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THG, Undetectable aas?

GNL

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Hey whats up.
I just caught the last minute or so on the CNN (I think), and they were talking about a new aas that was virtually undetectable when an individual is being tested with the conventional methods. The substance is called THG, and from what i caught, it is fairly new, and the FDA did not ban it, since they had no knowledge of its existance.
Anyone heard anything about this? I mean I'm still a natural, but it's always good to keep eyes and ears open, right?

GNL
 
I just asked my father (he saw a little more of the show), and he said they did catch athletes using it.
But if some athletes got caught using, then the substance is detectable, right?
I don't know, I'm still unsure about all this. Could be a part of the steroid scare goin around. This might be something other than aas, but the reporters would have no idea. Not the first time they got something wrong.

GNL
 
I don't have any first hand information. I read a thread on another board, and from what I gather it's an AAS similar to tren that was undectable but is now detectable. Some high paid chemists are able to take a common AAS and somehow alter it enough so that it doesn't show up in a test as that same AAS. I believe it's fairly common among Olympic athletes.
 
Damn that's interesting. But I'm unclear on one thing u said.

Altering an aas so it doesn't show up on a test for that particular aas, or so it doesn't show up on a test for aas in general?

P.S. Bet tose chemists charge a nice buck or two for those services....

GNL
 
I think it would show up in a t/e test, but you wouldn't be able to detect the metabolites if it was something completely new. Maybe Huck or somebody can add some of their scientific knowhow. I'm just speculating.
 
Tetrahydrogestrinone (THG) is chemically similar to the antiprogestogen Gestrinone and to the androgen Trenbolone. The chemists have injected 4 hydrogen atoms into Gestrinone to form THG. It is taken sublingually.

The analysts either got suspicious by something (like with the Norbolethone some months ago) or were tipped off by an insider. They tested 450 samples specifically for THG in June, so they knew for what to search for. You have to know exactly what you are searching for, every new steroid with only a minor difference in its chemical structure is undetectable at first.
 
More info on Balco Labs bust and the discovery of Designer Steroid THG. Damn Feds!


Oct 16, 9:37 PM (ET)

By ROB GLOSTER
Several track athletes tested positive for a steroid that until recently was undetectable and now face suspensions that could bar them from the 2004 Athens Olympics, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency said Thursday.

USADA chief executive officer Terry Madden called it a widespread "conspiracy" involving chemists, coaches and athletes that was brought to the agency's attention by an anonymous tip.

He said the inquiry began in June and has expanded to other U.S. professional sports, but wouldn't give specifics. He also refused to give details about the athletes or say how many tested positive for the steroid, known as tetrahydrogestrinone, or THG.

"What we have uncovered appears to be intentional doping of the worst sort," Madden said in a statement before his conference call from USADA headquarters in Colorado Springs, Colo. "This is a far cry from athletes accidentally testing positive as a result of taking contaminated nutritional supplements.

"Rather, this is a conspiracy involving chemists, coaches and certain athletes using what they developed to be 'undetectable' designer steroids to defraud their fellow competitors and the American and world public who pay to attend sports events."

Olympic athletes face drug tests at major competitions, as well as random testing between events. Their samples are divided in two and stored for future reference.

The athletes whose "A" samples revealed THG have been notified and will now have their "B" samples tested. If those are positive, a review process will begin. Appeals could last for months. Track athletes found to have used steroids would face two-year bans.

THG has a chemical structure similar to the banned anabolic steroids gestrinome and trenbolone, Madden said. Though THG is not specifically named as a banned substance in world track, it would be considered a related substance outlawed under the sport's doping rules.

"This is a serious warning for cheaters," said Dick Pound, chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency. "It shows that supposedly undetectable substances can be detected as new tests are developed."

Madden said the USADA received a call from a man in June claiming to be a track coach. The caller named athletes he claimed were using a steroid that wouldn't be detected by tests then being used by the USADA. The man later sent the agency a syringe containing the substance, Madden said.

After determining the syringe contained THG, the USADA retested 350 urine samples taken from athletes at the U.S. track and field championships in June at Stanford, as well as 100 samples from random out-of-competition tests.

Madden said USADA contacted federal authorities with the findings.

The anonymous tipster, Madden said, identified the source of the THG as Victor Conte, founder of BALCO laboratory of Burlingame, Calif. The lab supplies nutritional guidance and supplements to athletes ranging from Barry Bonds to Bill Romanowski to Marion Jones.

"Everything that the coach has identified to us up to this time is true. We are fairly certain this substance came from Victor Conte and BALCO labs," said Madden, refusing to be specific.

Conte did not respond Thursday to an e-mail inquiry from The Associated Press, and calls to BALCO went unanswered.

In an e-mail to the San Francisco Chronicle and San Jose Mercury News, Conte denied BALCO was the source of the substance.

"In my opinion, this is about jealous competitive coaches and athletes that all have a history of promoting and using performance enhancing agents being 'completely hypocritical' in their actions," Conte said.

Agents from the Internal Revenue Service and a San Mateo County narcotics task force went to BALCO last month. No arrests were made, and IRS spokesman Mark Lessler wouldn't comment on the visit.

As part of the retesting of the samples from the U.S. track championships, Madden said, officials discovered several positive tests for the stimulant modafinil - which sprinter Kelli White says she took for the sleep disorder narcolepsy.

White tested positive this summer at the world championships in Paris for modafinil, and it could cost her a pair of sprint gold medals. Her case is being reviewed by USADA.

USA Track & Field, in a statement, said it didn't know all the details of the anti-doping agency's probe but said those responsible "should be held accountable for their actions."

U.S. Olympic Committee spokesman Darryl Seibel said: "We created USADA to be a leader in the fight against doping in sport. There is no issue of greater importance to the USOC and their effort underscores the commitment we've made."


The funny thing is the media is acting so surprised when really this kind of chemical manipulation has been going on ever since they started drug testing. Most of the top runners are on gear that cannot be tested, THG is just one of who knows how many manipulations of AS. The drug testing battle will never end. There isn't enough money out there to catch everything. Realistically they have to just keep plugging away, having an anonymous tip like they did is the only way testers have a chance against finding these chemically altered steriods.

Really the gear that is specially made is not better than what untested Joe Blow can get. It is basically overpriced gear that is undectable by drug testers.
GH testing is pretty much impossible. Its like asking me to look at the free way and telling you which car got on the freeway a half hour ago. Unless I see the guy inject gh I will not be able to prove anything.
 
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