Third Cycle Thoughts

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I won't be starting until January, but I am trying to figure out what to do now.

My PRELIMINARY idea is for this:

Week 1-10 Sust250 @500mg/week
Week 1-10 EQ @400mg /week
Week 1-5 Dbol @30mg/day
Week 7-13 Winny@50mg/day

Begin PCT after last day of week 13, which will consist of Nolva@25mg/day and Clomid@150mg/day.

Also, I plan on using HCG for a few week at the end, to get the boys ready for PCT.

This seems like a lot of gear to me, but my first cycle was:

Week 1-10 Deca @300mg/week
Week 1-4, 10-13 Dbol@25mg/week

And my second was:

Week 1-10 Deca @400mg/week
Week 1-4 Dbol@30mg/day
Week 7-13 Winny@50mg/day.

 

[AMGETR]

Looks good.

 

[mikebzt]

Looks good. Its not a lot of gear.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Looks good. Its not a lot of gear.

Looks like a lot of gear to me, but hey, to each his own.

 

[season7445]

I like it a lot. Maybe does the EQ up to 600 mg/w is you have enough of it.

 

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Thanks for the replies, bros. I gave Karma where I could, but I have to spread it around before I give it to Amgetr or Mikebzt. Sorry guys.

I am really looking forward to this cycle, and I am glad it is meeting with general approval.

 

[NaturalOnlyAtBirth]

Have you run EQ before? It definetely takes awhile to start showing results, maybe consider keeping it at 400mg a week but run it for 12-14 weeks instead.

 

[jbradley2093]

How were your results on the first 2 "non test" cycles? Also, how was your sex drive?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Have you run EQ before? It definetely takes awhile to start showing results, maybe consider keeping it at 400mg a week but run it for 12-14 weeks instead.

He should be fine. The eq should be at a reasonable level in his bloodstream by the time he comes off the dbol. The sust has 60 mg of prop per week, which will hit him fast. It takes a good 2 weeks before the prop and dbol will supress his htpa, and by then two of the other esters in the sustanon will be contributing signifigantly to his blood serum test levels. I would continue the winstrol up to week 4 though, because it will take the eq, and test decoanate in the sustanon a month to taper down due to the long-chain esters. By running the winstrol up till then, it will allow an immediate drop in synthetic androgens that are suppresing htpa and allow for more effective PCT, and will help solidify the gains more at the end of the cycle. Both will help retain the gains from the cycle.

I still hold that you doses are twice what they really need to be, but to each his own.

 

[hammertime30]

I won't be starting until January, but I am trying to figure out what to do now.

My PRELIMINARY idea is for this:

Week 1-10 Sust250 @500mg/week
Week 1-10 EQ @400mg /week
Week 1-5 Dbol @30mg/day
Week 7-13 Winny@50mg/day

Begin PCT after last day of week 13, which will consist of Nolva@25mg/day and Clomid@150mg/day.

Also, I plan on using HCG for a few week at the end, to get the boys ready for PCT.

This seems like a lot of gear to me, but my first cycle was:

Week 1-10 Deca @300mg/week
Week 1-4, 10-13 Dbol@25mg/week

And my second was:

Week 1-10 Deca @400mg/week
Week 1-4 Dbol@30mg/day
Week 7-13 Winny@50mg/day.

Get some arimidex and run HCG throughout your cycle....don't wait for your boys to shrink just to have to work them back up to size....it's better to keep them nice and full so you can recover faster.......If this is your first time using EQ, don't expect the same results as with deca...you need to run EQ for a good 14 weeks for the extra 2-3lbs of muscle....

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Get some arimidex and run HCG throughout your cycle....don't wait for your boys to shrink just to have to work them back up to size....it's better to keep them nice and full so you can recover faster.......If this is your first time using EQ, don't expect the same results as with deca...you need to run EQ for a good 14 weeks for the extra 2-3lbs of muscle....

If he cut the doses back he would not have to worry about the boys shrinking, need the HCG (fuck putting that into my body... I'm too sensitive to estragen... HCG on cycle would be gyno-city for me... I've never used it) or other such things. Cycle and high doses are the primary cause of testicular atrophy. I've been on for 18 months straight, have a handful of nutts, and shoot over 2 tbs of cum sometimes without HCG. Most guys I know who stay on year round on low doses report the same thing. No testicular atrophy.

 

[Redux]

How were your results on the first 2 "non test" cycles? Also, how was your sex drive?

I was satisfied with the results of both of my non-test cycles. Sex drive was a little depressed after this second one, but nothing major.

 

[Redux]

Have you run EQ before? It definetely takes awhile to start showing results, maybe consider keeping it at 400mg a week but run it for 12-14 weeks instead.

I have heard that about EQ, and conisdered longer, but with the long esters, that actually translates to 15-17 weeks, and that just strikes me as too long for me to be running these dosages.

 

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He should be fine. The eq should be at a reasonable level in his bloodstream by the time he comes off the dbol. The sust has 60 mg of prop per week, which will hit him fast. It takes a good 2 weeks before the prop and dbol will supress his htpa, and by then two of the other esters in the sustanon will be contributing signifigantly to his blood serum test levels. I would continue the winstrol up to week 4 though, because it will take the eq, and test decoanate in the sustanon a month to taper down due to the long-chain esters. By running the winstrol up till then, it will allow an immediate drop in synthetic androgens that are suppresing htpa and allow for more effective PCT, and will help solidify the gains more at the end of the cycle. Both will help retain the gains from the cycle.

I still hold that you doses are twice what they really need to be, but to each his own.

Did you mean to say run the winny till week 14? I am guessing that is what you meant, as I won't be running it before week 4. And it does sound like a good idea to stretch it out for a full month after the last shot before PCT. I will probably go with that.

Also, when you say my proposed dosages are high, can you be a little more specific? I think my winny and Dbol dosages are pretty standard, and I thought I was running EQ at close to its minimum effective dosage by going 400mg/week.

If you are talking about the test, I know what you mean, and I was thinking the same thing. That is about the only thing I would change on this one. What would you recommend? 250/week? 375/week?

And thanks for all the input, BBF.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I think you could get by on 250 mg of test, 200-300 mg of eq, with the dbol and winstrol at the doses you are using.

 

[Lowest]

I like it myself. You have to remember, BBF is a FREAK when it comes to receptors, he gets gains on 1/2 to 1/3 the amount most others I know use, including myself. And some of these guys have perfect diet and training so it's not that. Either way, I like the cycle, and I wish I could get by with BBF's dosages, gear wouldn't cost quite as much then... but I do love my 100mg/day tren sometimes

 

[Redux]

I think you could get by on 250 mg of test, 200-300 mg of eq, with the dbol and winstrol at the doses you are using.

I will take it under advisement.

 

[slat1]

Get some arimidex and run HCG throughout your cycle....don't wait for your boys to shrink just to have to work them back up to size....it's better to keep them nice and full so you can recover faster.......If this is your first time using EQ, don't expect the same results as with deca...you need to run EQ for a good 14 weeks for the extra 2-3lbs of muscle....

Unless I missed them... what are your stats? Can't make an educated recomendation w/o them.
I agree with hammertime30. HCG is a must! I will never cycle again w/o it. I would run 5kiu's at week 5 and 10.... 500 a day for 10 days. The difference this stuff makes is crazy. The results speak for themselves. You should not get gyno unless you run higher doses or are extremely succeptable to it. Others are.. .know your body!
Good Luck

 

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Unless I missed them... what are your stats? Can't make an educated recomendation w/o them.
I agree with hammertime30. HCG is a must! I will never cycle again w/o it. I would run 5kiu's at week 5 and 10.... 500 a day for 10 days. The difference this stuff makes is crazy. The results speak for themselves. You should not get gyno unless you run higher doses or are extremely succeptable to it. Others are.. .know your body!
Good Luck

6ft, 190lbs, 11%bf (at least it was at the beginning of September. Maybe a little lower now.)

 

[gregory]

Whew this is a heavy ass third cycle. I never cycled like that and go to 280. I just don't see the need for that much gear but it's just me.

 

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Whew this is a heavy ass third cycle. I never cycled like that and go to 280. I just don't see the need for that much gear but it's just me.

It seemed heavy to me, too when I was putting it together. But it also seemed, and seems necessary. I made quality gains off my first two cycles, but I didn't blow the fuck up, and I put on a lot of body fat during my first one. (I was on the "everything that's not nailed down" diet).

Let me be clear: I am not trying or expecting to blow the fuck up off of this, but I am trying to gain quality muscle mass, and a few tweakings aside, my diet is about as dialed in as it can get. I think I have a good training program, and all that really leaves me to work on is the gear. I hear EQ is a little weaker than the Deca I am used to, so I don't want to mess with a lower dosage of that. I think everyone seem to agree that my dbol and winny dosages are reasonable, so that only leaves the sust.

As far as the sust, yes, 500mg/week does seem a bit high for a first cycle, but I can't see any point in NOT using it at that dosage, since I already have it all, and I will already be shut down. I guess my only real concern might be bloating, but I can handle that with a-dex in the short term, and by knocking the dosage back in the long term.

Still, I am considering taking the middle ground and going 375mg/week, but I probably won't decide for sure until I get there.

By the way, forgot to include in my stats that I am 28.

Thanks for all input.

 

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