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hahahahaaha !!!!!!!!
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digimon7068
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and the democratic party is for cocksuckers...so there...nanner-nanner, neener-neener! 
mrplunkey
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and the democratic party is for cocksuckers...so there...nanner-nanner, neener-neener!
Tea Partiers fall for $300,000 scams.
Libtards fall for $20+B (Organic Foods) and $10+B (Carbon Credits) scams.
It's just a matter of scale.
digimon7068
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i was just being a wiseass...i refuse to blindly follow any-damn-one...and i don't think any of them give a hairy rat's ass about me and mine.
bayoumuscle21
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Well I can't understand Obama supporters yea lets have this jobs bill that we have done before that didn't work that put us only 4 billion more in the hole... Tax the rich because we support communism I mean what is this? What happened to the American dream of the individual? Can't wait for him to lose to whoever
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The view from down under is that this GOP nomination race is only mildly entertaining. Sarah Palin would have been so much more fun.
For laughs I would like to see Cain get the nomination, just to see the look on Romney's face when he does. Nobody likes Romney, I think even the Republicans don't like him.
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For laughs I would like to see Cain get the nomination, just to see the look on Romney's face when he does. Nobody likes Romney, I think even the Republicans don't like him.
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javaguru
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That was an interesting watch..particularly the Newt part. The current occupant of Pennsylvania Avenue wrote two autobiographies before he was fifty having accomplished nothing on the national level...Who is the self-promoting douchebag? After all, he started running for POTUS ten minutes after he was elected to national office; The scariest part is that most of the Repubs are more qualified for POTUS than Barry when he ran for office....Sarah was more qualified than Barry....
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mccain got in too deep and realized that he didn't want the job of carrying the stinking bag of poo (that the CLINTON administration created) for the next 4 years...so he looked around until he found palin...then he threw himself on that sword...game over...she was/is dumber than a box of rocks and he picked her because he knew it would not be an unpopular pick (his plan wouldn't be obvious) and he knew that she would open her mouth and bury them both...and, if she wanted to impress me, she should have done a better job of being a mom (the most important, least appreciated and most often fucked up, job in the WORLD).
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javaguru
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Welcome to the one party machine...Repubs and Dems are just two wings of the same party....
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lartinos
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Ron Paul should be our next president.
I will be upset if anyone else gets it.
I will be upset if anyone else gets it.
digimon7068
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i predict that you are going to be upset...
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Newt Gingrich has catapulted to the front of the race for the 2012 Republican nomination while Herman Cain has lost ground with GOP primary voters. Mitt Romney, once again, is holding steady.
Read more: Fox News Poll: Gingrich And Romney Top GOP Nominee Picks | Fox News
mrplunkey
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He's got a decent shot at at least delaying the disastrous course we're on now.
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mrplunkey
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I'm knot -- but my operating profits are.
After 8 years of GWB you are going to blame the state of the nation on a person that hadn't been president for almost a decade? That's the damn problem with this nation. Zero accountability. I just don't get the spectator sport mentality your side/ my side bullshit most of you fall into. This isnt a damn game. But the way most of you treat it as such allows for our leaders on both sides to continue fucking us over. It's sickening.
He's going to undo the Bush tax cuts?
mrplunkey
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Yeah, that would fix everything!
Soon you'll be able to raise taxes to 80% -- and probably collect 5-15% at best.
Effective jan 1 2012, I support 90% marginal tax rates on everyone making more than $2,500 per year!
redsamurai
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what? dude most of the local organic farming movement around here is being funded by local catholic charities. The tea party people up here are big organic food honks. You need to put the JTC matt away squids.
redsamurai
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Yes that is an old saying, for an era long past. Nowadays people with advanced degrees get fooled all the time, the world has become to complex for "buyer beware".
mrplunkey
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Cool! As long as I'm the one unraveling the complexity to suit my needs, I'm ok with that thought.
But if someone else gets to make those calls, then count me out.
agreed..
question me this... what age is the largest voting group in the usa??
see... those that do not learn from the past are doomed to relive it..
It would fix some things.
It would fix more than confiscating the entire incomes and estates of the lower 40-45% of Americans.
mrplunkey
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How about not confiscating either and just spending less?
We're trying to fix a crack addiction with more crack. It won't work.
javaguru
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Fixed for you...Shrub isn't POTUS and Barry owned them when he agreed they should be continued.
Also, the feds lost more tax revenue from people making less than 250k a year from the Bush/Obama tax cuts than those evil rich bastards that don't pay their fair share...even though they pay 80% of the income taxes.
Stands to reason since they make 80% of the income.
mrplunkey
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Someday we might get lucky and get rid of all those folks.
Oh my you're an endangered species! Quelle horror!
Your frequent trips into hyperbole and reductio ad absurdium do nothing for your credibility.
There's a simple reason why we look to the rich whenever we're looking to increase tax revenues, it's because that's where most of the money is. The idea that we must mollycoddle the "job creators" is bullshit and you know it; the top marginal rate for Personal Income has zero effect on job creation. No one is talking about soaking them or taxing them out of existence. Raising the top rate back to 39% isn't going to change the lifestyle of any of the >$250K earners.
mrplunkey
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Starting Jan 2012, the species soakus plunkius will be extinct.
Really? Of the total cost of the Bush/Obama tax cuts, breaks to the over $250,000 earners are a minority of the cost. If raising taxes are such a great idea, why not raise taxes across the board? It's awfully convenient that you're in favor of tax plans that don't impact you personally.
Nor would eliminating all of the Bush/Obama tax cuts across the board. If raising taxes are such a great idea, why do you oppose a shared sacrifice?
How would you feel about your taxes going up 5%? You'd be fine with it, wouldn't you?
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Starting Jan 2012, the species soakus plunkius will be extinct.
I'll be homo something
I forget
mrplunkey
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Here's a breakdown of the last extension of the Bush tax cuts:
Total two year cost: $544.3 billion
For families making less than $250,000: $463 billion (including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
For families making over $250,000: $81.5 billion
It's incredibly hypocritical that you want to collect the $81.5B but ignore the $463B. If you really want revenue, let's go where the real money is -- the < $250k/year group.
Total two year cost: $544.3 billion
For families making less than $250,000: $463 billion (including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
For families making over $250,000: $81.5 billion
It's incredibly hypocritical that you want to collect the $81.5B but ignore the $463B. If you really want revenue, let's go where the real money is -- the < $250k/year group.
redsamurai
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it's a volume argument, those people are living paycheck to paycheck....even some of them making 60+ if they got too large a family. A millionaire can pay 390k in taxes and still have plenty left over for his mansion and mercedes. How do you not get this? People are going into debt to put their kids through school and pay for their medical/dental, let alone decent food. Nobody is suggesting simply raising taxes is going to solve anything because if we don't decrease our spending we can't raise taxes enough on anybody to cover it. We just can't cut enough spending so that the current revenue stream stays in place, I wish we could but as we've pointed out here many times.....lots of people are for cutting stuff as long as they don't care about what's being cut.
I'm looking at you Squiddly
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1) We can't cut spending at all. Raising anyone's taxes is absolute hypocrisy until our out-of-control government demonstrates at least two years of fiscal restraint. And by fiscal restraint I mean 10%, 20% or even 25% cuts -- and not these phoney cuts in the growth rate. I mean real cuts based on the previous year's spending. Tax now and cut later won't cut it anymore.
2) And if taxes are such a priority, then we should share the sacrifice. And there's a wide band of people who could afford to pay more, not just the $250+ crowd. That's just a convenient number for drawing class warfare lines.
redsamurai
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Have you checked the economy lately? It's not class warfare, it's people don't have jobs. And the ones that do are month to month in whether they'll be let go. The people making that 250k plus range are the people who have the stable income. That's just pragmaticism, not class warfare.
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The people in the 250k plus range are the ones diverting income out of this country and reducing the overall number of jobs.
And as long as this class warfare rhetoric continues, they'll continue to divert more income and reduce more jobs.
The rhetoric is what causes outsourcing???
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The rhetoric causes several things:
1) Increased aggressiveness toward tax mitigation -- which incorporates the flight of jobs, capital and marketing focus overseas.
2) Increased aggressiveness toward regulatory cost mitigation -- which incorporates the flight of jobs, capital and marketing focus overseas.
So yup, it sure does. Our brilliant president has spent the last three and a half years scaring the hell out of job creators and it has undermined both the jobs and tax base in this country in both the short and long term.
redsamurai
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plunkey your argument holds no water because jobs have been leaving the country even after they got their bush tax whacks. In fact that's when it really started to take off. Would you be in favor of some sort of legislation then that holds these corporations/people to the fire? If I was president for instance i'd say fine, you can get your 10% tax rate when you bring back every job you outsourced and keep em. You know full well companies like Nike woudl be like fine, we'll continue paying the 35%.
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Barry is welcome to threaten and denigrate employers all he wants -- just don't act surprised when they react.
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Outsourcing started taking-off in the 70's. What we are seeing now is the outsourcing of more white collar jobs and the outsourcing of markets. For example with us right now, asking for a personnel add (a new position, not a replacement hire) in the US simply isn't going to happen. Not only would I veto it, but I'd seriously question the competence of a manager whose judgement is poor enough to even let me see it. But if our guy in Brazil wanted a new person, or even our guys in Europe, they'd get the requisition approved with same-day service.
1) You'd never be able to measure and manage a system like that.
2) I'm against anything that restricts global commerce.
3) A 10% rate won't be competitive for long in the face of our increasing regulations and out-of-control tort system.
Nike will continue to do what other clever global companies do -- leave profits in overseas subsidiaries.
redsamurai
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aaaha, so even 10% taxes, let's be honest, that's just too damn much...is that correct? <facepalm>
This is exactly what the poeple in zucotti park are talking about. YOu have your cake and eat it too mother fucker.
This is exactly what the poeple in zucotti park are talking about. YOu have your cake and eat it too mother fucker.
mrplunkey
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In the face of our escalating tort system and escalating regulation, even 10% won't be competitive much longer.
I'm sure the news hurts your feelings, but it doesn't make it any less real. The US will either face this reality or its steady decline will continue. The rest of the world is a mess right now, which is really the only thing we've got going for us -- we're the tallest dwarf at the picnic.
redsamurai
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so zero percent? will that make us "competitive"?
C'mon be real. So you don't even want to hold these "so called" job creators to the fire, just dont' tax em....even if they don't create a single job here in the states. Just let em do business here and let em move all the money they make here overses. Ahhh, why do i care anymore?
C'mon be real. So you don't even want to hold these "so called" job creators to the fire, just dont' tax em....even if they don't create a single job here in the states. Just let em do business here and let em move all the money they make here overses. Ahhh, why do i care anymore?
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If Barry wants his massive regulation and we continue to let torts run out of control then yes, the difference would have to be made-up in taxation. Does that mean a 10% rate? A 7% rate? A 5% rate? That I don't know.
But the obvious answer would be to massively deregulate, limit torts and then find a globally competitive taxation rate.
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the patern is full.
Horrible ideas, here's why.
To me it seems that regulations as they are, only regulate competition out of the free market. The people throwing the money aroudn washington aren't the ones "really" affected by regulations anyway. Two...the regulations that are in place do seem to be the only thing in the way of utter system wide corruption that would topple this society within months. I don't like em but face it, american are basically corrupt mongrels who spend their waking hours figuring out new and inventive ways to lie, steal and cheat one system or another. Doesn't matter what field you're in, from a professional athlete to a wall street broker. Liars, cheats and thiefs. That's who we are. Deregulating the market only makes us a more complete sandbox in which to launch shit at each other. Or more like my EF analogy...a primate enclosure. Who can poop in their hands the quickest and the most.....wins!!!
redsamurai
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indisputable
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Then how can you act even mildly surprised when the regulated gets in bed with the regulators?
According to your theory, every regulatory system is completely corrupt because "Doesn't matter what field you're in, from a professional athlete to a wall street broker. Liars, cheats and thiefs. That's who we are."
So why are you against reducing corruption?
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mrplunkey
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Well you've already established that "Doesn't matter what field you're in, from a professional athlete to a wall street broker. Liars, cheats and thiefs. That's who we are."
So what are you proposing? Robot regulators?
I can't believe you'd put "liars, cheats and thieves" in charge of so much of our economy.
redsamurai
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robot regulators? well........i dunno. Artificial intelligence probably not because such AI would be too dogmatic and probably would come to despise us quickly. However some simple software that can only be changed via a nationwide vote.....maybe you're on to something.
lols...honestly I don't know, but it's the conversation that has to happen. It really has to happen on a global scale, not just here in the states.
lols...honestly I don't know, but it's the conversation that has to happen. It really has to happen on a global scale, not just here in the states.
mrplunkey
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Absolutely! Let's take a corruption-filled situation we can't get 300M Americans to agree upon and instead sort it out across 7B people.
You're on a roll tonight for great ideas! It's genius I tell you! Genius!
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redsamurai
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mrplunkey
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we're off the planet soon if we don't.
I strongly suspect you've already left.
good Fucking post. Now type it in smaller bullet chunks for Squidly can understand them.
dly to understand.
javaguru
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So the 48% that don't pay income taxes had zero income ...Just sayin'.
I really don't have a problem with a progressive tax system but it should be flat...I don't see why I should be subsidizing people that choose to buy a house or choose to have children...It's almost ironic the Michael Moore's of the world try to use every legal option and tax exemption while railing against big corporations that are just doing the same thing.
I agree with Barry that everyone needs to pay their fair share and the revenue generated from the expiration of the Barry/Bush tax cuts will come primarily from those making under 250k a year...
The United States is at a crossroads...
"A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul." – George Bernard Shaw
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." – Tacitus
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." – George Washington
Not really, where does it benefit me to work hours once i've achieved $250k in salary?? should i take the rest of the year off?? cause that's where we are at... unless i defer $$$ into retirement accounts and whole life policies, I simply stop paying my employees... and since they are on contract and not employees, they simply go 3-4 months without income..
Should I expand?? should I pay more $$$ for medical and receive less in income per dollar earned?? Is my risk any smaller?? NO.. so screw em, i'm not in the world to work simply for the point of creating jobs for others who refuse to accept risk.
In short i'm already semi retired and have no desire to work 80 hours a week again even if it means helping others.. sound cynical?? I am and I'm not going to pay for people unwilling to "show up for work" to have cell phones, computers and internet access along with free medical, dental, and food, free education......
It's wrong, simply wrong..
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Yes you will pay moar and so will Plunkey
and I'll be latched on Uncle Sugar's leg riding the gravy train
just sayin'
True. It's a double standard of the mainstream media conglomerate. It's ok to let Bush looks stupid but be sure to shy away from that with Obama.
The aircraft was large, modern and considered among the world's safest. But that night it was flying straight into a huge thunderstorm. Turbulence was extreme, and airspeed indicators may not have been functioning properly. Worse, the pilots were incompetent. As the plane threatened to stall they panicked by pointing the nose up, losing speed when they ought to have done the opposite. It was all over in minutes.
Was this the fate of Flight 447, the Air France jet that plunged mysteriously into the Atlantic a couple of years ago? Could be. What I'm talking about here is the Obama presidency.
When it comes to piloting, Barack Obama seems to think he's the political equivalent of Charles Lindbergh, Chuck Yeager and—in a "Fly Me to the Moon" sort of way—Nat King Cole rolled into one. "I think I'm a better speech writer than my speech writers," he reportedly told an aide in 2008. "I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I'll tell you right now that I'm . . . a better political director than my political director."
On another occasion—at the 2004 Democratic convention—Mr. Obama explained to a Chicago Tribune reporter that "I'm LeBron, baby. I can play at this level. I got game."
Of course, it's tempting to be immodest when your admirers are so immodest about you. How many times have we heard it said that Mr. Obama is the smartest president ever? Even when he's criticized, his failures are usually chalked up to his supposed brilliance. Liberals say he's too cerebral for the Beltway rough-and-tumble; conservatives often seem to think his blunders, foreign and domestic, are all part of a cunning scheme to turn the U.S. into a combination of Finland, Cuba and Saudi Arabia.
I don't buy it. I just think the president isn't very bright.
Socrates taught that wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know. Mr. Obama is perpetually intent on telling us how much he knows. Aristotle wrote that the type of intelligence most needed in politics is prudence, which in turn requires experience. Mr. Obama came to office with no experience. Plutarch warned that flattery "makes itself an obstacle and pestilence to great houses and great affairs." Today's White House, more so than any in memory, is stuffed with flatterers.
Much is made of the president's rhetorical gifts. This is the sort of thing that can be credited only by people who think that a command of English syntax is a mark of great intellectual distinction. Can anyone recall a memorable phrase from one of Mr. Obama's big speeches that didn't amount to cliché? As for the small speeches, such as the one we were kept waiting 50 minutes for yesterday, we get Triple-A bromides about America remaining a "Triple-A country." Which, when it comes to long-term sovereign debt, is precisely what we no longer are under Mr. Obama.
Then there is Mr. Obama as political tactician. He makes predictions that prove false. He makes promises he cannot honor. He raises expectations he cannot meet. He reneges on commitments made in private. He surrenders positions staked in public. He is absent from issues in which he has a duty to be involved. He is overbearing when he ought to be absent. At the height of the financial panic of 1907, Teddy Roosevelt, who had done much to bring the panic about by inveighing against big business, at least had the good sense to stick to his bear hunt and let J.P. Morgan sort things out. Not so this president, who puts a new twist on an old put-down: Every time he opens his mouth, he subtracts from the sum total of financial capital.
Then there's his habit of never trimming his sails, much less tacking to the prevailing wind. When Bill Clinton got hammered on health care, he reverted to centrist course and passed welfare reform. When it looked like the Iraq war was going to be lost, George Bush fired Don Rumsfeld and ordered the surge.
Mr. Obama, by contrast, appears to consider himself immune from error. Perhaps this explains why he has now doubled down on Heckuva Job Geithner. It also explains his insulting and politically inept habit of suggesting—whether the issue is health care, or Arab-Israeli peace, or change we can believe in at some point in God's good time—that the fault always lies in the failure of his audiences to listen attentively. It doesn't. In politics, a failure of communication is always the fault of the communicator.
Much of the media has spent the past decade obsessing about the malapropisms of George W. Bush, the ignorance of Sarah Palin, and perhaps soon the stupidity of Rick Perry. Nothing is so typical of middling minds than to harp on the intellectual deficiencies of the slightly less smart and considerably more successful.
But it takes actual smarts to understand that glibness and self-belief are not sufficient proof of genuine intelligence. Stupid is as stupid does, said the great philosopher Forrest Gump. The presidency of Barack Obama is a case study in stupid does.
Stephens: Is Obama Smart? - WSJ.com
Another couple points to ponder-
WHO IS BARACK OBAMA? HOW COME NO CLASSMATES OR OLD FRIENDS HAVE COME FORWARD? WHY ARE ALL HIS RECORDS SEALED?
snopes.com: Obama Racism Quotes
bayoumuscle21
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as long as Obama isn't our next president I'm happy I'm tired of communist
We dont. We have Democratic Representative Republic.
But thats being skirted by all the new restrict the vote efforts. So i guess before long we'll really live in a shit hole "communist" "Stalinistic" "Republic".
DrOiD BioNiC EF App!
bayoumuscle21
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Why the ?
mrplunkey
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Yeah, how dare them want someone to produce ID simply to participate in the process of picking the country's leaders!
We have no business interfering with a political ground organization's constitutional right to round up a few illegals and homeless people and help them vote under a dead person's name.
bayoumuscle21
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Great post plunkey!
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mrplunkey
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Holy e-flirt!!!
U jelly?
It's knot like you wood ever slip out of my "bottom bitch" status.
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mrplunkey
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a little
Wood a good spoon session patch things up?
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long as there's no tool touching
mrplunkey
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You asking me to tuck it?
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bayoumuscle21
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Haha I agree and it's flirting? that's a little pathetic
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