The DNP/Captopril/YBURN/BROMO stack.

[gambit7666]

with estrogen eliminated or angiotensin II inhibited a2 receptors will decrease in the body because they are not "being supported." when you discontinue an anti-aromatase or an ace inhibitor eventually your body chemistry will return to normal and so will your a2 receptors, there is unfortunately no magic effect that causes permanent down regulation. treatment with said compounds is just like treatment with any other compounds, they only produce effects when they are administered, not after.

 

[bigrand]

Sooooooooo, hows this?

I have 2 plans, a cutting cycle (most likley AAS free) and a bulking cycle (Sust, dbol and winny).

I think ill bulk first, then go 1 month on ldex then begin DNP. What would be a good replacement to an eca that i could use (anxiety problems). I will also use Yburn while starting the DNP
Should i just save the winny till i use the DNP?

 

[gambit7666]

take the ldex with the sust/d mix, skip the winstrols till' later and also try and throw in some fina with the wisnstrol, it will make a huge difference and is cheap enough. if you do not use the ldex in the beginning cycle your e levels will never go down in a month. maybe try and trade in the sus for some shorter acting test, even cypionate which has a decent half life is short in duration compared to sus. this is of course irrelevant if you are going to use ldex the WHOLE time. if you use ldex throughout your whole first part then I would start the dnp two weeks after cessation of the test/dbol and the start of the winstrol. as far as a beta agonist, albuterol tabs at 4mg per day will work just fine. you can get them and several other decent products at medmex.com

 

[bigrand]

Cant find medmex.com
I dont use anti-es while on AAS, i dont need them, i dont have problems. If i cycled without them, how long after cycle ends should i wait to start lden then DNP?

 

[bigrand]

bump for gambit....

 

[gambit7666]

Sorry bout' that it is medsmex.com

I am confused about your response. you don't need anti-e's while taking test? if you aren't experiencing sides associated with test, then you are probably already quite lean. heavy guys will almost always get estrogen related side effects with testosterone. so before i can say anything, get back to me with some further details.

 

[bigrand]

Well, i was running 600mg testcyp a week along with 50-75mg dbol a day and didnt have that much water retention, and no problems with the nipples. I use nolva if i dont need it. I think the only problem estrogen related is love handle fat and titty fat (kindy saggy from loosing a lot of weight over the past 2 years as well).
I figure i can run the cycle, stop the test after 8-10 weeks then run winny an extra 2. How long after my last shot of test will my E levels in the body be at a point where i could begin downregulation of the A2 receptors?

 

[gambit7666]

I still think that you should run an anti-aromatase with the test. even if it is only .5mg ldex eod. you say run the winny for an extra two weeks, when exactly do you plan on starting it? you'd probably be better off running the winny after the test, the anabolic effect will be of great use while coming off the test and it is not too hard on your hpta, plus the anti-progesteronic effects will help with your fat loss. so how long after your last shot of test do you have to wait, it really depends on what you do while taking the test. if you run ldex at 1mg ed and continue to do so after your last shot of test, you should be good to go right after the test ends. if you wait till after your last shot of test to run the ldex then i'd say 3-4 weeks (this is honestly just a guess, although i think that it is safe to say that this duration will be sufficient.) judging by what you said about your fat, you'd almost definitely benefit from the use of bromocriptine at 5mg ed, first thing in the am. just remember, no beta-agonists. if you try the bromo, remember that it is not an instant gratification drug, you should however receive overall better results with its use

 

[bigrand]

well, here is the plan as of now.......

Test cyp 400mg/week weeks 1-8 (i only posess 2 vials and they are underfilled, so it will last exactly 8 weeks)

Dbol 50mg/day weeks 1-5

Winny 50mg/day weeks 6-12. Maybe longer if my liver will take it.

I have some nolva (i will use it for the hpta instead of clomid, it fucks with my head too much). And i can get Ldex and bromo. Already got enough DNP to go 20 days at 200mg.

So could i begin running the ldex at week, say, 10 and do the DNP after i finish the winny?
Where would i throw in the bromo (and how much/day)?

Woooo, this is getting complicated, but i like it!

 

[gambit7666]

I would start the ldex at week 8 and i would also run the winstrol from weeks 9-15, instead of 6-12. according to the numbers you have 350 dianabol, why not just spread them out over the first 8 weeks, 50mg ed is a lot, if you spread them out it would bring the dose down to about 35mg a day which is more than enough. as far as the bromocriptine, the sooner the better, 5mg ed first thing in the am. bromocriptine is a drug that can be used all the time, it will help stay leaner when bulking up and it'll help you shed more fat when dieting. i really recommend lyle mcdonalds e book to anybody interested in this drug, or even just about the entire weightloss puzzle, this book is very informative. ok, i am getting confused now from having to look down on previous posts, so i am going to make it easy on myself and just write out what i would do if i had your drugs, so to speak.
Weeks 1-8
Dbol 35mg ed
test 400mg week
Ldex, i would use it the whole time, but for you i'd start at week 7 and continue on (1mg ed)
bromo 5mg ed
weeks 9-15
winstrol 50mg ed
bromo 5mg ed
ldex 1mg eod
dnp start at week 11 and continue for 20 days

as far as the nolvadex, i do not know how much you have but i would time it out so that you end two weeks after your last shot of test.
the thing that sucks about anti-e's and anti-aromatases is that you won't get as big as you would otherwise.