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The DNP/Captopril/YBURN/BROMO stack.

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If one were to stack all these for some hardcore permanant fat loss, how would it best be done? I cant use and ECA (i dont think) because of a developed problem while i was on it.
Anything else to add in?
 
bigrand,

1. would probably use captopril and bromo post DNP..

2. might sub selegine/piracetam/hydergine/n-acetyl-tyrosine stack for bromo.. but it is a matter of preference.

3. would use anavar or win post dnp

4. the addition of an aromatase inhbitor, even at low doses.. beneficial.. throughout

will add more :p
 
how does this look:

Captopril: 50 - 100mg/night
Bromo: 2.5 - 5mg/ED
Yohimburn: 1x/ED
Liquidex: 0.25mg/ED
Var: 40mg/ED
DNP: 250 - 500mg/ED for as long as I can stand it

do the doses look alright? currently 6' 200lbs looking to lose some abdominal and chest fat. fairly lean everywhere else.

would meridia: 10 - 15mg/ED be a good addition or a waste?

would NYC, ECA or clen be a wise addition? (i think i read on this board that it wasnt' recommended with the bromo)
 
Damn MAc, you opened a can of fuckin worms. That stack you mentioned stupifies me.

I was planning on running the DNP at a low dose (make sure i dont react bad, even with quercertin) for an extended period of time. Also using Yburn to release the alpha fat so i can get cooked by the DNP. WHy wait to add the cap and bromo? If i start the cap while on DNP, wont it be harder to get alpha fat back cuz im burning it off and woth the Yburn?

(((selegine/piracetam/hydergine/n-acetyl-tyrosine )))---ill look into those

Im gonna be getting some bol and winny, soon as my source gets back, or i find another around here to get sust...
Should i wait to cut till i can run the AAS imediatly after?
Aromitase inhibitor....would a receptor blocker do? Just curious as to why this would be needed during this cutting cycle, no extra estrogen being produced....
 
do any suppliers carry Captopril? i've seen a few online pharmacies that have it, but that is some pretty expensive stuff
 
If i am basically wrapping up a diet and at about 2.5% BF would it be a good idea to use bromo and/or Capoten post-diet

anything else---coming off D, YoHCL, EC, Tyr, et. al.??
 
2.5%BF? Are you sure your not dead?
I think Bromo will help with the rebound after the diet (stopping leptin). The Captopril will be good to change receptor sites to the point where you wont redeposit fat in certian areas?
 
ascension2001 said:
If i am basically wrapping up a diet and at about 2.5% BF would it be a good idea to use bromo and/or Capoten post-diet

anything else---coming off D, YoHCL, EC, Tyr, et. al.??
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You're not at 2.5% BF...sorry :(
 
ascension2001 said:
If i am basically wrapping up a diet and at about 2.5% BF would it be a good idea to use bromo and/or Capoten post-diet

anything else---coming off D, YoHCL, EC, Tyr, et. al.??
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EAT SOMETHING!!
 
Been looking into selegine/piracetam/hydergine/n-acytyl-tyrosine........Selegine looks like it might replace bromo.
Piracetam and hygergine are both brain drugs, i didnt really find any reason to add them, i am also a little hesitant to add anything that might substantially fuck with the neurotransmitters (anxiety problem).
Need to look into the tyrosine more.


So far, it looks like this....
200mg DNP ED for 20-40 days
Yburn 1/4 pippete on love handles before cardio
captopril 50-100mg ED
Selegine ??

Start all of them at the same time and run the cap and sele for 3 months.....

Rough draft.

Mac, any comments or more additions yet?
 
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piracetam makes me feel stoned if i combine it with powerdrive...dunno with what ingredient it is interacting, but it is not cool at all. powerdrive contains:

L-Tyrosine 3,000milligrams

Phosphatidylcholine 1,000 milligrams

DMAE 200 milligrams

Ginkgo Biloba 200milligrams

Vitamin B6 20 milligrams


really sorta funny. i mix two "smart drugs" and feel baked.
 
ripper2 said:
how does this look:

Captopril: 50 - 100mg/night
Bromo: 2.5 - 5mg/ED
Yohimburn: 1x/ED
Liquidex: 0.25mg/ED
Var: 40mg/ED
DNP: 250 - 500mg/ED for as long as I can stand it
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would meridia: 10 - 15mg/ED be a good addition or a waste?

would NYC or ECA be a wise addition? (i think i read on this board that it wasnt' recommended with the bromo) how about Clen once the DNP is stopped?
 
maybe we could find two "baked' drugs and combine them and get all smart and shit? lol
on a serious note, im taking the bar exam soon. whats the best smart drugs out there? anyone ever hear of this "brainquicken" sheeit?? its also been sold as "bodyquicken" to athletes, supposedly increasing physical speed as well as mental. anyone???
 
Trade in the Captopril for some Zestril (20mg), it does work, I had great results with it. If you prefer Captopril, which is pretty harsh, you should use 50-100mg everyday for two months before even thinking of using the dnp, the reason is that captopril will only begin to exert its effects on a2 receptors after this time period. At this time I would run low dose dnp at 200mg everyday, I don't understand why someone would want to use more than that anyway, yeah it increases the fat loss but it also makes you feel like shit, @ 200mg you will hardly feel anything but it will be working. After two months on the zestril then you should also start the yohimburn (while continuing the zestril.) You ARE going to need some sort of beta agonist here, if you can't use ECA, try Albuterol at 4mg a day. You need a beta agonist to set things in motion, plain and simple. As for the bromocriptine, its effects on bw are negated with the use of a beta agonist, at least that is what Lyle M wrote in his book, which is a great read by the way. So skip the bromo for the time being.
Having said all that, with the availability of liquidex on the net, I really don't understand why someone would want to still use ace inhibitors, and I really do not understand the obsession with yohimbine (your body catches on very quickly with this stuff, and just cause it is topical does not mean it is going to hang around your fat deposits, it gets to the blood quickly.) The true culprit is ESTROGEN, liquidex eliminates it, and consequently with time will cause a2 down regulation, which is what you want anyway.
I think the best option is to use liquidex for about a month and then add in the dnp and albuterol, if you really want, try the yohimbine, I don't think it will hurt. Hope this helps!
 
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I wouldnt use Captopril. %1 of people who use it get
agranulocytosis...which means your white blood cell counts get
all fucked up and can be life threatening.

if you want an ACE inhibitor then use low dose Zestril, Prinivil or Vasotec....better yet..forget the ACE inhibitors...

Trust me on this one..I'm a pharmacist.
 
Zestril, Prinivil or Vasotec
I take it these three all have the same effect on A2 receptors as Captopril?
So Gambit, what kind of cycle would you advise? Doses and duration?
 
Pittsburgh*
I feel the same way about the ACE inhibitors, but if someone is going to use something, I prefer Zestril. I am not a pharmacist, just a junior Pharmacology student.

Bigrand
The studies on a2 down regulation have only been done with capoten. capoten works by inhibiting angiotensin 2, which should be (by definition) characteristic of all ace inhibitors. I have used zestril with better results than I anticipated, but it did come with sides. Basically my blood pressure was way too low while using this stuff, in hindsight I should have been juicing at the time in hopes of the two cancelling each other out in that regard. so i would recommend 20mg zestril ed for two months to allow the drug to take effect and then an all out assault on fat. DNP (if you don't have anything against it), beta-agonist (i think clen sucks, but that is just what I have seen in my body,) yohimbine cream and low dose (12.5mcg) cytomel.

Again i feel that with all the potent and affordable anti-aromatases out there today that all the above is unnecesary, i did the zestril thing about five years ago after a phone consultation with Dan Duchaine. I really believe if he was still around he would be saying the same thing about anti-aromatases, at the time this theory on ace inhibitors was being developed the best thing around was teslac, which was impossible to get and even if you could, impossible to afford. the only other thing they had was Cytadren which isn't a selective inhibitor therfore not ideal. hope this helps!
 
bigrand, i do not know if you really give a shit but you seem interested in the subject so i'll tell you my current cycle.
winstrol 50mg ed
arimidex 1mg ed
eca stack

that is it, plain and simple. by blocking both progesterone and estrogen you will see great results as far as fat loss. it would be interesting to see what effect bromo would have on all this as it does decrease prolactin levels which will make you fat also (BUT NOT CAUSE GYNO.) just remember no beta agonist with the bromocriptine.
 
Very interested Gambit.....
So aromitase inhibitors will have the same basic effects as captopril? Downregulation of the A2 receptor? If so, how long does it take. ACE inhibitors would be usless if the Aromatase inhibitors did the same thing....
 
Yes, I agree, ace inhibitors would be useless if aromatase inhibitors did the same thing. I feel they could do it better. ace inhibitors take two months minimum to produce results. by inhibiting angiotensin 2, ace inhibitors prevent the formation of certain alpha 2 receptors, this is because angiotensin is required for the formation of alpha receptors. this is the small picture in my opinion, the big picture being estrogen. this is the number one cause of an increase in a2 receptors, hence higher bodyfat in females. all ace inhibitors would therefore do would is prevent estrogen from doing its thing. why waste your time with that when you could effectively eliminate estrogen with today's drugs? estrogen is the main culprit in all of this, stop it and everything else will fall into place.
bigrand, I'd be happy to answer any questions, so feel free
 
gambit7666 said:
Trade in the Captopril for some Zestril (20mg), it does work, I had great results with it. If you prefer Captopril, which is pretty harsh, you should use 50-100mg everyday for two months before even thinking of using the dnp, the reason is that captopril will only begin to exert its effects on a2 receptors after this time period. At this time I would run low dose dnp at 200mg everyday, I don't understand why someone would want to use more than that anyway, yeah it increases the fat loss but it also makes you feel like shit, @ 200mg you will hardly feel anything but it will be working. After two months on the captopril then you should also start the yohimburn and continue with the zestril. You ARE going to need some sort of beta agonist here, if you can't use ECA, try Albuterol at 4mg a day. You need a beta agonist to set things in motion, plain and simple. As for the bromocriptine, its effects on bw are negated with the use of a beta agonist, at least that is what Lyle M wrote in his book, which is a great read by the way. So skip the bromo for the time being.
Having said all that, with the availability of liquidex on the net, I really don't understand why someone would want to still use ace inhibitors, and I really do not understand the obsession with yohimbine (your body catches on very quickly with this stuff, and just cause it is topical does not mean it is going to hang around your fat deposits, it gets to the blood quickly.) The true culprit is ESTROGEN, liquidex eliminates it, and consequently with time will cause a2 down regulation, which is what you want anyway.
I think the best option is to use liquidex for about a month and then add in the dnp and albuterol, if you really want, try the yohimbine, I don't think it will hurt. Hope this helps!
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Damn bro.....NICE RESPONSE:D
 
Thanx for all the insight Gambit.

How long does it take for downregulation of A2 receptors using say 2.5mg femara a day or 1mg Ldex a day?
Im curious as to how permanant this it.......will it totally change ones receptor make up so where they wont deposit estrogenic fat, or is it a temporary but very effective way to loose estro fat?
 
gambit7666 said:
Yes, I agree, ace inhibitors would be useless if aromatase inhibitors did the same thing. I feel they could do it better. ace inhibitors take two months minimum to produce results. by inhibiting angiotensin 2, ace inhibitors prevent the formation of certain alpha 2 receptors, this is because angiotensin is required for the formation of alpha receptors. this is the small picture in my opinion, the big picture being estrogen. this is the number one cause of an increase in a2 receptors, hence higher bodyfat in females. all ace inhibitors would therefore do would is prevent estrogen from doing its thing. why waste your time with that when you could effectively eliminate estrogen with today's drugs? estrogen is the main culprit in all of this, stop it and everything else will fall into place.
bigrand, I'd be happy to answer any questions, so feel free
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Don't you think, that in the case of females, ACE inhibitors might be preferable...wouldn't elimination of estrogen have bad consequences for the ladies?
 
JibbyJabba
absolutely. in fact the whole thing about ace inhibitors was probably designed for women.

bigrand
you should start to see notably results within one month. as to the permanence of the fat loss, it is no more permanent than any other fat loss, but should be more pronounced. as long as you stay clean with your diet and consistent with your training, you shouldn't gain the weight back with the discontinuance of the anti-aromatase
 
I was under the impression that once the receptor make up was changed, the body would have much less A2 receptors and therefore gain and store fat differently than before (not in estrogenic fat patterns, and much easier to get rid of if you get it).
I guess im still unsure of exactly what happens to the receptors and what it means in the long run??....
 
with estrogen eliminated or angiotensin II inhibited a2 receptors will decrease in the body because they are not "being supported." when you discontinue an anti-aromatase or an ace inhibitor eventually your body chemistry will return to normal and so will your a2 receptors, there is unfortunately no magic effect that causes permanent down regulation. treatment with said compounds is just like treatment with any other compounds, they only produce effects when they are administered, not after.
 
Sooooooooo, hows this?

I have 2 plans, a cutting cycle (most likley AAS free) and a bulking cycle (Sust, dbol and winny).

I think ill bulk first, then go 1 month on ldex then begin DNP. What would be a good replacement to an eca that i could use (anxiety problems). I will also use Yburn while starting the DNP
Should i just save the winny till i use the DNP?
 
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take the ldex with the sust/d mix, skip the winstrols till' later and also try and throw in some fina with the wisnstrol, it will make a huge difference and is cheap enough. if you do not use the ldex in the beginning cycle your e levels will never go down in a month. maybe try and trade in the sus for some shorter acting test, even cypionate which has a decent half life is short in duration compared to sus. this is of course irrelevant if you are going to use ldex the WHOLE time. if you use ldex throughout your whole first part then I would start the dnp two weeks after cessation of the test/dbol and the start of the winstrol. as far as a beta agonist, albuterol tabs at 4mg per day will work just fine. you can get them and several other decent products at medmex.com
 
Cant find medmex.com
I dont use anti-es while on AAS, i dont need them, i dont have problems. If i cycled without them, how long after cycle ends should i wait to start lden then DNP?
 
Sorry bout' that it is medsmex.com

I am confused about your response. you don't need anti-e's while taking test? if you aren't experiencing sides associated with test, then you are probably already quite lean. heavy guys will almost always get estrogen related side effects with testosterone. so before i can say anything, get back to me with some further details.
 
Well, i was running 600mg testcyp a week along with 50-75mg dbol a day and didnt have that much water retention, and no problems with the nipples. I use nolva if i dont need it. I think the only problem estrogen related is love handle fat and titty fat (kindy saggy from loosing a lot of weight over the past 2 years as well).
I figure i can run the cycle, stop the test after 8-10 weeks then run winny an extra 2. How long after my last shot of test will my E levels in the body be at a point where i could begin downregulation of the A2 receptors?
 
I still think that you should run an anti-aromatase with the test. even if it is only .5mg ldex eod. you say run the winny for an extra two weeks, when exactly do you plan on starting it? you'd probably be better off running the winny after the test, the anabolic effect will be of great use while coming off the test and it is not too hard on your hpta, plus the anti-progesteronic effects will help with your fat loss. so how long after your last shot of test do you have to wait, it really depends on what you do while taking the test. if you run ldex at 1mg ed and continue to do so after your last shot of test, you should be good to go right after the test ends. if you wait till after your last shot of test to run the ldex then i'd say 3-4 weeks (this is honestly just a guess, although i think that it is safe to say that this duration will be sufficient.) judging by what you said about your fat, you'd almost definitely benefit from the use of bromocriptine at 5mg ed, first thing in the am. just remember, no beta-agonists. if you try the bromo, remember that it is not an instant gratification drug, you should however receive overall better results with its use
 
well, here is the plan as of now.......

Test cyp 400mg/week weeks 1-8 (i only posess 2 vials and they are underfilled, so it will last exactly 8 weeks)

Dbol 50mg/day weeks 1-5

Winny 50mg/day weeks 6-12. Maybe longer if my liver will take it.

I have some nolva (i will use it for the hpta instead of clomid, it fucks with my head too much). And i can get Ldex and bromo. Already got enough DNP to go 20 days at 200mg.

So could i begin running the ldex at week, say, 10 and do the DNP after i finish the winny?
Where would i throw in the bromo (and how much/day)?

Woooo, this is getting complicated, but i like it!
 
I would start the ldex at week 8 and i would also run the winstrol from weeks 9-15, instead of 6-12. according to the numbers you have 350 dianabol, why not just spread them out over the first 8 weeks, 50mg ed is a lot, if you spread them out it would bring the dose down to about 35mg a day which is more than enough. as far as the bromocriptine, the sooner the better, 5mg ed first thing in the am. bromocriptine is a drug that can be used all the time, it will help stay leaner when bulking up and it'll help you shed more fat when dieting. i really recommend lyle mcdonalds e book to anybody interested in this drug, or even just about the entire weightloss puzzle, this book is very informative. ok, i am getting confused now from having to look down on previous posts, so i am going to make it easy on myself and just write out what i would do if i had your drugs, so to speak.
Weeks 1-8
Dbol 35mg ed
test 400mg week
Ldex, i would use it the whole time, but for you i'd start at week 7 and continue on (1mg ed)
bromo 5mg ed
weeks 9-15
winstrol 50mg ed
bromo 5mg ed
ldex 1mg eod
dnp start at week 11 and continue for 20 days

as far as the nolvadex, i do not know how much you have but i would time it out so that you end two weeks after your last shot of test.
the thing that sucks about anti-e's and anti-aromatases is that you won't get as big as you would otherwise.
 
i will be using 50mg bol, so i can run it about 7 weeks.
Ill use the same plan as you wrote out, minus a week of bol.

So starting the ldex after last week of test (week 8) will be ok?
I wont have a problem with any estrogen buildup from the 8 weeks of test and bol?
 
oh yeah, could i run the ldex at 1mg EOD instead of ED? This way i could probly run it awhile longer (that shit is HELLA FUCKIN EXPENSIVE).
 
bigrand said:
oh yeah, could i run the ldex at 1mg EOD instead of ED? This way i could probly run it awhile longer (that shit is HELLA FUCKIN EXPENSIVE).
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NO.. YOU may not :p.. (well you can try, but from your previous indications.. you have relatively high aromatase levels)

once again JMHO
:alien:
 
Mac, why do you think i have hight aromitase levels? Cuz of my fat distribution?
I dont get any estro sides while on cycle (test and dbol), no nipple problems.....
 
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