero above post, I can’t decide which is more believable, a pre-human dwarf species, or alien creatures that left our planet and went elsewhere. Both are just theories. What makes you believe in this article so strongly? I for one don’t believe anything without proof and 100% accuracy, just because some shit pile in a white coat says something doesn’t mean there is any truth to it.
you focus too much on the word "theory"
read this,it explains in detail

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

"In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution."
 
even within us how do you explain wisdom teeth or the vermiform appendix?
or how come 98% of male sperm is designed/tasked with killing other sperm?
kinda flys in the face of one man/one women
survival of the fittest at the sperm level
 
depends if they were being chased by one of those Komodo dragons
I'd be running side to side and wobbling
anything but walking normal
 
big_bad_buff said:
did not you read? lol yes i read, and no where did i read "an entire skeleton" was found like your saying. it says "skeletons" how come there are no pictures on the site besides a altered skull? i want to see evidence, documentation that the remains were not of midgets, children ect. i say another hoax

if this is a hoax its a big mofoing hoax

its in papers around the world
 
Robert Jan said:
if this is a hoax its a big mofoing hoax

its in papers around the world
they made off with the missing Iraqi munitions
but being the primitive race that they are
they were opening their new booty too close to the campfire,and kaboom!
this explains why there is no "complete" skeleton and the charred bones
 
i know ssme is happy about this. because that means that there has been someone with smaller a smaller dick than him.
 
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