The Reaganomics Fraud:

[mrplunkey]

Holy lack of understanding of tax brackets, batman!

He doesn't pay 35% on the entire $700k. Without any digimon trickery whatsoever, the most he's paying at the end of the day is perhaps 29-31%.

That additional 4% or so adds up to what - $25k?

Yeah, it's the difference between 245,000 and 222,644.

The funniest part is that out of that entire concept, that's the sum total of what you took away.

You've got some serious blinders on.

 

[mrplunkey]

Because our hypothetical surgeon was gifted with the intellectual capacity and physical and physiologic stamina to do what he does, it also means he will probably never have to worry about stupid things, like filling the oil tank or how to make the co pay on imaging studies, that leave the rest of us, who were not so physically and intellectually blessed, terrified and lying awake at night because we don't know what we're going to do when we're too old to work. I don't know about you, but from this end of the world there is nothing secure about Social Security.

The fact is, there are plenty of industrialized countries where the haves do not resent paying a larger share than the have nots.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Is that what you are saying?

 

[75th]

Yeah, it's the difference between 245,000 and 222,644.

The funniest part is that out of that entire concept, that's the sum total of what you took away.

You've got some serious blinders on.

I thought the funniest part was the lack of understanding of how tax brackets work on your part.

There wasnt much else to take away from your post considering there wont be a resolution between you and MM on this debate. You're arguments are running on parallel paths.

 

[PICK3]

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

That's profound!

Think I'll pawn if off at the water cooler tomorrow as my own original material.



kthxbye!

 

[musclemom]

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Is that what you are saying?

Honestly, certain aspects of socialism are appealing Sue me, I actually WANT to go live on a commune, I just can't find one. What's so wrong with pooling resources and working together toward a common good? I don't, and will never, understand why socialism is such a dirty word in this country. Frankly, a society completely focused on materialism and greed, driven only by self interest, is an ugly beast.

When you start saying "if you can't afford medical care you don't deserve it" or "if you can't afford a good education, and aren't smart enough to get scholarships, then you should spend the rest of your life poor" it's elitism, and that's better than socialism? Whatever happened to a little basic compassion, lending your fellow man a hand up?

If a "rich" person is going to resent paying more taxes than a "poor" person then let's take it to the logical conclusion, why do we permit mentally and physically handicapped individuals to collect SSD? For that matter, why do we even allow babies that are born that are hopeless cripples, that are abandoned by their parents, to live at all?

Why is it that the edges can be hard when we're talking about the top tax brackets versus the bottom brackets, and yet they start going all fuzzy when we're talking about people who will NEVER contribute a dime to society and be nothing but a 75 year drain on Social Security, Medicaid and all the other public service programs?

 

[mrplunkey]

Honestly, certain aspects of socialism are appealing Sue me, I actually WANT to go live on a commune, I just can't find one. What's so wrong with pooling resources and working together toward a common good? I don't, and will never, understand why socialism is such a dirty word in this country. Frankly, a society completely focused on materialism and greed, driven only by self interest, is an ugly beast.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of communes in the US alone. And world-wide, I'd guess there are at least a few thousand. Why not pick one and run with it?

With all due respect, I seriously doubt you believe what you are saying enough to pull-up stakes and do it.

When you start saying "if you can't afford medical care you don't deserve it" or "if you can't afford a good education, and aren't smart enough to get scholarships, then you should spend the rest of your life poor" it's elitism, and that's better than socialism? Whatever happened to a little basic compassion, lending your fellow man a hand up?

Having 1/3 of your income confiscated along with a slew of other taxes that pushes the real rate much higher is no longer "a hand up". Five percent is a hand-up... maybe even ten. But 1/3 is forced patronage.

If a "rich" person is going to resent paying more taxes than a "poor" person then let's take it to the logical conclusion, why do we permit mentally and physically handicapped individuals to collect SSD? For that matter, why do we even allow babies that are born that are hopeless cripples, that are abandoned by their parents, to live at all?

Why is it that the edges can be hard when we're talking about the top tax brackets versus the bottom brackets, and yet they start going all fuzzy when we're talking about people who will NEVER contribute a dime to society and be nothing but a 75 year drain on Social Security, Medicaid and all the other public service programs?

I think Dennis Miller put it best. "I have no problem helping the helpless, but I'm not interested in subsidizing the cluless."

 

[PICK3]

Honestly, certain aspects of socialism are appealing Sue me, I actually WANT to go live on a commune, I just can't find one. What's so wrong with pooling resources and working together toward a common good? I don't, and will never, understand why socialism is such a dirty word in this country. Frankly, a society completely focused on materialism and greed, driven only by self interest, is an ugly beast.

When you start saying "if you can't afford medical care you don't deserve it" or "if you can't afford a good education, and aren't smart enough to get scholarships, then you should spend the rest of your life poor" it's elitism, and that's better than socialism? Whatever happened to a little basic compassion, lending your fellow man a hand up?

If a "rich" person is going to resent paying more taxes than a "poor" person then let's take it to the logical conclusion, why do we permit mentally and physically handicapped individuals to collect SSD? For that matter, why do we even allow babies that are born that are hopeless cripples, that are abandoned by their parents, to live at all?

Why is it that the edges can be hard when we're talking about the top tax brackets versus the bottom brackets, and yet they start going all fuzzy when we're talking about people who will NEVER contribute a dime to society and be nothing but a 75 year drain on Social Security, Medicaid and all the other public service programs?

The duty of social responsibility of the "rich" (or anyone else) should knot be automatically (and disproportionately) deducted by teh govmint for poorly managed social programs.

Typically as people becum more financially stable it correlates to philanthropy.

Uncle Sugar should knot be in the business of trying to provide long term "fixes" for social needs that becum a way of life for generations. Providing services for those in despair wood be best left to churches and community service organizations.



just sayin'

 

[mrplunkey]

The duty of social responsibility of the "rich" (or anyone else) should knot be automatically (and disproportionately) deducted by teh govmint for poorly managed social programs.

Typically as people becum more financially stable it correlates to philanthropy.

Uncle Sugar should knot be in the business of trying to provide long term "fixes" for social needs that becum a way of life for generations. Providing services for those in despair wood be best left to churches and community service organizations.



just sayin'

Well said.

Uncle Sugar has enslaved more people than the colonial US ever did.

 

[PICK3]

well said.

uncle sugar has enslaved more people than the colonial us ever did.

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I was using your own reference you MO!!!