my last cycle was prop and winny,i got very good results far as leaness and hardness,but i was at a low bodyfat ,i would say you gotto be at least at 12%b/f so you can see good results,also like swordfish stated your diet has to be on point...
my joints were sore and my lipids were bad but next i'll do 50mgs of winny instead and take more essentials oils and my vytorian which help with the lipids and increase my test to 100mgs eod.