THinking about changing cycle direction due "puffiness"

[black sheep]

I am on the second leg of a 20 week cycle. To save typing I am only including the second 10 weeks (I am on week 12 now).

I cannot get rid of the puffiness in my nipples. I am running 20mg of Aromasin ED which seems to be keeping most of the bloat away, but my nipples look silly. This is the way I am running the cycle now.

10-20 Super Test (Sust like product) 875mg/week
10-20 Equiposie Cyp Ester 600mg/week
10-20 rHGH Jintropin 10iu EOD (I run 6 iu EOD while off cycle)
11-18 NPP 530mg/week (230mg E3D)

I dont want to take Letro and ruin my libido, so I am thinking of switching to this

(Remeber I am in week 12)

12-20 Supertest 350mg/week
12-20 EQ Cyp 800mg/week
12-20 rHGH 10iu EOD
12-18 NPP 530mg/week

This will keep a little test for libido issues and make EQ more of the base of the cycle. I was thinking of going to 20mg EOD on the aromasin once I make this change.

This should eliminate the puffy nipps (It is not the NPP - I have had the issue all thru the cycle with the test at this dosage. I have NO soreness or itchyness associated with it, just really puffy.


Discuss...

 

[jmead]

I am on the second leg of a 20 week cycle. To save typing I am only including the second 10 weeks (I am on week 12 now).

I cannot get rid of the puffiness in my nipples. I am running 20mg of Aromasin ED which seems to be keeping most of the bloat away, but my nipples look silly. This is the way I am running the cycle now.

10-20 Super Test (Sust like product) 875mg/week
10-20 Equiposie Cyp Ester 600mg/week
10-20 rHGH Jintropin 10iu EOD (I run 6 iu EOD while off cycle)
11-18 NPP 530mg/week (230mg E3D)

I dont want to take Letro and ruin my libido, so I am thinking of switching to this

(Remeber I am in week 12)

12-20 Supertest 350mg/week
12-20 EQ Cyp 800mg/week
12-20 rHGH 10iu EOD
12-18 NPP 530mg/week

This will keep a little test for libido issues and make EQ more of the base of the cycle. I was thinking of going to 20mg EOD on the aromasin once I make this change.

This should eliminate the puffy nipps (It is not the NPP - I have had the issue all thru the cycle with the test at this dosage. I have NO soreness or itchyness associated with it, just really puffy.


Discuss...

makes sense theoretically but who knows what the real cause of the puffyness is with all those compounds.. have u tried AIFM applying directly to the puffy nip area.. i had some pre existing puffyness before i got on my test/dbol/eq and it helped get them back to normal.

 

[black sheep]

AIFM is systemetic, not site specific. AIFM is very close to Aromasin, so no - I have not considered the change.

I am pretty sure it is the test - It is the common denominator in the whole cycle.

 

[jmead]

AIFM is systemetic, not site specific. AIFM is very close to Aromasin, so no - I have not considered the change.

I am pretty sure it is the test - It is the common denominator in the whole cycle.

there has been alot of speculation that applying to the nipple area actually helps.. its not proven, but i just told you it worked on me and many others, take what you will from that.. macro and ulter will tell u the same.. not proven.. but has been known to work

 

[Reubsf]

Does Letro destroy libido to the extent that the gyno is the lesser of 2 evils? Just asking as I know nothing about that stuff.

 

[thelion2005]

I am on the second leg of a 20 week cycle. To save typing I am only including the second 10 weeks (I am on week 12 now).

I cannot get rid of the puffiness in my nipples. I am running 20mg of Aromasin ED which seems to be keeping most of the bloat away, but my nipples look silly. This is the way I am running the cycle now.

10-20 Super Test (Sust like product) 875mg/week
10-20 Equiposie Cyp Ester 600mg/week
10-20 rHGH Jintropin 10iu EOD (I run 6 iu EOD while off cycle)
11-18 NPP 530mg/week (230mg E3D)

I dont want to take Letro and ruin my libido, so I am thinking of switching to this

(Remeber I am in week 12)

12-20 Supertest 350mg/week
12-20 EQ Cyp 800mg/week
12-20 rHGH 10iu EOD
12-18 NPP 530mg/week

This will keep a little test for libido issues and make EQ more of the base of the cycle. I was thinking of going to 20mg EOD on the aromasin once I make this change.

This should eliminate the puffy nipps (It is not the NPP - I have had the issue all thru the cycle with the test at this dosage. I have NO soreness or itchyness associated with it, just really puffy.


Discuss...

Sent you a PM.

 

[jmead]

Does Letro destroy libido to the extent that the gyno is the lesser of 2 evils? Just asking as I know nothing about that stuff.

dont thread jack.. start your own

by the way my puffyness in my nipples is exactly as you stated.. no soreness itchyness just puffed up.. like there is liquid in there or something.. i got it from superdrol/pheraflex without proper pct.. like 2 months after the cycle

 

[chazk]

drop the npp i bet the gyno is progestrone induced and aromasin wont get ride of that . if they are shaped like banna nipples then thats one sighn estrogen gyno seems to has more of a saggy swollen look while progesterone makes um perkey like a 14 year old budding girl.

i'm not a gyno expert but thats from what i have seen and read over the years.

 

[black sheep]

drop the npp i bet the gyno is progestrone induced and aromasin wont get ride of that . if they are shaped like banna nipples then thats one sighn estrogen gyno seems to has more of a saggy swollen look while progesterone makes um perkey like a 14 year old budding girl.

i'm not a gyno expert but thats from what i have seen and read over the years.

IT is not the NPP. I am 12 weeks into the test and have had the problem for the last 6 weeks - I just started the NPP this week.

They are swollenlooking BTW - And there is no change in feeling - just the puffiness.

 

[kbrkbr]

Have you tried tamoxifen?

Always takes care of my puffy nips.

 

[black sheep]

Have you tried tamoxifen?

Always takes care of my puffy nips.

It is a bad idea taking Nolva with Nandrolones.

 

[chazk]

I am on the second leg of a 20 week cycle. To save typing I am only including the second 10 weeks (I am on week 12 now).

I cannot get rid of the puffiness in my nipples. I am running 20mg of Aromasin ED which seems to be keeping most of the bloat away, but my nipples look silly. This is the way I am running the cycle now.

10-20 Super Test (Sust like product) 875mg/week
10-20 Equiposie Cyp Ester 600mg/week
10-20 rHGH Jintropin 10iu EOD (I run 6 iu EOD while off cycle)
11-18 NPP 530mg/week (230mg E3D)

I dont want to take Letro and ruin my libido, so I am thinking of switching to this

(Remeber I am in week 12)

12-20 Supertest 350mg/week
12-20 EQ Cyp 800mg/week
12-20 rHGH 10iu EOD
12-18 NPP 530mg/week

This will keep a little test for libido issues and make EQ more of the base of the cycle. I was thinking of going to 20mg EOD on the aromasin once I make this change.

This should eliminate the puffy nipps (It is not the NPP - I have had the issue all thru the cycle with the test at this dosage. I have NO soreness or itchyness associated with it, just really puffy.


Discuss...

hey i read your cycle closer 875mg of test and eq at 600mg is alot of aromatizing drugs. (eq aromatizes about half of test ) so that seems like alot for only 20mg or aromasin to try and take care of . the aromasin will help stop the conversion of test based drugs into estrogen but your problem now seems to be you already have the estrogen in the body floating around and its binding to the breast.
your gonna have some serious issues here in a few weeks to deal with once the gyno gets to bad your gonna have to eventually get it removed (wich most steroid users do anyways ).or your gonna have to treat the gyno the best you can get it to start going away and focus on the gyno issue rather then making gains this means your gonna have to choose making gains and getting gyno,making less gains and losing libido by running the letro (one of the only drugs actually show to reduce breast tumors and gyno)You could also drop the NPP and use nolvadex to stop the estrogen from binding to the breast tissue (becuase you can use nolvadex with npp it will make it worse)
lowering the test and swaping it out with higher eq is a good idea but you still need to get the gyno to clear up.

Me I would run the eq at 800mg test at 200mg pound the nolvadex at 40mg a day a few weeks with arimidex at 1mg a day of letro and 2.5mg or aromasin at 40mg a day a day untill you notice significant reduction in breast
tissue swelling then after about 3 weeks drop the nolvadex and add npp the 4th week and see how things go keep the anti estrogen scuicide inhibator but maybe lower it some

i would hate for you to look in the mirror in a few years and think fuck now i have a set of tits i need to get cut out . anti estrogens and estrogen blockers are available very cheap and eazy to get, but gyno on the other hand involves 3-5k and a few weeks if not months from working out.

its your body bro , do what you want but do what ever it takes to get that gyno under control .

i hope some people that have had gyno surgery reply on this thread and reply to what they would have done diff at the first sighns of gyno if they had a second chance to go back to the cycle they thinks cuased the gyno and what they would have done

 

[solidspine]

Nolvedex ED

&

AIFM sprayed directly on your boobs.

 

[kbrkbr]

It is a bad idea taking Nolva with Nandrolones.

Really? I hadn't heard that. What's that all about? I used tam and deca together my first four cycles.

 

[black sheep]

Yeah... Start a thread about it - Ulter and Macro will chime in.

 

[black sheep]

Per Macro's advice I am going to up the Aromasin to 40mg ED and wait 5 days to see what happens before lowering my Test dosage. I'll report back at that time.

 

[td1111]

If it were me, I would take this advice to heart!

hey i read your cycle closer 875mg of test and eq at 600mg is alot of aromatizing drugs. (eq aromatizes about half of test ) so that seems like alot for only 20mg or aromasin to try and take care of . the aromasin will help stop the conversion of test based drugs into estrogen but your problem now seems to be you already have the estrogen in the body floating around and its binding to the breast.
your gonna have some serious issues here in a few weeks to deal with once the gyno gets to bad your gonna have to eventually get it removed (wich most steroid users do anyways ).or your gonna have to treat the gyno the best you can get it to start going away and focus on the gyno issue rather then making gains this means your gonna have to choose making gains and getting gyno,making less gains and losing libido by running the letro (one of the only drugs actually show to reduce breast tumors and gyno)You could also drop the NPP and use nolvadex to stop the estrogen from binding to the breast tissue (becuase you can use nolvadex with npp it will make it worse)
lowering the test and swaping it out with higher eq is a good idea but you still need to get the gyno to clear up.

Me I would run the eq at 800mg test at 200mg pound the nolvadex at 40mg a day a few weeks with arimidex at 1mg a day of letro and 2.5mg or aromasin at 40mg a day a day untill you notice significant reduction in breast
tissue swelling then after about 3 weeks drop the nolvadex and add npp the 4th week and see how things go keep the anti estrogen scuicide inhibator but maybe lower it some

i would hate for you to look in the mirror in a few years and think fuck now i have a set of tits i need to get cut out . anti estrogens and estrogen blockers are available very cheap and eazy to get, but gyno on the other hand involves 3-5k and a few weeks if not months from working out.

its your body bro , do what you want but do what ever it takes to get that gyno under control .

i hope some people that have had gyno surgery reply on this thread and reply to what they would have done diff at the first sighns of gyno if they had a second chance to go back to the cycle they thinks cuased the gyno and what they would have done

 

[blacksabbath1987]

If it were me, I would take this advice to heart!

try some bromocriptine if you think it is gyno!! i have also used nolva with know issuses. and i had gyno my last cycle got rid of it with these 2-products. letzro did knowing for me but make things worse! you will have to see what works for you' listen to your body and the changes!.

 

[abomb]

I vote not to change the cycle. Up the Aromasin to 40 mg. If that doesn't work then resort to Letro. After PCT I would get the surgery and be done with it for good.

 

[black sheep]

I vote not to change the cycle. Up the Aromasin to 40 mg. If that doesn't work then resort to Letro. After PCT I would get the surgery and be done with it for good.

Heres the thing.. There is no lump, no tissue development, so soreness, itchyness, - Nothing. Just a swollen fat look. I am going to keep the cycle the same for a bit and run 40mg ed of Aromasin.

 

[qstorm]

I am a rookie but YES worked great for me. I put my dick on it.