This is my first cycle-critique, please

[Recruit]

test-enanthate 600mg wk 1-10
nolva on hand - clomid on hand
6' 230lbs.-29yrs. old

Been working out for 10 yrs., off and on. Currently benching 425lbs. and squatting 545lbs. I have come to a standstill, but do not want to over do it on my first cycle. Haven't checked bf for a while, but my diet has been good for the last 3 months. Protein shakes, oatmeal, chicken, veggies, plenty of the essiential fats, ect. Last I checked bf it 14%, around 6 months ago.
Any suggestions?

 

[Recruit]

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[bigcountry61]

looks good. nice lifts by the way. i would run some adex .5 ed to control bloat. may add some d-bol to jumpstart cycle 1-4 weeks 30 mgs ed. use nolva only if gyno appears and use clomid for pct maybe throw some HCG in there somewhere.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

do a quick search on low dose testosterone cycles and the sorts of results people got from them. youve built your body using endogenously produced test at a rate of a whopping 70mg or so per week - please explain the rationale behind your decision to go from 70mg per week to 600mg per week as opposed to, say, 250mg per week.

cheers

 

[TracDT1]

looks good. nice lifts by the way. i would run some adex .5 ed to control bloat. may add some d-bol to jumpstart cycle 1-4 weeks 30 mgs ed. use nolva only if gyno appears and use clomid for pct maybe throw some HCG in there somewhere.

What up BigCountry

 

[JuicedAthletics]

yea bro.. 600 is too much for a first cycle.. that doesnt leave much room to go up for your next runs... your body will explode with around 400mg per week... i would try and shoot for that number...
weeks 1-8 enanthate or cyp 250mg e4d
run .5 mg arimidex ED to get rid of bloat....

PCT 10 days after last shot...
day 1 300clomid, 40 novaldex
day 2-14 100 clomid, 30 novaldex
15-30 50clomid 20 novaldex.. those are all in mg's of course... good luck.!!!

 

[Ulter]

Sorry I can't agree with these gentlemen. .5mg of Arimidex is woefully inadequate for 600mg of test. You should be using either AIFM or Aromasin. If you use AIFM you should use that all the way through your pct.

 

[Bigredcanecorso]

I would jumpstart it with d-bols too, but I would do 50mg ed, although the back pumps really sucked for me so I use T-bols instead, maybe just go with 400 mg test e, nice lifts too bro

 

[maldorf]

yea bro.. 600 is too much for a first cycle.. that doesnt leave much room to go up for your next runs... your body will explode with around 400mg per week... i would try and shoot for that number...
weeks 1-8 enanthate or cyp 250mg e4d
run .5 mg arimidex ED to get rid of bloat....

PCT 10 days after last shot...
day 1 300clomid, 40 novaldex
day 2-14 100 clomid, 30 novaldex
15-30 50clomid 20 novaldex.. those are all in mg's of course... good luck.!!!

this sounds like a good plan to me. Just let it be known that it will take at least 2 weeks or so before the test really kicks in, so dont be tempted to up the dosage thinking you need more.

 

[bigcountry61]

What up Trac !!!

.5mgs adex ed worked great for me and i was doin 625 mgs ew of test e.
50 mgs of d-bol is alot !!! 30-40mgs should be good. i gues 400 mgs would be
sufficient.use aifm instead of adex if u want it is a great product.

 

[steelmass]

Sorry I can't agree with these gentlemen. .5mg of Arimidex is woefully inadequate for 600mg of test. You should be using either AIFM or Aromasin. If you use AIFM you should use that all the way through your pct.

You couldn't be more correct. The people that use .5mg Adex and get away with it probably barely needed any AI whatsoever. If you are succeptable to bloat then go AIFM/Aromasin. Also if you are running an AI throughout then use 500 HCG once weekly for the 10 weeks and then 3x the last week and your testicular function will be good to go. Hit up nolva/clomid for 3-4 weeks and ur done.

 

[steelmass]

do a quick search on low dose testosterone cycles and the sorts of results people got from them. youve built your body using endogenously produced test at a rate of a whopping 70mg or so per week - please explain the rationale behind your decision to go from 70mg per week to 600mg per week as opposed to, say, 250mg per week.

cheers

Let me start by saying I agree with you, however another school of thought says that if you are going to shut yourself down then make the most gains possible in that amount of time. Its all up to his goals. If he is looking for 20+ lbs kept then he can't go in the 250-300 range.

 

[Papa Lion]

first off I wouldn't bother with 250 pw you'll be tipping the balanced scales in your body for not much results... I'd go at 500 mg pw... an a 10 week cycle should be good, I like adex .5 mg ed but have also used proviron with good results!! it's good ya got the nolva on hand as you don't yet really know if you are prone to gyno... what are you doing for PCT??? because IMHO it's equally as important as your cycle and pretty much a waste of time, money, and effort if you don't do PCT!!

btw I've run Sust 750 mg pw 13 wk along side 300-400 mg Tren for last 6 weeks, and .5 adex pd was plenty for me even at that dose... anti-e's should be used sparingly and at a light a dose as you can get aways with!!! every body is different personally I would start out with .5 eod and if you start retaining water up it to .5 ed... good luck bro!! AND WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE we got another one!!! MUUHAHAHA!!! (best impression of evil chinese laugh!!)


~Papa Lion~

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Let me start by saying I agree with you, however another school of thought says that if you are going to shut yourself down then make the most gains possible in that amount of time. Its all up to his goals. If he is looking for 20+ lbs kept then he can't go in the 250-300 range.

true enough, although one would have to consider that the lean mass gain from the extra 350mg (which will likely be a handful of pounds of lean tissue) is offset by the dose related side effects that come to the fore when you start getting into the 500mg+ range.

HPTA shutdown is a non dose related side effect. prostate issues, DHT issues, hair issues, skin issues, cardiovascular issues, receptor sensitivity issues - all of these will worsen as dose goes up.

returns, on the other hand, are not directly correllated with dose. optimisation of dose vs returns in the context of sides is largely overlooked in this community

 

[Behemoth]

When you are looking at this cycle....

This brother is already a monster.

His diet is pretty clean. His work ethic is good.

He sniffs O-Ring but other then that....

 

[Recruit]

When you are looking at this cycle....

This brother is already a monster.

His diet is pretty clean. His work ethic is good.

He sniffs O-Ring but other then that....

Hey, Cracksmacker...the only O-Ring I sniff is my old ladies. No wonder needto dropped a bomb on yo ass!!

 

[Apexx]

First cycle, definitely drop down the test. You have no idea how ur going to react to it. 250-500 mg's per week at most. You might get everything you want from a lower dose with less sides.

This is not going to be your only cycle. If you think it is, you're kidding yourself. Those who have been doing this for a while with little or no adverse effects to their body have done so because they were smart. They've experimented cautiously and built on that knowledge for future cycles.

 

[Recruit]

Thanks for all the great advice. Got aromison on the way...probably drop the test down to 400-500ew.

 

[bigcountry61]

Thanks for all the great advice. Got aromison on the way...probably drop the test down to 400-500ew.

sounds good....

 

[fcfmuaythai]

I would agree to use 350-500 for your first time. I'm way past my first cycle and I still don't use 600mg of test per week, although I do realize that every body is different. Good luck!

 

[Apexx]

Thanks for all the great advice. Got aromison on the way...probably drop the test down to 400-500ew.

ATTA BOY!! Someone's actually not getting pissed off and listening to good advise for a change.

K to you bro.

 

[Recruit]

I would agree to use 350-500 for your first time. I'm way past my first cycle and I still don't use 600mg of test per week, although I do realize that every body is different. Good luck!

Thanks. Are you a fighter? I'm a big fan of the UFC & PRIDE. Been a while, but I used to fight a little myself.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Thanks for all the great advice. Got aromison on the way...probably drop the test down to 400-500ew.

no offense but youve still got stars in your eyes. objectively, why not 250mg?

i love the way numbers creep up...and up...and up in the roid world

you might be big already but thats irrelevent from a pharmacological point of view

cheers

 

[Behemoth]

WTF...I still didnt deserve that bomb...

You will be fine at 500 mg...

Thats what I ran my first cycle and I definitely hadnt put in the preparation that you have. You have PCT and Anti-E's on hand.

Everything's good...just try to keep up with me in the gym...

AIGHT!!!!

 

[Recruit]

WTF...I still didnt deserve that bomb...

You will be fine at 500 mg...

Thats what I ran my first cycle and I definitely hadnt put in the preparation that you have. You have PCT and Anti-E's on hand.

Everything's good...just try to keep up with me in the gym...

AIGHT!!!!

On bp or bf?

 

[Recruit]

Okay, how about running test @ 300 ew 1-10? I'm trying to get this perfect because it may be my first cycle, but it's definetely not going to be my last. Thats why I went with something simple.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

it would be unethical of me to approve of a cycle, but i know several greek bodybuilders (roids are legit over there) who use 250mg a week for about 10 weeks at a time and have physiques that would make almost this entire board look silly....and not just for their first cycle. 250mg a week is what they use for their 10th.

 

[Recruit]

it would be unethical of me to approve of a cycle, but i know several greek bodybuilders (roids are legit over there) who use 250mg a week for about 10 weeks at a time and have physiques that would make almost this entire board look silly....and not just for their first cycle. 250mg a week is what they use for their 10th.

Will 50mg make much of a difference. I can't really run 250mg with the dosages I have. It would have to be 200 or 300.

 

[Papa Lion]

First cycle, definitely drop down the test. You have no idea how ur going to react to it. 250-500 mg's per week at most. You might get everything you want from a lower dose with less sides.

This is not going to be your only cycle. If you think it is, you're kidding yourself. Those who have been doing this for a while with little or no adverse effects to their body have done so because they were smart. They've experimented cautiously and built on that knowledge for future cycles.

well said!!!! but I'd personally go with the 500.... if ya hang out at Muscle Talk which is based in the UK where gear is legal... the standard advice is a 10 week cycle at 500mg pw for a first cycle... but to each his own and it is always best to play on safe side, especially with gear... so go with what you feel comfortable with but keep in mind if you're gona shut your system down and tip the scales... get the most you can out of it... and IMHO 500mg pw is not too much but a good dose for a first cycle!!

btw what's your pct look like???.... do you have hcg??? ya said ya have clomid and nolva... but hcg should be in there between your last shot and ending about 7-10 days prior to pct I prefer 500IU's pd post cycle prior to pct... and I also use it mid-cycle for a couple weeks at the same dose!!.... I don't know if ya already have that info... but I figured I'd toss it out there!!

~Papa Lion~