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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/31/60minutes/main527678.shtml
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CBS) Remember when girls became nurses and not doctors? Stenographers, not CEOs? Teachers, not principals?

Well, that's not the way it is any more. Thirty years after the passage of equal opportunity laws, girls are graduating from high school and college and going into professions and businesses in record numbers. Now, it's the boys who could use a little help in school, where they're falling behind their female counterparts.

And if you think it's just boys from the inner cities, think again. It's happening in all segments of society, in all 50 states. That's why more and more educators are calling for a new national effort to put boys on an equal footing with their sisters, Lesley Stahl reports.

At graduation ceremonies last June at Hanover High School in Massachusetts, it was the ninth year in a row that a girl was on the podium as school valedictorian. Girls also took home nearly all the honors, including the science prize, says principal Peter Badalament.

“(Girls) tend to dominate the landscape academically right now,” he says, even in math and science.

The school's advanced placement classes, which admit only the most qualified students, are often 70 percent to 80 percent girls. This includes calculus. And in AP biology, there was not a single boy.

According to Badalment, three out of four of the class leadership positions, including the class presidents, are girls. In the National Honor Society, almost all of the officers are girls. The yearbook editor is a girl.

While there are statistically more boy geniuses than girl geniuses, far more boys than girls are found at the very bottom of the academic ranks. School districts from Massachusetts to Minnesota to California report that boys are withdrawing from the life of schools, and girls are taking over.

“Girls outperform boys in elementary school, middle school, high school, and college, and graduate school,” says Dr. Michael Thompson, a school psychologist who writes about the academic problems of boys in his book, "Raising Cain." He says that after decades of special attention, girls are soaring, while boys are stagnating.

“Girls are being told, 'Go for it, you can do it. Go for it, you can do it.' They are getting an immense amount of support,” he says. “Boys hear that the way to shine is athletically. And boys get a lot of mixed messages about what it means to be masculine and what it means to be a student. Does being a good student make you a real man? I don't think so… It is not cool.”

“Girls don't necessarily get teased as much if they do well,” says Meredith, a graduating senior at Hanover High.

“I think that boys are more--you know, expected to be the star athletes, you know, to bring home the football title,” says Tom, another graduating senior.

Their classmate Colby agrees: “I think maybe girls are a little more goal-oriented, where guys, in general, are more apt to go with the flow, like, 'Well, if I do well in high school, that's great. If I don't, hey, that's fine.'”

The picture doesn't get much brighter for young men when they get to college. Campuses are now nearly 60 percent female, with women earning 170,000 more bachelor degrees each year than men. Women are streaming into business schools and medical schools, and this year, women will be the majority at the nation's law schools. At some colleges, they're getting so many more qualified women applicants than men applicants that the schools are doing something that might shock you.

“To make a class that's 50:50, they're practicing affirmative action on behalf of boys,” says Thompson. “Girls are so outperforming boys in school right now, one statistician said he took it out to its absurd endpoint and said at the present trend, the last man to get his bachelor's degree will do so in 2068.”

Even if that never happens, the trend is ominous. Boys are falling further behind girls in reading and writing, and still, there's no public outcry the way there was for girls, and we wanted to find out why.

“All the rhetoric in the gender equity movement is about how schools shortchange girls. There was almost nothing about how we could reach out to boys,” says Christina Hoff Sommers, a former college professor, now at the American Enterprise Institute. She blames the lack of attention to boys' problems on feminists.

“In order to advance girls, they exaggerated how vulnerable girls were, and they understated the needs of boys. They depicted boys as ... the privileged beneficiaries of a patriarchal society that oppresses women, demeans them and trains young men to be sexist, misogynists,” she says.

Sommers targets groups like the AAUW, the American Association of University Women, and feminist scholars. She says they published a blitz of studies and popular books depicting girls in crisis at precisely the moment when statistics showed girls were catching up to boys or moving past them in most academic areas. Sommers says the efforts on behalf of girls turned into what she calls a war against boys.

“I don't have a war. I am not in favor of saying that girls ought to get anything over boys,” says Jacqueline Woods, president of the AAUW.

Sommers calls the AAUW and other similar organizations the "gender bias industry.” Woods disagrees: “Most people understand that gender equity is about making sure that both boys and girls have equal access to educational opportunities.”

Sommers also accuses women teachers of favoring girls over boys. She says they reward classroom behavior that girls find easier, like sitting still, and punish boys for being, well, boys.

“If boys are obstreperous and high-spirited and competitive, which most of them are, this is seen as behavior which is not tolerated. They see that as an expression of a toxic masculinity,” she says.

Thompson disagrees with this: “I do not think that feminism has ruined the lives of boys.” He blames fathers. “Where are the men? Why aren't men advocating for boys? We know that boys who have fathers who go to PTA meetings, those boys get better grades,” he says. There is a clear correlation when a father's involved, he says.

“If your father only shows up for town soccer and town football and never goes to PTA meetings, well, duh, doesn't take too much to figure out what your father values.”

“Every small town in Texas turns out on Friday night to watch boys play football, and it's lacrosse in Maryland, and it's ice hockey in Minnesota and Massachusetts. Boys are demagogued, but not for their academic work.”

He says that could be fixed in large part if schools recruited more male teachers.

“I had a teacher at my school, and this teacher said, you know, 'I'm the first man they've ever known who liked poetry and taught poetry,' and this man is also their coach,” Thompson says.

At Jefferson Academy in Long Beach, Calif., Franklin Goodman fits this bill. He coaches, and also teaches seventh grade math and science, where the ratio of male to female teachers is 50:50. That's unusual enough, but there's another big difference. During academic periods, the genders are separated, boys in one room and girls in another.

“First of all, there aren't any female distractions for them,” Goodman says. The boys told Stahl that other kids call them 'gay' for going to class with all boys, but they admit it's been good for them. They learn more, they told her, without girls.

The teachers use more physical activity and competition in the all-boy classrooms and tailor the courses to boys' tastes, with more books on topics like war and science fiction.

The school must be doing something right. Test scores for boys have jumped dramatically.

Why aren’t boys’ academic problems a bigger issue? “There's a little cultural secret at work here. Boys go out in the work world and earn more money,” says Thompson. “Nobody wants to admit what's happening, which is, 'You girls work very hard, but sorry, ladies, when you get out there, we're not going to pay you equally. And you boys, it's OK. You can loaf through school. You'll get good jobs afterwards.'”

But, Thompson says, there's going to be a cold shower when the country realizes that women are completely dominating the numbers in professional schools. “We can't have a country of women in white-collar jobs and men in blue-collar jobs. That's not going to be good for this society,” he says.
 
The problem is that society is trying to strip away a man's right to "be a man". In every segment of society, boys/men are being forced to be more sensitive, to share their feelings, to cry, to let the female have her way, etc. IT'S TIME FOR MEN TO BE MEN! I see to many guys let females run their lives, all in order to get some pussy. Thus, these boys and men start following, and thus become, what females have molded and sculpted them into in order to get ass. I REFUSE TO BOW DOWN TO A WOMAN TO GET ASS! I never have, never will. My fiancee knows where I draw the line. My mind leads my life, not my dick. I have seen too many of my friends blow their money on trying to impress bitches, who end up dumping those guys when their money is gone, or they get bored. Isn't it fucked up how modern women expect men to treat them equally in today's society, YET STILL DEMAND THAT MEN TREAT THEM IN WAYS THAT EXISTED DECADES AGO, like paying for dinner/movie?
 
America is a feminised society and most guys i know are very feminised. They just don't behave the way man in Europe do, they are more lady like, sensitive, and poorly educated at the same time. It's a shame for American boys to grow up here. The media is of no help either, it always portrays women as smart, powerfull and in demand, men get portrayed as dumb, slobbish and with a sports habit that borders on disfunction.

I must also state that having lived here for some time, i got a lot of teasing, name calling and was made fun of in a rude manner in high school and my professional place of work for knowing too much and being too well read. While in Poland well read poeple and students are respected by their peers and not referred to as "doctor" or a "smart ass" as a means of mockery.
 
This is a good read from www.t-mag.com


The Man of the Year
by TC


The conversation took place last Tuesday
in the gym when Tim and I were in the
middle of a leg workout. I had just finished
a set of squats and was lying face-up on
the floor trying to catch my breath.

As Tim started to pull what must have
been, oh, ten or fifteen 45-pound plates
off the bar and replace them with a couple
of light and airy donut-shaped pound
cakes so that he could do his set (he
hopes to be up to using real weights in the
next month or two), an idea came to my
oxygen deprived brain.

"Hey Timbo, you know how Time Magazine picks an annual Man of the
Year? Why don't we pick a Testosterone Man of the Year, some famous
person that best personifies what being a man is all about?"

Tim couldn't answer right away because, having judged the pound
cakes as being too heavy, he'd crouched under the bar and started
gnawing on each of them to lighten the load. After gulping down a
couple of fist-sized pieces, he said, "Sure, that's a great idea, but name
me three, or even two candidates."

As easy as it sounded, I couldn’t even think of one! And therein lies the
rub.

What the hell does that say about our society when we can't even think
of a single well-known candidate for Testosterone Man of the Year? And
before you start firing e-mails at me with your suggestions, let's try to
figure out what kind of man would fit the profile.

Radical feminists seem to have a stereotypical viewpoint of masculinity
and manhood. They think manhood, or Testosterone, is best
represented by slack-jawed guys with sloped foreheads and hairy
backs who are monosyllabic and wear "wife beater" T-shirts; guys who
grunt and point when they want something whether it be a salt shaker
or a blowjob (sometimes both, if he thinks the girl prefers salted cock).
And, unfortunately, these are the types of guys who young males think
they have to live up to so that they, too, can be regarded as "real
men."

The feminists and adolescents have got it all wrong. True masculinity
encompasses nothing but desirable qualities (as does true femininity,
but that might be a subject for another column). Masculinity is not
about being like a Neanderthal. Instead, I think a real man has
courage, integrity, and honor. He's intelligent and curious, with ample
amounts of humility and the ability to compromise when necessary. On
those occasions when he's guilty of what the ancient Greeks called
hubris — meaning exaggerated pride, so much so that he thinks he's
god-like — he's quick to realize it and plant his feet more firmly on the
ground. He stands up for the disadvantaged and performs heroic acts
when necessary. He takes risks and seizes opportunities. He's strong,
too, and not just in body but in mind and character.

And, if God, Nature, and genetics conspired against him and
shortchanged him in any one of those areas, he strives to overcome
his shortcomings.

So, despite the numerous references to what's become known as
"Testosterone poisoning" in the press, usually brought up when a man
commits some aggressive or violent crime, Testosterone is what fuels
true masculinity, and it is good.

It's also about sexuality, and that's quite alright. However, nailing as
many chicks as possible doesn't necessarily correlate with masculinity,
or at least our version of it. Sure, masculinity is lustful, but denial also
plays a part in it. I know that sounds strange coming from a major
horn dog like me, but spending all your time satiating your desires, in
effect giving in to every whim of the senses, is actually kind of weak.
It's not too different from sitting there at the candy counter eating
bon-bon after bon-bon, despite security's efforts to drag you out of the
store.

Having a bon-bon or two a day is fine, if you catch my drift, but if you
chase bon-bons to the exclusion of working, reading, hell, breathing,
you ain't got time to fix your shortcomings in other areas.

If you're suddenly put in a position where you have to fend for your life
and civilization is far away, who do you think is going to survive, the
guy who's been a slave to the pleasure centers of his brain all his life
or the guy who's been toughened by a little denial and a little restraint?

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you accept my premise about
what constitutes a man. Who then, fits the bill?

In the past it seemed to be far easier to find real men. I don't
necessarily think that "they just don't make 'em like they used to,"
when it comes to men, but that the advent of television and 24-news
reporting has made it a lot harder to find modern heroes that might
qualify as definitive men. For instance, while we might have, in earlier
generations, put certain political figures on pedestals, now we see them
on the 5 o'clock news tripping as they come off an airplane or hitting
someone on the head with an errant golf stroke. Hell, it won't be long
before an ever-present video camera captures a President coming out
of the can with his pants around his ankles, a length of toilet paper
dragging behind him, and a stroke mag clutched in his sweaty hand.

All that exposure shows them for what they are. Suddenly, these
potential heroes became flawed. They became ordinary.

And really, how can a politician be a candidate for Testosterone Man of
the Year anyhow? A politician, for the most part, never really speaks
his true mind because if he did, he'd automatically alienate or piss off
50% of his constituency and fail to be reelected. Maybe you saw future
Governor of California, Arnold Schwarzeneggar on the Super Bowl
pre-game last Sunday. The female reporter asked Arnold who he
thought would win the game. Rather than give a straight answer, he
shifted into Austrian-American politicalese:

"Ja, I like da' Raiders, but da' Buccaneers are like ah Cinderella team
becuss dey have come out of novhere, but den again da' Raiders are a
fine team vit many fine qualities, and of course so are da' Buccaneers,
and both teams have many fine African Amerikan players but also
some vhite guys, and of course, I like Afrikan Amerikans like dat
Varren Sapp, but dat's not to say I don't like vhite guys, too, like dat
Romanowski, who is a lot like da Turminator, the turd version of which
will be released dis July to a theater near you…."

Arnold, I love ya', but shut the fuck up!

Besides, most politicians have the intellect of canned hams. Remember
the late Sonny Bono, Congressman Sonny Bono? Or for that matter,
consider half the Bozos currently representing us, people whose
capabilities would be stretched to the limit if they were middle
managers at Woolworth's.

And as long as we've touched on sports with Arnold's pre-Super Bowl
statement, professional athletes are also generally pretty poor
candidates for Testosterone Man of the Year. While they're often strong
and often display certain heroic qualities on the playing field, many are
weak minded and immature. Because of their talents, people have
always tolerated their adolescent behavior from day one and thus the
majority of them never grew up.

Movie stars aren't much different in their lack of qualifications. Too
many times, people confuse TV and movie actors with the characters
they play. Pierce Brosnan, a.k.a. James Bond, couldn't throw a hard
punch if the fate of the free world depended on it. Pasty-faced "web
slinger" Tobey McGuire — who'd be more at home playing Potsie in a
remake of Happy Days — can't open a jar of grocery store pickles, let
alone hurl steel girders. Matt Damon of Good Will Hunting wouldn't
stand a chance of figuring out Fermat's Last Theorem in real life, and
Brad McPherson, who plays Dr. Colby Swanson on The Bold and the
Beautiful, can't lance a boil on a wino's ass, let alone do brain surgery…
not that a real man watches that soap opera stuff, no way.

Interestingly enough, if a few of those characters really did exist, they
might qualify for Testosterone Man of the year… well, maybe not Dr.
Swanson, but you know what I mean. It seems that true men are more
likely to be found in the minds and imagination of screenwriters than
they are in real life.

Of course, making the decision to be a real man — if it really is a
decision — isn't easy. After all, society doesn't particularly care for the
masculine ideal… unless the monsters have come and they need to be
rescued.

Consider that most women don't really gravitate toward real men.
Instead, they like men to be like them, eager to shop, share their
feelings, and who aren't the least bit aggressive. In fact, if hobbits
were a little bigger and had their toes waxed and manicured, they'd do
just great with the women.

Interestingly, women who are ovulating seem to be more interested in
traditional "real men." From an evolutionary standpoint, this seems to
make perfect sense. A strong, healthy man has fine healthy qualities to
pass onto his offspring. However, he's not always as likely to be the
warm, weepy-eyed snuggle bunny when it comes to raising the child.
As such, many women like men who are slightly less masculine when
they're not ovulating. That makes perfect sense, too, as a slightly less
masculine man is less likely to have a roving eye and has a better
chance of staying home to change diapers and work on refurbishing
the nest instead of going out to womanize. (Obviously, there are
millions of exceptions to the rule, ballsy men who've made great
fathers, but you get my point.)

Maybe this is why women often say that the best looking men are gay.
Well, maybe it's not necessarily a gay man's looks that appeal to
women, but some of the more stereotypic personality traits (sensitivity,
an eagerness to shop, and a dazzling fashion sense). And again, that's
certainly not to say a gay man can't be a "real man." We're again
talking in generalities here.

Anyhow, as such, the real man sometimes feels a little bit uneasy
because his true nature is often at odds with what women really want.
He's aggressive, but they want passive. He keeps his feelings to
himself, but they want someone "in touch" with his feelings. He craves
action, but they want someone to wallpaper the baby's room. As such,
he's often lonely, or at the very least misunderstood by his wife or
girlfriend.

I think it's clear that "real men" are a rare breed, rarer than a Hell's
Angel tattoo on a Catholic schoolgirl's ass. And it's unlikely that many
— if any — famous person qualifies for the title of Testosterone Man of
the Year. Still, I'm sure our man's out there somewhere. He's probably
a regular guy with an ordinary job, a guy you want around if some shit
came down; a guy who's regarded by his friends as confident, strong,
smart, and in general, someone who won't let you down.

It could even be you.
 
Remember to encourage your sister to go out their and kick some ass and not to shy away from jobs that might be male dominated.
 
Big whup. With the shrinking of the middle class this is a good thing. Now i can marry a woman (if such a thing is possible) who pulls her own weight. Fuck, i might even get to be the house husband. Watching Dr. Phil and eating Domino's pizza while the wife is busy at work. Good for me.
 
mike79 said:
The problem is that society is trying to strip away a man's right to "be a man". In every segment of society, boys/men are being forced to be more sensitive, to share their feelings, to cry, to let the female have her way, etc. IT'S TIME FOR MEN TO BE MEN! I see to many guys let females run their lives, all in order to get some pussy. Thus, these boys and men start following, and thus become, what females have molded and sculpted them into in order to get ass. I REFUSE TO BOW DOWN TO A WOMAN TO GET ASS! I never have, never will. My fiancee knows where I draw the line. My mind leads my life, not my dick. I have seen too many of my friends blow their money on trying to impress bitches, who end up dumping those guys when their money is gone, or they get bored. Isn't it fucked up how modern women expect men to treat them equally in today's society, YET STILL DEMAND THAT MEN TREAT THEM IN WAYS THAT EXISTED DECADES AGO, like paying for dinner/movie?

Ummmm, chicks can seduce me pretty easily. They are masters at seducing men. I can put up a pretty good fight and stay mentally strong but eventually they win because the force is strong with them. Of course I have my limitations too.

It would be nice if women weren't materialistic and once in a while they payed for going out.
 
maybe its a wake-up call for those of us who may not be living up to our natural potential to kick our goals into high gear and apply ourselves much more dilligently to our education?

I mean, women HAVE been at the lower end of the food chain socially, economically, educationally, and legally for most of human history. I'm not saying this to win friends or make enemies, but it's a fact that cannot be denied and not one that should fill us with shame or contempt, but rather an open challenge to those of us who have the guts to accept it....

I truly believe we should all continue our education, and not only in school, but in life. I applaud the fact that women are achieving so well, but am not threatened by it because when you honestly try your hardest, you have nothing to be concerned about....

I have female classmates at the college i attend and it still amazes me how they will forsake everything for their education (don't drink, don't party, don't spend, study study study) when even i who consider myself rather disciplined and with good grades, tend to party every once in a while ......

I don't believe it has as much to do with feminization of the man as much as it simply has to do with the fact that maybe the output of your average male is not the same as the output of the average female anymore.....

a challenge, to improve is what i see it ....
 
Supposedly, the way knowledge is taught at schools is more suited for girls than for boys.
Boys want more movement and want the whole thing to have some direct advantage for them.
When i read that i could understand well, much of the bs i have to learn is totally useless and i find myself not wanting to know it and have my mind wander of.
Girls are supposedly better suited for the way that in schools is taught.
 
nordstrom said:
Big whup. With the shrinking of the middle class this is a good thing. Now i can marry a woman (if such a thing is possible) who pulls her own weight. Fuck, i might even get to be the house husband. Watching Dr. Phil and eating Domino's pizza while the wife is busy at work. Good for me.

If it was really that easy men would have been doing it a long time ago. Truth is, it is way easier to leave the house never having to give a second thought to your family while simply earning a paycheck, then returning home TO REST FROM YOUR "HARD DAY'S WORK". Staying home, working 24/7, getting very little respect and ZERO PAY SUCKS ASS... Not to mention the fact that many get educations or at least training in their chosen professions. There is no handbook on parenting. Couple this with sleep deprivation and raging hormones....

FUN, FUN, FUN.

No offense fellas. Women have to bust their asses twice as hard to get half as far as men. It is only noticeable NOW that we have caught up and surpassed our male counterparts?

Perhaps if everybody stopped pointing the finger at "the other gender" and assumed personal responsibility there would not even be need for discussing such a topic.

Am I teaching my daughters the value of an education and hard work? BETTER FREAKING BELIEVE IT!

...but I would do no different, if I had sons.

It isn't about what is taught in school. I believe that it is more about what is taught at home. My daughters are being taught that there is no goal that is not within their reach IF THEY STAY IN SCHOOL AND GET AN EDUCATION and of course, because they are smart and because I KNOW THEY CAN BE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO BE.
 
bikinimom said:
Am I teaching my daughters the value of an education and hard work? BETTER FREAKING BELIEVE IT!

...but I would do no different, if I had sons.

It isn't about what is taught in school. I believe that it is more about what is taught at home. My daughters are being taught that there is no goal that is not within their reach IF THEY STAY IN SCHOOL AND GET AN EDUCATION and of course, because they are smart and because I KNOW THEY CAN BE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO BE.

Like B-mom says, she would do no different with boys or girls. That is great. I think this is exactly what we need to teach ALL our children - boys and girls. Teaching at an at-risk school shows me that. Many children - of both genders - are not told they are smart, are not given guidance at home. In my class, out of 17 students, 4 of the parents are incarcerated for various offenses. Sometimes a teacher is the only one around to tell a child theycan do anything theywant. Very sad.
 
mike79 said:
The problem is that society is trying to strip away a man's right to "be a man". In every segment of society, boys/men are being forced to be more sensitive, to share their feelings, to cry, to let the female have her way, etc. IT'S TIME FOR MEN TO BE MEN! I see to many guys let females run their lives, all in order to get some pussy. Thus, these boys and men start following, and thus become, what females have molded and sculpted them into in order to get ass. I REFUSE TO BOW DOWN TO A WOMAN TO GET ASS! I never have, never will. My fiancee knows where I draw the line. My mind leads my life, not my dick. I have seen too many of my friends blow their money on trying to impress bitches, who end up dumping those guys when their money is gone, or they get bored. Isn't it fucked up how modern women expect men to treat them equally in today's society, YET STILL DEMAND THAT MEN TREAT THEM IN WAYS THAT EXISTED DECADES AGO, like paying for dinner/movie?


I definitely owe you some green bro, great post
 
Many women work harder , good luck to 'em. But also there is a lot of truth to the argument that to be a man is a major millstone - just look at "Sex in the City" , a positive portrayal of four hos who go out and get laid every weekend . Let's take that idea and try and imagine a male-oriented version: Four guys (all cool/successful) who discuss at length the pussies of their various women blah blah every day with the main female character called "Ms. Tight" , oh yeah , can u really see that happenin ?, and that's the truth , women today can fart around in an office and if their boss who happens to be a male gives them shit , it's because they're a woman , sorry but I've seen it happen. I used to bounce and same was true , you could beat the hell outta the guys but unless you got a kick square in the rocks you couldn't touch any bitch , even when she was throwin glasses. And they wonder why Western society is gettin overthrown by the Chinese.....
 
Mandinka2 said:
Many women work harder , good luck to 'em. But also there is a lot of truth to the argument that to be a man is a major millstone - just look at "Sex in the City" , a positive portrayal of four hos who go out and get laid every weekend . Let's take that idea and try and imagine a male-oriented version: Four guys (all cool/successful) who discuss at length the pussies of their various women blah blah every day with the main female character called "Ms. Tight" , oh yeah , can u really see that happenin ?, and that's the truth , women today can fart around in an office and if their boss who happens to be a male gives them shit , it's because they're a woman , sorry but I've seen it happen. I used to bounce and same was true , you could beat the hell outta the guys but unless you got a kick square in the rocks you couldn't touch any bitch , even when she was throwin glasses. And they wonder why Western society is gettin overthrown by the Chinese.....

I don't have cable TV and ahve never seen a singular episode of Sex in the City, Oz, The Sopranos, etc. So perhaps maybe that is why I don't share this point of view. :D

Also, in regards to violence, I wouldn't raise my hand to a man (or a glass LOL) because I would expect to get squarely hit in the face. I am not an animal, but a human being so I try to use my language skills instead of fighting as I don't have a violent bone in my body. Doesn't make me better or worse. That is just how I am.

Seriously though, no one is denying that we are not treated differently based on our gender because WE ARE. But, as I said, if more people took the time to treat THEIR CHILDREN (no gender bias) to succeed then perhaps we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Maybe I am just a little too simple....
 
bikinimom said:


I don't have cable TV and ahve never seen a singular episode of Sex in the City, Oz, The Sopranos, etc. So perhaps maybe that is why I don't share this point of view. :D

Also, in regards to violence, I wouldn't raise my hand to a man (or a glass LOL) because I would expect to get squarely hit in the face. I am not an animal, but a human being so I try to use my language skills instead of fighting as I don't have a violent bone in my body. Doesn't make me better or worse. That is just how I am.

Seriously though, no one is denying that we are not treated differently based on our gender because WE ARE. But, as I said, if more people took the time to treat THEIR CHILDREN (no gender bias) to succeed then perhaps we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Maybe I am just a little too simple....
Hello BMOM , while your reply is honourable in that it reflects upon yourself the question concerns society , I'm sure that you've seen plenty of women behave in a certain fashion because they can get away with it , like I said ,more power to women , they work harder in school no question , but society has basically been sayin to boys since the 80s "Men are shit" , take a quick look at the film "Magnolia" , there's a great scene in it where Cruise compares society's perception of men and women. Personally I have a Mom too , she's great and all that and I love women but fuck me I'd hate to be a frightened litle boy again fearing that I'd grow up to be some ogre all the time.
 
I don't have sons so to be honest I don't know if I can reply in a satsifactory fashion. But my sister has two sons and a daughter and she admits that the boys behave differently than her daughter. She says that the boys are "simpler". Not that they are less smart (they are extremely bright) but that they process information differently and it is much easier to "deal with" or "handle" them. Whereas there is a tremendous amount of mental effort that goes into handling her daughter.

I have to put an extreme amount of mental effort into my girls.

Gosh, if I had a dime for every time my sister called me having been reduced to a mass of rubble by one 4 year old little girl LOL (It started before she turned 2!).... and the answer seemed "simple" to me as I had already had four of my own to break me in!

I will admit that women are treated differently than men. And while sometimes it is in our favor, more often times than not - IT ISN'T MORE FAVORABLE.

Ultimately all one can do (I believe) to change society is to change ourselves and how we conduct our lives and treat people and ESPECIALLY by how we raise our children. If one does NOT have children of their own, still MANY young lives can be affected by the example of ONE EXCELLENT ADULT ROLE MODEL. The gender is unimportant. It is the content of that person's character that IS.
 
mike79 said:
The problem is that society is trying to strip away a man's right to "be a man". In every segment of society, boys/men are being forced to be more sensitive, to share their feelings, to cry, to let the female have her way, etc. IT'S TIME FOR MEN TO BE MEN! I see to many guys let females run their lives, all in order to get some pussy. Thus, these boys and men start following, and thus become, what females have molded and sculpted them into in order to get ass. I REFUSE TO BOW DOWN TO A WOMAN TO GET ASS! I never have, never will. My fiancee knows where I draw the line. My mind leads my life, not my dick. I have seen too many of my friends blow their money on trying to impress bitches, who end up dumping those guys when their money is gone, or they get bored. Isn't it fucked up how modern women expect men to treat them equally in today's society, YET STILL DEMAND THAT MEN TREAT THEM IN WAYS THAT EXISTED DECADES AGO, like paying for dinner/movie?

Bump for Mike. Green for you.
 
One of the biggest contributors to this recent "female success" phenomenon is BIRTH CONTROL. While it's given women access to better jobs, it's given men access to more sex.

Before reliable birth control, both men and women had to be more selective. A woman didn't want the burden of raising a child alone, nor did a man want the risk of supporting another man's child.

But I don't think boys are in any grave danger. They still make more money than women for the same job. (Nor do they ever have to have a menstrual period or give birth. Besides, their bodies make 10X the testosterone that women do - anything a guy can do in the gym, a woman has to work 10x harder :bawling: )

Anyone who wants to succeed will succeed in spite of their gender, race, etc. This is one of those pot-stirring topics the news media likes to shock us with since they've completely numbed our senses with their endless teasers about terrorist threats around every corner.
 
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