Thyroid Panel

[djsf]

I'm posting on behalf of a friend who doesn't have an account here yet. Hopefully one of you experienced bro's can help with some advice on this topic, which I will pass on.

My friend just had bloodwork done, and the results showed that he has a high T3 uptake. His T4 is 5.1 with the range being 4.5-12.0. His free Thyroxine Index is 2.3 with the range being 1.2-4.9. The range for T3 uptake is supposed to be 24-39, and his is at 46. Everything else looks fine. He (and his doctor) are at a loss as to what's causing this.

My friend's stats are:
Age, height: 49, 5'11"
BF: 15%
weight: about 210
workout experience: 9 years
cycle experience: 2-3 cycles
compounds used: test, eq, dbol in moderate doses, moderate cycle length, proper PCT
no history of use of any peptides (i.e. no IGF, T3, etc.) or other exotic or out of the ordinary drugs

Any ideas or suggestions? K to all replies.

 

[justinjones1963]

I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism earlier this year. I have no idea what caused it.

I did use clen for two weeks and my thyroid went bad around the time period after I used it. It was not the first time I used clen though. I have read that clen is known to slow the rate of T4 to T3 conversion. Perhaps this was the culprit that evetually hurt my thyroid.

Check to see if he used clen. If not then I am not sure what is up.

 

[ricorico]

I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism earlier this year. I have no idea what caused it.

I did use clen for two weeks and my thyroid went bad around the time period after I used it. It was not the first time I used clen though. I have read that clen is known to slow the rate of T4 to T3 conversion. Perhaps this was the culprit that evetually hurt my thyroid.

Check to see if he used clen. If not then I am not sure what is up.

thats why you gotta take 3-5 grams of Taurine with clen

 

[J. Adams]

I'm posting on behalf of a friend who doesn't have an account here yet. Hopefully one of you experienced bro's can help with some advice on this topic, which I will pass on.

My friend just had bloodwork done, and the results showed that he has a high T3 uptake. His T4 is 5.1 with the range being 4.5-12.0. His free Thyroxine Index is 2.3 with the range being 1.2-4.9. The range for T3 uptake is supposed to be 24-39, and his is at 46. Everything else looks fine. He (and his doctor) are at a loss as to what's causing this.

My friend's stats are:
Age, height: 49, 5'11"
BF: 15%
weight: about 210
workout experience: 9 years
cycle experience: 2-3 cycles
compounds used: test, eq, dbol in moderate doses, moderate cycle length, proper PCT
no history of use of any peptides (i.e. no IGF, T3, etc.) or other exotic or out of the ordinary drugs

Any ideas or suggestions? K to all replies.

His doctor didn't get the most important thyroid panel result, or more probably your friend forgot to tell you.

The TSH value.

A normal thyroid panel is T3, Free T3, T3 Uptake, T4, and TSH.

The TSH value is the most important. (TSH = Thyroid Stimulating Hormone)

 

[J. Adams]

I'm posting on behalf of a friend who doesn't have an account here yet. Hopefully one of you experienced bro's can help with some advice on this topic, which I will pass on.

My friend just had bloodwork done, and the results showed that he has a high T3 uptake. His T4 is 5.1 with the range being 4.5-12.0. His free Thyroxine Index is 2.3 with the range being 1.2-4.9. The range for T3 uptake is supposed to be 24-39, and his is at 46. Everything else looks fine. He (and his doctor) are at a loss as to what's causing this.

My friend's stats are:
Age, height: 49, 5'11"
BF: 15%
weight: about 210
workout experience: 9 years
cycle experience: 2-3 cycles
compounds used: test, eq, dbol in moderate doses, moderate cycle length, proper PCT
no history of use of any peptides (i.e. no IGF, T3, etc.) or other exotic or out of the ordinary drugs

Any ideas or suggestions? K to all replies.

Sounds like he might have ESS (Happens to athletes a lot due to overtraining)

Basically, your body converts your T4 to T3 via the de-iodinase enzyme. What happens to people with ESS is that the T4 does not get converted just to T3, but also to reverse T3 (rT3) (Which is metbaolicaly inactive). Which is probably the reason why his free thyroxine(T3) levels are in the low end.
The doctor could check for blood rt3 levels to see if this is the case. It's easy enough.

 

[J. Adams]

I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism earlier this year. I have no idea what caused it.

I did use clen for two weeks and my thyroid went bad around the time period after I used it. It was not the first time I used clen though. I have read that clen is known to slow the rate of T4 to T3 conversion. Perhaps this was the culprit that evetually hurt my thyroid.

Check to see if he used clen. If not then I am not sure what is up.

Clen is a Beta-2 adrenoreceptor agonist...it increases T4-T3 conversion dramatically

Clen is what we call a selective beta drenoreceptor agonist as it targets the Beta-2 receptor specifically.

Ephedrine on the other hand is an unselective beta-adrenoreceptor agonist, as it targets all the beta-adrenoreceptors: The Beta-1's, 2's, and 3's.
Epehdrine also increases T4-T3 conversion, but not as dramatically as clenbuterol.

Clen was not the direct culprit behind your thyroid going bad. But it more than probably jump-started a pre-existing condition you had indirectly.

 

[J. Adams]

thats why you gotta take 3-5 grams of Taurine with clen

Taurine is a cell Voluminizer. Specifically Taurine will increase the effectiveness of Clen from about 2 weeks to about 4-6 weeks (6 weeks is pushing it though).

Clenbuterol burns fat through an increased T4-T3 conversion, but it's also the Beta-2 adrenoreceptors that contribute to fat burning a great deal. Also, it is theorized that the Beta-2 adrenoreceptors have protein-sparing properties hence why some people claim Clen to be anti-catabolic. (And why people get great results of it)

 

[solidspine]

Personally, I do not trust the validity of medical exams and believe they need to be taken a couple of times, I know it is a hassle, but so is being told you have liver failure when you are fine.

 

[J. Adams]

Personally, I do not trust the validity of medical exams and believe they need to be taken a couple of times, I know it is a hassle, but so is being told you have liver failure when you are fine.

Damn...that's harsh.

But I agree, it's medical exams taken over a protracted period of time that give people the most benefits.

One exam won't tell you much. But two over a period of say 8 weeks will tell you a lot more about the condition of your health.

 

[velvett]

Well, without knowing the TSH you really don't have a full picture, you would need to know if it scored high or low.

I happen to agree with Solidspine - but - just as a side note, the high uptake could be from a recent cycle. Also, was he sick recently? On penicillin by any chance?

It's been my experience that Thyroid is a mystery to many doctors and many don't want to venture out of the box to "fool" with it.

So, I guess what needs to be said is - that without a full review of all the blood work taken (not just a thyroid panel) and a bit of history there's really no good advice available.

 

[jetty]

I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism earlier this year. I have no idea what caused it.

I did use clen for two weeks and my thyroid went bad around the time period after I used it. It was not the first time I used clen though. I have read that clen is known to slow the rate of T4 to T3 conversion. Perhaps this was the culprit that evetually hurt my thyroid.

Check to see if he used clen. If not then I am not sure what is up.

Didn't know Clen could cause thyroid problems. anyone else have experience with this?

 

[justinjones1963]

thats why you gotta take 3-5 grams of Taurine with clen

I did.

 

[Makavelli]

It's not the clen that causes the decline in T3 values. It's that you're dieting while using clen. After dieting for two weeks straight your thyroid will start slowing down your metabolism. Your T4 to T3 conversion will be faulty. There are several reasons for this, one of which was already mentioned, the deiodinase enzyme.