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turns out the guy was a chinese national here on a visa.

well, well, well...since he wasn't a citizen, he could not legally purchase or acquire a handgun in the US, but yet he did anyways.

so, he acquired his firearms on the black market and killed people with them. why should congress pass more gun laws if these people are just going to break the laws anyway?

gun laws only affect the law-abiding gun owners.
 
p0ink said:
turns out the guy was a chinese national here on a visa.

well, well, well...since he wasn't a citizen, he could not legally purchase or acquire a handgun in the US, but yet he did anyways.

so, he acquired his firearms on the black market and killed people with them. why should congress pass more gun laws if these people are just going to break the laws anyway?

gun laws only affect the law-abiding gun owners.

Actually there's no law against a foreigner borrowing someone else's gun or renting them.
 
fuck guns and fuck the chinese
 
p0ink said:
turns out the guy was a chinese national here on a visa.

well, well, well...since he wasn't a citizen, he could not legally purchase or acquire a handgun in the US, but yet he did anyways.

so, he acquired his firearms on the black market and killed people with them. why should congress pass more gun laws if these people are just going to break the laws anyway?

gun laws only affect the law-abiding gun owners.
Im right with you bor, but its a little too soon to be firing political salvos about this at this point. kind of bad timing know what i mean?
 
Im going to start bringing my piece to campus in case some shit like this happens there. Fuck it Ive got a license.
 
p0ink said:
turns out the guy was a chinese national here on a visa.

well, well, well...since he wasn't a citizen, he could not legally purchase or acquire a handgun in the US, but yet he did anyways.

so, he acquired his firearms on the black market and killed people with them. why should congress pass more gun laws if these people are just going to break the laws anyway?

gun laws only affect the law-abiding gun owners.
And if he stole a gun from a law-abiding citizen? Or borrowed one?
 
superdave said:
Im right with you bor, but its a little too soon to be firing political salvos about this at this point. kind of bad timing know what i mean?


Not really, considering the people on the other side of this issue will soon start the exact argument.
 
plifter said:
Actually there's no law against a foreigner borrowing someone else's gun or renting them.

i have never heard of a business that rents firearms outside of their range. secondly, it would be illegal for any gun owner to supply any person who cannot legally purchase/posses a gun.

nice try, though.
 
EnderJE said:
And if he stole a gun from a law-abiding citizen? Or borrowed one?

both are already against the law, so how could stricter gun control laws stop anything like this from happening again.

gun control only affects those who do not break the law.
 
p0ink said:
i have never heard of a business that rents firearms outside of their range. secondly, it would be illegal for any gun owner to supply any person who cannot legally purchase/posses a gun.

nice try, though.
Enforcing the current gun laws isn't important. It's about exploiting the latest tragedy for political gain that matters. I hate politicians.....
 
p0ink said:
both are already against the law, so how could stricter gun control laws stop anything like this from happening again.

gun control only affects those who do not break the law.
I would disagree that it ONLY affects those who do not break the law. Those who do break the law would have less availability to guns because there are less (legal) guns in the environment. Not everyone goes to the black market or can pick one up at the drop of a hat.
 
the truth is that before guns, there were blades and before blades, there were sharp stones.

I was going to suggest that we don't need guns at all, but i don't know if guns are the real culprits here.
 
Handguns

The two 1997 Firearms (Amendment) Acts resulted in the prohibition of the vast majority of handguns in Great Britain. As a result of the prohibition and the surrender exercise, more than 162,000 handguns were handed in to local police forces.

Handgun Surrender and Compensation. Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General NAO, 1999.


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Firearms Certificates
In England and Wales at the end of 2001 there were 119,560 firearm certificates on issue covering 301,000 firearms (nearly three quarters are rifles), and 577,171 shotgun certificates covering 1,307,576 shotguns. With the exception of the number of firearms covered, all these figures are lower than the previous years. One percent and just over one and a half percent, respectively, of applications for new firearm and shotgun certificates made during 2001 were refused.

In Scotland at the end of 2003 there were 26,605 firearm certificates (an increase of 1 percent on 2002) on issue covering the possession of 60,440 firearms (a decrease of 0.3 percent), and 52,421 shotgun certificates (an increase of 1 percent) covering 125,395 shotguns (an increase of 2.3 percent). For both firearm and shotgun certificates new applications were down on 2002.

Firearm Certificates by Alan Gray. Chapter 9 in Crime in England and Wales, 2001/2002: Supplementary Volume. January 2003.

Firearms Certificates Statistics, Scotland, 2003. Scottish Executive Statistical Bulletin. May 2004


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Gun Crime in Great Britain


The official figures for gun crime in England and Wales in 2002/03 were announced in January 2004. There were a total of 24,070 firearm offences of which 57% (13,822) involved air weapons, the highest number of offences ever. The largest increase in offences was seen with imitation firearms for which there was an annual increase of 46% to 1815 offences.

The latest gun crime figures from Scotland show a total of 970 offences in which a firearm was alleged to have been used in 2003, a reduction of over 9% from 2002. A large proportion of the offences (43 percent) involved air weapons, and 37 percent were committed with unidentified weapons (the latter figure has increased significantly in recent years since Strathclyde (after 2001) and Lothian and Borders (after 2002) stopped making assumptions about what type of weapon was used even if it had not been identified - it was usually assumed that this was an air weapon for statistical returns and this is still likely to be the case). Handguns were involved in 29 offences, the lowest number since 1990. No handgun was used in any offence which caused injury or death.

Criminal statistics England and Wales 2002/2003. Supplementary Volume 1. Homicide and Gun Crime (edited by David Povey). National Statistics. January 2004

Recorded Crimes and Offences involving Firearms, Scotland, 2003. Scottish Executive National Statistical Bulletin. October 2004


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Firearms Amnesty

During the month long firearms amnesty in April 2003, over 43,000 guns were surrendered in England and Wales and 3393 in Scotland.


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Firearms Incidents

Behind all the statistics are the actual incidents that result in the suffering of innocent people and animals. These lists reveal the consequence of the continued misuse of firearms.

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Massacres and Legally-Held Firearms

Worldwide, the majority of recent shooting massacres have been committed with legally-held weapons.

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Some Statistics from the USA

In 1999, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. (Source: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

Between 1993-1999, gun deaths in the United States have declined 27%. (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, WISQARS, National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)

In 1999, 58% of all gun deaths were suicides, and 38% were homicides. (SOURCE: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

Of all suicides, 57% occurred by firearm (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (WISQARS), National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)

In 2000, 75,685 people (27/100,000) suffered non-fatal firearm gunshot injuries. (SOURCE: Federal Bureau of Investigation. Uniform Crime Reports for the United States: Crime in the United States 2000: Uniform Crime Reports. Washington, D.C: U.S. Department of Justice; 2001.)


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Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Unintentional

USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)

Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)

Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) -

Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) -

England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999)

Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01 (1997)

* Homicide & attempted homicide by handgun

Data collected by Philip Alpers, Harvard Injury Control Research Center, and HELP Network

Additional data can be found in Table A.10 of the World Report on Violence and Health, published by the World Health Organization on 3 October 2002.
 
who the fuck was this guy? Chow Yun Fat?
shooting 60 people with a few handguns in a loaded building
it just doesnt add up
 
its like they were making up for a hundred yrs of law abiding-ness all in one day.
 
i assume he was like 5'7, 150lbs or something.

dman he must've been a damn good shot. most people he shot, died right there. he would've been a fucking awesome soldier. too bad he hate to waste his skills.

still doesn't add up. tho this is sure to piss off pro-illegal immigration activists now. we're importing serial killers, lets open up the borders! lol.
 
Razorguns said:
i assume he was like 5'7, 150lbs or something.

dman he must've been a damn good shot. most people he shot, died right there. he would've been a fucking awesome soldier. too bad he hate to waste his skills.

still doesn't add up. tho this is sure to piss off pro-illegal immigration activists now. we're importing serial killers, lets open up the borders! lol.


hours and hours of counterstrike
 
p0ink said:
both are already against the law, so how could stricter gun control laws stop anything like this from happening again.

gun control only affects those who do not break the law.

I agree with this. My friend and I were discussing it tonight. He supports stricter gun laws. That shit won't work here. The bad guys are always gonna get the guns. If just one person had had a concealed gun on them, many lives could have been saved tonight.
 
Razorguns said:
i assume he was like 5'7, 150lbs or something.

dman he must've been a damn good shot. most people he shot, died right there. he would've been a fucking awesome soldier. too bad he hate to waste his skills.

still doesn't add up. tho this is sure to piss off pro-illegal immigration activists now. we're importing serial killers, lets open up the borders! lol.
agree with your second paragraph. He likely hit a bunch of moving targets as well, very difficult to do unless trained.
 
SpyWizard said:
ball??

or

semi jacket hollow point ??

or maybe Black talon.. those are cool..
My guess is some sort of jacketed hollow point.
Damn the shooter for being effective. My sorrow and regrets to all those he victimized.
In my Glocks I carry Speer Gold Dot +P. It would be valueable to know how effective these loads are in live fire events.
The FBI will compile the data for their research, but that doesn't mean the law abiding consumer will be privy to that info.
Bite me is right - one law abiding citizen with a concealed weapon (or one cop with balls) could have saved dozens of lives.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
Bite me is right - one law abiding citizen with a concealed weapon (or one cop with balls) could have saved dozens of lives.
this is true. seems like years ago one little chinese guy would've got tackled by somebody. i'd rather go down fighting than die on my knees. was there not one guy who didn't try to charge this guy from behind? i know, i know. easy for me to say. the whole thing just makes me sick. some guy from china , been here since august can do something like this.
 
lets not underestimate this guy. remember that chinese hunter who massacred 7 HUNTERS WITH WEAPONS killing them all???

some of those guys are hardcore, those chinese! more chinese should be cops. if we fought guerilla warfare in china, we'd get our asses kicked
 
bitch please...

the easier it is for law-abbiding citizens to acquire arms, the easier it is those arms will end somewhere else... simply put, the market is flooded with arms, both legal and illegal...

a little too late now, so learn how to live with it and your "right to bear arms"

I've lived in both types of systems, one where everybody can have a gun legally and here where it would be easier to proclame yourself the son of Hitler and be elected Chancellor... nedless to say, (with that one exception in erfurt), people do kill each other, but more with bats and knives... and that is one at a time, not 30+
 
Razorguns said:
lets not underestimate this guy. remember that chinese hunter who massacred 7 HUNTERS WITH WEAPONS killing them all???

some of those guys are hardcore, those chinese! more chinese should be cops. if we fought guerilla warfare in china, we'd get our asses kicked
He was a Loatian with an SKS.
 
Lestat said:
agree with your second paragraph. He likely hit a bunch of moving targets as well, very difficult to do unless trained.

Dude probably played mad video games.

Seriously, FPS's will improved your accuracy especially on moving targets.
 
biteme said:
I agree with this. My friend and I were discussing it tonight. He supports stricter gun laws. That shit won't work here. The bad guys are always gonna get the guns. If just one person had had a concealed gun on them, many lives could have been saved tonight.
You cant say that with any certainty. I've hunted half my life and been a firing range shooter for damn near ever. I have no tactical or situational training for such a situation. In all likely hood I like 99.9995% of everyone else who has had any such training would probably end up shooting another innocent person rather than taking out a shooter.

That or end up being taken down by police in a confusion of multiple gunmen.

All this tough talk, rambo-bullshit, if I had a gun crap is simply that. Crap.
 
jh1 said:
:rolleyes:

Car acidents kill more people per year than guns bro. But you knew that.

That's like the 100th time I've seen this argument on this board since the incident yesterday. Cars are not made for the express purpose of killing things. Guns are. I've seen some decent arguments against gun control, this is not one of them.
 
p0ink said:
turns out the guy was a chinese national here on a visa.

well, well, well...since he wasn't a citizen, he could not legally purchase or acquire a handgun in the US, but yet he did anyways.

so, he acquired his firearms on the black market and killed people with them. why should congress pass more gun laws if these people are just going to break the laws anyway?

gun laws only affect the law-abiding gun owners.

Incorrect. In Virginia, a legal permanent resident can purchase a firearm.
 
ole farte' said:
this is true. seems like years ago one little chinese guy would've got tackled by somebody. i'd rather go down fighting than die on my knees. was there not one guy who didn't try to charge this guy from behind? i know, i know. easy for me to say. the whole thing just makes me sick. some guy from china , been here since august can do something like this.

yo, when ur in that situation, you RUN!
 
Great thread retard.

S. Korean, not Chinese. He was able to buy the gun because he's a permanent resident alien.
 
jnevin said:
Great thread retard.

S. Korean, not Chinese. He was able to buy the gun because he's a permanent resident alien.

eat cocks, asshole. this was the information that was being put out yesterday.
 
how did he manage to kill so many people? i don't understand. with a glock? how many bullets does a glock carry?
 
Subzeero said:
how did he manage to kill so many people? i don't understand. with a glock? how many bullets does a glock carry?

all they are saying is it was a glock 9mm. i'm guessing it is either a glock 17 (holds 17 rounds) or a glock 19 (holds 15).
 
bluepeter said:
Not really. He purchased both firearms through legal means. Not sure why the serial numbers were filed off. Guess the shops he bought them from deal in illegal firearms.......lol
He probably filed them off him self. He could have been getting ready to cause a little trouble.
 
turns out they weren't glocks (at least according to fox news)

one 9mm and one 22.

at least no one can spin this as high-powered weaponry...a 22 is like a beefed up pellet gun.
 
p0ink said:
turns out they weren't glocks (at least according to fox news)

one 9mm and one 22.

at least no one can spin this as high-powered weaponry...a 22 is like a beefed up pellet gun.


Yeah. I bet the folks that got hit with that one are living better than ever.
 
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