Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Excellent post, I agree that all these things can happen, it doesnt matter what you take to protect yourself side effects do happen, even if you dont see them now they can and possibly will show up later in life. Be careful out there guys. frequent lab tests, sane cycles, and an understanding physician are your best bets, if you must..
The original pioneer of D-bol, John Ziegler's dying words...
J
Juice Authority
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The thing that concerns me most is the tendon damage that's described in the article. This is a true side effect that I've experienced and there's nothing you can take while on a cycle to prevent it.
Triple J
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Dr. Colgan is a horse's ass. Read his book called Optimum Sports Nutrition where he claims OKG is the next coming and creatine and vanadyl sulfate are worthless (he pushed his homebrewed nutrition with Twinlab). He makes emotional arguments without looking at the science in many cases, except to support things he invents and sells like OKG. Of course we all know how that turned out. He thinks his MD gives him the right to spout whatever nonsense he wants as gospel.
I hear ha Juice. The whole tendon thing got me to thinking. I haven't had any problems before, but, dont want them to start. about everyhting else, with todays ever increasing knowledge, and safety precautions, I feel that I am pretty safe and good to go. only time will tell I guess.
Whiskey
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J
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Triple J said:
Clinical studies have shown that OKG produces a large release of GH during your sleep and during exercise. Why is it such a crock of shit in your eyes? The one downside that has been noted is that OKG results in the production of arginine. If you are susceptible to herpes, arginine can aggravate and possibly results in herpes.
Triple J
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Juice Authority said:
I think you will find there is very little science showing the products are effective anabolics from a bodybuilding perspective. The guy used the science very selectively to push his products, his claims really had very little merit, and in the market-place this was proven. There was also some leucine-valine blah blah amino that the science on cattle showed would be a super supplement. Like OKG, the product was being pushed as the next big thing in anabolic nutrition and did not do shit for for anyone. At the same time he was slamming creatine and vanadyl, products which actually worked, as being bogus and without scientific backing, and even being dangerous. And there were more examples, too if I could remember cause the guy used to write for MD or whatever rag that was owned by Twinlab for a time. The guy just lost all credibility with me.
Now take this article, for instance. It is very one-sided, is it not? scare tactics. I do not like being manipulated like that. Typical of this guy's garbage. Reminds me of your other buddy that used to be around here.
J
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Triple J said:
Who might that be?
DJ_UFO
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2 Things.
You can look at those old athletes and bodybuilders that didn't know how to cycle "safely"
and/or you can look actual pro bodybuilders that know what are they doing to their bodies but they are paying with their health to achieve their goals and their dreams.
Plus you have the always present fact that "everybody reatcs different". So, actually we have hundreds of thousands of young people students, athletes, models people like we that cycle safely taking precautions. But actually we are not medical targets. Researchers and doctors look at big guys like Coleman, Cutler, ElSombaty, they probably have their hearts and liver fucked up, like the old guys that used seroids constantly, without stoping, without protectors and in the incorrect doses.
You can look at those old athletes and bodybuilders that didn't know how to cycle "safely"
and/or you can look actual pro bodybuilders that know what are they doing to their bodies but they are paying with their health to achieve their goals and their dreams.
Plus you have the always present fact that "everybody reatcs different". So, actually we have hundreds of thousands of young people students, athletes, models people like we that cycle safely taking precautions. But actually we are not medical targets. Researchers and doctors look at big guys like Coleman, Cutler, ElSombaty, they probably have their hearts and liver fucked up, like the old guys that used seroids constantly, without stoping, without protectors and in the incorrect doses.
Triple J
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yes, exactly if you believe colgan's position we would be dropping like flies. just take what he says about mexican sources. its just another piece of anti-steroid hysterics with some psuedo-scientific references, and from an authoritarian perspective, that get cycled about every so many years. he is using his position to lead the sheep, cause sheep can be easily led. oftentimes it may be to the slaughterhouse, but in this case, he is saving us from ourselves. thanks dr. colgan. oh and I am sure glad I laid off that creatine and vanadyl you warned me about, too
