The PCT Debate .. Please place your vote.

[BadboyAl]

HCG during or after cycle to help testies recover?


Clomid after cycle or HCG?


Nolva or Arimidex during cycle to prevent gyno?

 

[bicepts101]

there is a whole pct forum but

1)hcg during-to keep testes from ever atrophying in the first place

2)clomid after

3)depends on what u are on and how bad u react to gyno. if u are sensitive start at .5mg ed or 1mg. as for nolva i like to only use it when needed during the cycle when gyno starts it will get rid of it. it has worked for me everytime. also, nolva after your cycle is a great idea also

 

[BadboyAl]

I know there is a whole forum I read the info.

It's conflicting information. I guys states hcg during not after the other sticky says after not during.

 

[Zircon]

personally I'd prob settle for 500iu eod for last 3 weeks of cycle. Give it 5-6 days to clear then start a nolva/clomid combo for 4 weeks.

nolva 20mg 4 weeks
Clomid 50/100/50/(50 if required)

So thats a pretty low dose hcg I think. I think problems from hcg come from taking too much per dose, and using it too much.

 

[Slyder190]

HCG will keep you shut down, SO WHY USE IT DURING PCT?

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

I will not go so far as to say HCG is a waste, but my 1st cycle PCT was nolva, 2nd was nolva/clomid, and I had no problems and little loss.

YMMV, but my balls were fine, even through 13 weeks of Test.


Bluesman

 

[alcatraz1662]

Hmmmm.....I've never used HCG, I just posted a thread a week ago about dosage recommendations. My first cycle was Prop only for 8 weeks and I didn't even do PCT, lol. Second cycle was Cyp only with a Nolva only PCT. My third cycle will be 4 weeks of Nolva for PCT and Adex at .5mgED throughout-Extra nolva and clomid on hand. My balls are the same size since I left high school, so I've never had a need for HCG.

 

[ALIN]

HCG during or after cycle to help testies recover?


Clomid after cycle or HCG?


Nolva or Arimidex during cycle to prevent gyno?

hcg during cycle 500 iu, every 5 days has worked very well for me and several athletes i work with.

 

[BadboyAl]

It seems there really is a HCG debate.

Lots of people feel its not needed at all. Yet other feel it is a must.

Anyone else have an opinion?

 

[hammercurls]

people will tell you during some will say post cycle. its very confusing

 

[mendo]

After talking to some very experienced bros on here, I switched to using HCG during the last 2 weeks of my cycles...but BEFORE PCT. That way the boys are full-sized going into PCT, but the HCG is out of my system so it doesn't keep me shut down. Works great.

 

[gjohnson5]

HCG will keep you shut down, SO WHY USE IT DURING PCT?

I hadn't read that ever

 

[Ulter]

The answer isn't up there. The answer is both during and after. Just a little bump every 4-6 weeks, 8 for my purposes, keep the testes big and bouncy. If you have a 12 week cycle you should use HCG for a 7-10 days in the middle. Then at the end. HCG is a wonderful tool for PCT it jumpstarts your testes to get them ready rumble again. So that when you start your clomid, nolva, arimidex, etc. The testes respond faster. To say you use it for PCT may be misleading for some people. PCT traditionally means what you use Post-Cycle. But HCG at the end is actually done in the last week of the cycle so it's not Post-Cycle in the truest sense because your using it during the last week.

 

[anal itch]

The answer isn't up there. The answer is both during and after. Just a little bump every 4-6 weeks, 8 for my purposes, keep the testes big and bouncy. If you have a 12 week cycle you should use HCG for a 7-10 days in the middle. Then at the end. HCG is a wonderful tool for PCT it jumpstarts your testes to get them ready rumble again. So that when you start your clomid, nolva, arimidex, etc. The testes respond faster. To say you use it for PCT may be misleading for some people. PCT traditionally means what you use Post-Cycle. But HCG at the end is actually done in the last week of the cycle so it's not Post-Cycle in the truest sense because your using it during the last week.

I'm in the middle of a 12 week cycle and just started taking HCG at 500iu's ED for 10 days. What would you recommend as a dose for the last week of a cycle? I have 10k iu's left.

 

[anal itch]

bump

 

[Ulter]

I'm in the middle of a 12 week cycle and just started taking HCG at 500iu's ED for 10 days. What would you recommend as a dose for the last week of a cycle? I have 10k iu's left.

1000iu/day for ten days.

 

[needsize]

The answer isn't up there. The answer is both during and after. Just a little bump every 4-6 weeks, 8 for my purposes, keep the testes big and bouncy. If you have a 12 week cycle you should use HCG for a 7-10 days in the middle. Then at the end. HCG is a wonderful tool for PCT it jumpstarts your testes to get them ready rumble again. So that when you start your clomid, nolva, arimidex, etc. The testes respond faster. To say you use it for PCT may be misleading for some people. PCT traditionally means what you use Post-Cycle. But HCG at the end is actually done in the last week of the cycle so it's not Post-Cycle in the truest sense because your using it during the last week.

exactly
I just finished a cycle that was around 26 weeks, bulking then 19 weeks of contest training. Lowest my dose was during that time was 2 grams a week, during bulking definitely higher. I used hcg at 500iu 1-2x weekly during the cycle, taking a week or two off it now and then to prevent desensitization. Just before the end, I ran hcg at 1000iu eod for the last 10 days, waited 2 days for it to clear, then started clomid/nolva.
There was no lag in getting my nuts back, my sex drive became even better during pct than it was during the cycle.
All that being said though, I thinkn hcg during a cycle, especially if you do it for more than just one week in the middle, isnt necessary unless your cycle is over 12 weeks. For anything under, 1000iu ed or eod for the last 10 days before regular pct(clomid) is plenty

 

[bobbie]

during for me 500iu eod that works for me

 

[Mythicalbeing]

hcg during, with high clomid for 2 weeks afterward(as in when last active esters drop off)

 

[soxfan]

I am done with hcg and clomid for good now. I only use nolva+herbals and I always recover just fine.

 

[Maxx Out]

I've always used clomid only with no problems.

I have recently started experimenting with clomid/nolv after cycle and it also seems to be working fine.

 

[BIGJAKE]

The system that has worked for me time and time again is. 500iu HCG eod during... Nolva 20mg daily during... stop both at end of cycle... Then 3 weeks after last Test shot... Start 300mg Clomid day 1 then 100mg for 10 then 50 for 10... Nolva 20mg daily the entire time running Clomid.. The first week and a half HCG 500iu eod starting the same day I start the Clomid.. Thats what works well for me never had any problem...