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Time off=Time on:Where's the proof?

drveejay11

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I understand and agree that it is a wise practice to spend as much time "off" as time spent "on" in an effort to allow your body to return to a state of homeostasis. I also believe this time off allows the body to fully recuperate. However...I have never seen any studies on this whatsoever. How do we know it is in fact enough time off or conversely too much time "wasted" being off? It would be nice to get more of a scientific answer to "how long it takes to truly recover".:rolleyes:
 
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It is just a round guess to follow. It is impossible to tell, specially since everyone is different, but in my case, that is not enough time to restore my hormone levels, and my cholesterol always takes a bit longer to fully return to baseline levels. It also depends on the drugs you use. I guess the only real studies are your own through monitoring your blood.
 
drveejay11 said:
Hmmmmmmmm.............
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I am quoting 2thick here, i heard him state a about a day ago....

"it takes 2 months to recover; 6 months to FULLY recover" (paraphrased)

so if cycling is your way, then time on= time off, sounds suffice.
 
drveejay11 said:
I understand and agree that it is a wise practice to spend as much time "off" as time spent "on" in an effort to allow your body to return to a state of homeostasis. I also believe this time off allows the body to fully recuperate. However...I have never seen any studies on this whatsoever. How do we know it is in fact enough time off or conversely too much time "wasted" being off? It would be nice to get more of a scientific answer to "how long it takes to truly recover".:rolleyes:
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the proof that you seek does not exist, as the time off will vary from one individual to another, some may fully recover in 3-4 weeks while others may make much longer........in some cases up to 8-12months

the only way to know for sure is to run blood work
 
drveejay11 said:
I understand and agree that it is a wise practice to spend as much time "off" as time spent "on" in an effort to allow your body to return to a state of homeostasis. I also believe this time off allows the body to fully recuperate. However...I have never seen any studies on this whatsoever. How do we know it is in fact enough time off or conversely too much time "wasted" being off? It would be nice to get more of a scientific answer to "how long it takes to truly recover".:rolleyes:
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The only way to prove it for yourself is to get a doctor who will test your natural levels before, and then do your cycle, and keep testing after to see when your back up and running.

I think its just a general good rule of thumb, I'm not going to compete and I do not plan to , so I do NOT need to push the envelope, and its a good way to keep me from letting myself become addicted to the stuff.
 
I don't get why everyone is in a rush to get back on? The way I am planning on using gear is like this:

Every 4-8 weeks I change up my workout routine. I start with very high volume (8-12 reps, 6-10 sets) and low intensity.

Then I up the weight a bit, and lower the volume (4-6 reps, 3-5 sets).

Then I up the weight more, and lower the volume more (2-3 reps, 3-5 sets).

Then up the weight even more, and lower the volume even more (1-3 reps, 2-3 sets).

Then it's back to high volume, low intensity (8-12 reps, 6-10 sets)



What I'm going to do is throw in a cycle every time I hit the "high volume/low intensity" phase of training (hypertrophy phase). Since this is the time in your training when you will need the most help with recovery...steroids will be the most help here.

Of course, after doing a few cycles in this fashion, I will cycle during other phases just to change things up a bit...

That's just my theory...do whatever is best for you.
 
I do HST for 3 weeks, then 4 on 1 off for 3 cycles (15 days), then maybe another day or two off if I feel like it.

Why does everyone want to jump back on? Addiction.

Someone probably just came up with time on time off, and I think its a good rule of thumb regardless of being made up or not. For those who compete, then envelope pushing is a different matter altogether.
 
drveejay11 said:
I understand and agree that it is a wise practice to spend as much time "off" as time spent "on" in an effort to allow your body to return to a state of homeostasis. I also believe this time off allows the body to fully recuperate. However...I have never seen any studies on this whatsoever. How do we know it is in fact enough time off or conversely too much time "wasted" being off? It would be nice to get more of a scientific answer to "how long it takes to truly recover".:rolleyes:
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That's probably because there's hardly any research pertaining to this- remember, steroids are produced in pharmaceutical industry for medical purposes, not bodybuilders.

However, I do recall one study involving a BBer that had been on for years, and it requred somewhere around a year for his sperm count and test levels to reach normal range. I dont recall the specifics, but this is available on medline. Also, bill robert's articles on mesomorphosis combine a little scientific education with personal and anecdotal experience.
 
from what i read i think the therory of time off=time on was directed at what was thought to be the over saturation of receptor sites d/t continuous use of AS,and that the continued use made them less sensitive,i read a recent study in MD that proved this therory to be incorrect and that the receptors where no less receptive at the begining or at different intervals or when therapy was dicontinued,and i think as dr m has already said that it is used as a general rule of thumb to gage your testes resuming their normal function,every one responds and recups differently so the only true measure is pre and post levels,you also have to take into consideration decreased production of test w/ age,and as i guys think you will agree there truly is no 100% safe way to do AS we put ourselves at risk w/ each inject,so you have to ask yourself is it worth it,for me the answer is yes,

S.R.
 
southern rage said:
from what i read i think the therory of time off=time on was directed at what was thought to be the over saturation of receptor sites d/t continuous use of AS,and that the continued use made them less sensitive.
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That is a simplified version of the reason why it takes 6 months to fully recover.
 
starting your next cycle before your hormones have fully balanced, you are more likely to get unwanted side-effects. Acne, gyno, and sudden mood changes being at the forfront.
 
swampmoose said:
what do they check for in blood work? i have never even thought of having it done. how much does it cost? thanks!
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It is a good idea to check your kidneys, liver values, blood lipid profile, and your hormone levels. You should get it free if your doctor prescribes it and you have insurance.
 
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