CYCLEON said:
I definitely prefer 1.4 butenadiol - its an industrial product and so the quality is usually pretty good and doent need to be made in abasement. for me 3ml is good to go 4.5ml go to bed.
You are aware that 1,4 BD is EXTREMELY hard on the liver right? You thing Methyl test, or 17aa is bad? Not even close. 1,4 uses the same enzymatic pathway to convert to ghb that alcohol uses to metabolize into non-toxic metabolites (Poldrugo F, 1984). Also, for those that drink, the 1,4 is unable to convert in the prescence of alcohol (same study)I know of two people who had dangerously high liver values from taking just a 1/2-3/4 teaspoon a night of 99.999 reagent grade BD for less than a month.
I would much rather take basement GHB (the pH is easily correctable) or GBL over the BD. Since that episode, I quit all of them. Ambiem, ativan, valium ect... are much better for you than any of them. The GH increase is doubled in young healthy men, but there is also a rise in prolactin levels, as well as cortisol (Van Cauter E et. al, 1997). The elevated horomone levels are only observed during the first two hours of sleep, so although it may be a decent secretegogue, its likely you won't see any benefit other than the good sleep, or buzz.
On top of that, it doesn't take much to be physically addicted. Withdrawl symptoms included visual hallucinations, tachycardia, tremor, nystagmus, and diaphoresis (Schneir AB et al, 2001). Withdrawl can last upto 15 days.
Personally, I am a fan of
responsible GHB, and GBL use, but its easy to abuse without noticing. I won't ever touch 1,4 again. Especially when pharm grade GHB, and reagent grade GBL are easy to come by.
-FC
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