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DUSTY
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Prepare for news of troopers from both sides bein' sent home in bodybags. It will be a terrible outcome.
Baby Gorilla
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Okay....
And this is news how?
And this is news how?
the nature boy
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so people die during war? no way.
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Warik
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Thousands on both sides? Did you forget the Gulf War? The Iraqi:American death ratio was like 2143412423:1. Don't pull things out of your ass like that.
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-Warik
musclebrains
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The Nature Boy said:
Apparently it is a shock to Americans, who still think the Gulf War was bloodless, thanks to "liberal" CNN's coverage of it as a kind of video game starring Colin Powell. In a recent poll, a majority of Americans said they'd disfavor Bush's invasion if it resulted in significant civilian deaths in Iraq -- as if it could be otherwise.
I am unclear how attacking Iraq, deposing its hateful dictator, will affect Al Qaeda's suicide missions or keep drunk drivers off the road. I guess the carnage will provide a nice catharsis, though.
Who said anything about stopping drunk drivers with the invasion of Iraq. Because he more than likely is directly linke with helping al qaeda. He openly pays relatives of suicide bombers that attack israel and is a long time friend of Arafat. I am sure he is a good friend of Bin Laden as well.
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chesty said:
I don't know about you, but me personally... I'd like to go cumming.
But then again, that is only me.
Bikini Mod
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Loosen up people....
Life is too short. I hate all of this war talk. Maybe I am simple, but I just don't like it...
I have to go see a paper about some monkeys now.
Life is too short. I hate all of this war talk. Maybe I am simple, but I just don't like it...
I have to go see a paper about some monkeys now.
Bikini Mod
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Silly... it is an illustration that I am working on.
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Code
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People die in wars.
Even the Gulf War.
Now the soldiers currently in the gulf and/or heading there know this. Most of them are reminded gently daily by their CO of their impending deaths...be it for not having a proper gig-line or for doing poorly at the range.
And the folks in Iraq are painfully aware that their time could possibly be cut short. If they do not know, they will soon find out.
Civilians die in wars too. We try not to target them, but hey, shit happens.
Even the Gulf War.
Now the soldiers currently in the gulf and/or heading there know this. Most of them are reminded gently daily by their CO of their impending deaths...be it for not having a proper gig-line or for doing poorly at the range.
And the folks in Iraq are painfully aware that their time could possibly be cut short. If they do not know, they will soon find out.
Civilians die in wars too. We try not to target them, but hey, shit happens.
musclebrains
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chesty said:
This is demonstrably untrue. The puritanical bin Laden has long despised the womanizing, drunken Saddam. It is well understood that the recent tape calling on alliance with "our Iraqi brothers" was recorded with clenched teeth.
musclebrains
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got big? said:
Somehow, I think one's options in life are a bit broader than this.
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Code
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Iraq and Al-Queda are not allied.
Al-Queda is muslim extremists who do not deal with non-muslims.
Al-Queda is muslim extremists who do not deal with non-muslims.
musclebrains
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Code said:
Interesting. America has never had the experience in modernity -- until recently -- of civilians dying in a "war." When you consider the incredible impact it has had on the American psyche, including the need for revenge we see in this misguided invasion, imagine what a similar act of killing, multiplied many times over, will have on the population of Iraq and the rest of the Mideast.
The coming war is not the result of an invasion or an attack by the Iraqis. It is based on suspicion of violation of a UN resolution that has not been thoroughly investigated yet. You actually think the world will see America as something more than a terrorist itself if it attacks a nation's populaton unprovoked and then, throwing up its hands over the bodies of thousands of corpses, says "Oh well, shit happens!" ?
And then what?
musclebrains
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chesty said:
Um, history demonstrates that Hussein and bin Laden depsise one another. Maybe their unified hate of the US will make them bedfellows now. But they have a well known history of animosity.
I didn't know one went to war planning to die. I assumed one went to kill the enemy, not to martyr himself for a cause. Going to war isn't choosing your death. It's risking your life and there are many causes besides a nationalistic one for which one may risk his life.
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Code
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musclebrains said:
This has happened in every other war, only mediating circumstances were different.
The US is a global bully. I'd rather it be the county *I* live in rather than a country that hated mine, like France.
musclebrains
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Code said:
The circumstance of civilian casualties of this likely magnitude has usually been preceded by an actual act of aggression. This is a quantum leap forward from Grenada...and even of the CIA support of bloody coups, in that we will be doing the killing ourselves, in a war in which there's been no actual act of aggression.
That's something we keep missing. Though Iraq, like Israel, has not honored its UN agreements completely, the truth is Saddam has not made trouble outside his borders in 10 years. One has to conclude that world pressure has contained him to a significant degree.
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Code
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musclebrains said:
I could be mistaken, but there was no act of aggression on the US regard vietnam nor the korean conflict.
I guess it boils down to this:
You're essentially arguing war is wrong.
And I'm saying that it's a fact of life.
muscle_geek
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musclebrains said:
Once again you're wrong. It appears like you listen to news and friends and such to gather opinions. I've been part of the fighting. The only terrorists that have any resolve whatsoever are the leaders. The actual terrorist that lead the missions are just stupid, misled people. They are extremely scared of us. When we attack they run and hide. They will only re-form and plot against us when attacks stop.
This war will last less than two weeks. Everyone is making this out to be something bigger than it is. The people of Iraq want us to overthrow Sadaam. They are just powerless to defeat him and they are scared to speak out against him. Yes, many of them will die. But they will dance in the streets when they become liberated. I promise you that. I've been very close to these type situations in the past.
naturally anabolic
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cant we all just get along? is that so hard to ask? greed, envy, nationalism, corruption...these are the things we need to "war" against because this world is going to hell in a handbasket and bush, saddam, osama bin laden, dick cheney, colin powell, ariel sharon are leading us all there.... why dont we execute all these fucking bureaucrats, terrorists, tyrannts and just go about being happy we are alive and enjoy life, If people are hungry then feed them, if they are without shelter then give them such....The world is a community as much as it is seperate nations, people fail to remeber that, no power has blinded us to this fact because if we actually all worked together...it might just work out...im not advocating communism because i think it is inherantly flawed but some of its ideals are very good....people are people no matter where they are from....
fuck this world would be a better place if we had never invented firearms or weapons of any sort...
human beings i am starting to believe are nothing but hateful, grudge bearing, evil beings.
fuck this world would be a better place if we had never invented firearms or weapons of any sort...
human beings i am starting to believe are nothing but hateful, grudge bearing, evil beings.
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Citruscide
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Chesty, snipe some off for me!!!
Thousands will die??? We aren't expecting it... we're counting on it!!! MUAHAHAHAHA -- sorry wanted to say that line from a villian stand point...
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Thousands will die??? We aren't expecting it... we're counting on it!!! MUAHAHAHAHA -- sorry wanted to say that line from a villian stand point...
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the nature boy
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muscle_geek said:
the actual war is the easy part. Then what? do we just leave? do we setup some puppet regime that the people will eventually hate and overthrow, only to have someone worse than saddam running the show?
my problem is that nobody has discussed what to do after the war, and how long we have to stay there.
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Code
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The Nature Boy said:
After the war, no one cares. If we get wrapped up in sending billions in aid money we waste money. If we prop up our own puppet regime, it's just going to ite us in the ass when that leader turns against us.
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Code said:
you're right, but that's not good. that means we might end up going back, for a 3rd time. yey.
The Nature Boy said:
Then there is the problem of Iraq possibly splitting into several countries and turning into the same mess that we have in the balkans. You have the kurds in the North, who are already fighting for their own homeland. Something that the Turkish government is strongly against, because of their own large kurdish population. Then you have the Shi'a Muslims in the South, who have an allegiance to Iran. Which is 90% Shi'a Muslim.
While I think that something needs to be done, there also needs to be better planning for after the war.
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Code
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The Nature Boy said:
Oh well. Thats the price we pay for being the global bully.
Testosterone boy
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naturally anabolic said:
I was just talking about truly fucked up we are as a species.
I am flabbergasted by all the EF guys who are enthused about killing Iraqi's. When asked what the Iraqi's have done to them, the only defense I have heard is something about them not liking us.
What a defense. "Your honor, I killed that man because he said that he did not like me."
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ariolanine
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We could annilihate that country with conventional weapons and not a single American casualty. It's all up to the military how they want to go about it.
chesty said:
I hate to break it to you bro, but MB is right about that... Bin Laden is a muslim extremist that hates the athiest Bath party that Sadaam leads. The muslim extremists hate all non-muslims, INCLUDING Hussein. That much is well documented... However, that said, what that tape is calling for is for all muslims (Iraqi civilians) to rise up against "American agressors" It said nothing of supporting Sadaam or his government.
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Frackal
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Most of these pussies like ariolanine are almost guaranteed to never have seen real war....why dont you go sign up if you're so eager to watch people die
Friscochick
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bikinimom said:Loosen up people....
Life is too short. I hate all of this war talk. Maybe I am simple, but I just don't like it...
I have to go see a paper about some monkeys now.
BUMP
the nature boy
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FLASHMAN1 said:
you're right. saddam is a nationalist and NOT an islamic government, and that goes against the islamic fundamentalists like bin ladden.
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ariolanine
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Frackal said:
I already have talked to a recruiter. He said that their would need to be at least 4,000 casualties before I had a chance at any real combat. Since the war won't last long enough and since we will have less than 200 casualties, I have no chance to kill anyone. I guess that makes me a pussy. But I still don't jerk to vin diesel.
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Code
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Frackal said:
I served in the Gulf and Granada.
I can tell you that most infantry and specfor members are just as eager as the pussies like airolane.
muscle_geek
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The Nature Boy said:
I agree with this point. Its going to be very important to get in and out as soon as possible. Its going to be difficult.
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musclebrains said:
Again, call me simple... but this seems like a good question.
I don't know ANYTHING about politics or war or posturing, puppet government, alliances, who hates who and/or who is bedfellows with whom else. BUT.... Anyone who is looking at the BIG picture (as I am sure that anyone who is talking about the death of even a single individual is) SHOULD be able to answer this question with a reasonable degree of intelligence.
No?
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ariolanine
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Who cares what we do after we get hussein? We are trying to kill terrorists, that's it.
the nature boy
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ariolanine said:
excellent long range thinking!!!! the reason why, is so we don't have to go back FOR A 3RD TIME!!!
DUH!!!!!!! it's a good thing you're not running the show.
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ariolanine
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The Nature Boy said:
If we take over the country then there is nothing to worry about. Trust me, if I was running the show we'd all be rich and loving it.
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Frackal
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ariolanine said:
I already have talked to a recruiter. He said that their would need to be at least 4,000 casualties before I had a chance at any real combat. Since the war won't last long enough and since we will have less than 200 casualties, I have no chance to kill anyone. I guess that makes me a pussy. But I still don't jerk to vin diesel.
lol well at least you made an attempt to put your money where your mouth is
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naturally anabolic said:
This has to be one of the most stupid, ignorant things I have had the misery of reading on this board.
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Code
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atlantabiolab said:
You weren't here for May1010, Adam, STEEL BEAST or Luvs2lift.
Testosterone boy
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Code said:
Your list is missing a couple names.
atlantabiolab
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musclebrains said:
Can we say "loaded" question? How does one define "significant civilian deaths"?
How bout we take a poll and ask "Do you support the war in Iraq, if bad things will happen?"
musclebrains
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atlantabiolab said:
The poll, as I recall, asked if there were "thousands" of civilian causalties.
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DUSTY
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WHO'S HELPING US FIGHT THIS WAR BESIDES GREAT BRITIAN?
Baby Gorilla
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Uh....
Actually, last I heard, the whole UN is behind us (political support wise) save Germany, France, and Russia. All three of which have been helping Saddam over the last several years.DUSTY said:
musclebrains
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I believe most of the UN wants Saddam to honor his agreements. I do not think most of the UN is behind a unilateral invasion by the US. But maybe things have changed in the last week. I haven't read much.
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Frackal
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Well ..thousands did die darktoof
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ariolanine
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And my prediction of less than 200 US casualties was correct.
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