This is a fucked up disturbing video. If you still shop at J.Crew after this...

[StickFigure]

That one slipped under the radar until you pointed it out.

I had to put it in my signature....lol

K to you.

OMG!!! ROFLMAO!!!! Cotton from sheep!

 

[samoth]

I never understood how these threads get so long, or how some people can hold such close-minded and bigoted opinions. Just like religious threads.

You're doing the same thing from a different perspective. But let's pretend you're not, just to keep the thread interesting.

Biggotry is being close-minded to other's opinions, or to the whole. I disagree that my statements were such.

Morals -- what is "right" -- is dictated by the society.

No, it's not. "Society" as an entity does not accrue any special abilities or rights or responsibilities - it is just a collection of individuals. Surely you'd agree that individuals in groups large and small are capable of being completely wrongheaded, incorrect and just plain stupid. Societies of massive brutality have existed; brutality was what the society dictated, and the members did not disappoint. At no point was it right merely because it was the dictate of society. At that point, you're essentially arguing either (1) might makes right or (2) conformity is good. Either is laughable.
Society might dictate what is required for continued acceptance, but at no point does that imply right-ness.

lol, a thorough discussion/argument of ethics, moral, and society covers a good half of the subject of philosophy. I'm in no condition to do this without quite a bit of time and research referencing, eg., Mill's or Kant's numerous works. But I will agree that it is a subject that can be argued well from several sides.

In brief, I'll offer this: do we have free will? If so, there exists the coice of what is moral. From there I would use arguments involving society, but you seem to question the definition of society. So I wiki'd "society" to look at the definitions, and still disagree with you under the broad definition.

What you seem to be implying by "At no point was it right merely because it was the dictate of society" is some sort of moral absolutism, which is exactly what I am arguing against primarily upon the premise of free will.

So, like I was saying before, morals - society - free will, this is what this thread and OP are about, not animals, or furs, or hamburgers. Those discussions, while interesting, do nothing to analyze or maek an attempt to resolve the issue at hand. EF ain't really much a board for those topics, though, with an average post length of probably a dozen words, lol.

There does not exist any universal moral "right" or "wrong". People argue this stuff like it's a unique or special issue, eg. the topic of this thread, but in reality it's a quite broad category in philosophy that's been argued for millenia.

You're essentially saying "everything is relative". But if you believe that, then relativism is actually an absolute...so everything is not relative.

Petitio principii, I wouldn't expect that from you.

The dedicated protester is just as "right" as the fur-wearing meat eater.

By definiton, then, just as wrong.

Agreed. That's correct. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

 

[Phaded]

 

[blut wump]

I don't see why everyone is so hung up on those cotton-picking sheep. I guess if you want to get down from a tree you wait for a duck to perch in it, which could take a while.

 

[Razorguns]

Yeah yeah,

Everyone needs to take a timeout and signup on the Elite Fitness Map!

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432642

 

[Style]

China sucks ass.

 

[Hiatussin]

Why should some animals have rights but not others? What about sewer rats? roaches? mice? Misquito´s... Gonorrhea?

Where do you draw the line and why? In practise what it usually just comes down to is that people whine about any animal that happens to have big brown eyes just because they associate it with human kindness and innocence. It´s no basis for legislation or morality. It´s a feeling that makes no sense.

 

[sorerotators]

Should animals be treated more humanely? Yes. Do I have a problem with wearing fur, eating meat, etc.? NO

J.Crew makes there clothes in countries where dog & cat are eaten. Hence, using dog & cat fur is seen as the norm. Also, it is cheap for business. If they were using mink, would people cry. Would a thread have been created? (Oh, and BTW, Yes, I am a Republican).

No one complains about the animals used in laboratories to test medicine that will benefit them. How come one animal is cried for and others aren't?

You can't have it both ways. You can't get on your soapbox and cry for the dogs & cats and then wear your leather coat to work. Don't cry for the cats & dogs and go ooohh and ahhh over Diamonds that some 12 y.o. boy was maimed for because he didn't work fast enough at some mine in Sierra Leone. Don't cry for the cats & dogs and walk by a homeless person and not give them a few dollars. Don't cry for the cats & dogs and go I love that Ivory (whatever) and not shed a tear for the elephants poached in Africa.

nice post!

 

[tiger88]

i dont like j crew stuff (kinda boring) but they shouldnt attack them as a company...

peta ppl are nuts


interesting shit here

once the cool bro from the netherlands get another hole in one

 

[sorerotators]

Why should some animals have rights but not others? What about sewer rats? roaches? mice? Misquito´s... Gonorrhea?

Where do you draw the line and why? In practise what it usually just comes down to is that people whine about any animal that happens to have big brown eyes just because they associate it with human kindness and innocence. It´s no basis for legislation or morality. It´s a feeling that makes no sense.

yep. film ANY animal being killed. take your little video camera to any kill floor/slaughter house. the same people living in lala land will be up in arms. it will outrage people.

guess what. this is how nature works, has always worked and will forever work.