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[SPORT SCIENTIST]

Interesting??? I'd love to see Macro or Ulter chime in on this.... could be QUITE and interesting thread!!

Just had a run in with Ulter about esterfied creatine lol!

 

[Ulter]

You're about to have a run it that is going to have you removed from the board.
I'd delete this if I were you.

 

[Ulter]

TheRide I would like to stand there and watch him take that formula. Just to see how long he could keep it down.

 

[TheRide]

TheRide I would like to stand there and watch him take that formula. Just to see how long he could keep it down.

You know me... I'm an AF man to the bone! When are you going to start a "Frequent Flier" program for frequent purchasers?

 

[SPORT SCIENTIST]

You're about to have a run it that is going to have you removed from the board.
I'd delete this if I were you.

Ulcaster, are you for real! I enjoyed our exchange. I gave you credible arguements for my opinions. If you are offended by me calling it a "run in" then thats up to you - you seemed upset that I questioned esterfied creatine; this is why it is a forum - people are entitled to have diferent opinions. I even said that I wished luck with your endeavours. I just found it ironic to see your name after discussing esterfied creatine on your post.
I am sceptical of new creatine products, for the reasons that I gave you, however you have your own opinions, and if you think that people benefit from taking it then good luck to you.

THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH TASTE, IN FACT THE FACTORY PRIDES ITSELF ON EXCELLENT TASTE AND MOUTHFEEL. I may also include some more exotic flavours at a laster date, beyond the usual chocolate, strawberry and vanilla. These can get a little boring, so I was thinking of possibly doing coconut, lemon and lime, mixed Thai fruits and others. Any ideas for a delicious flavour?

ALL BITTER TASTING INGREDIENTS ARE INCLUDED IN CAPSULES, TO BE TAKEN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR EACH PRODUCT - THUS THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH THE INGREDIENTS AFFECTING THE TASTE. THIS WAS DECIDED FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT YOU POINTED OUT, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD STILL BE POSSIBLE FOR THE FLAVOUR TO BE MASKED BY A VERY STRONG CHOCOLATE.

THE CAPSULES ADD GREATER FLEXIBILITY TO THE PRODUCT, BEING AVAILIABLE TO BE BOUGHT SEPARATELY, IF YOU REQUIRE. This means that you can use them with another brand of protein, if you wish to do so.

 

[SPORT SCIENTIST]

I did develop a creatine/ATP product myself, which promises great absorption/bioavailiability (backed by research), with other ATP enhancing benefits. However I am not developing it at this time, as it is my belief that creatine monohydrate taken on its own is sufficient to saturate the muscles with phosphocreatine. I do not want to sell a product that goes against my personal beliefs.

CREATINE FORMULA, as follows:

CREATINE MAGNESIUM CHELATE 10g
ALPHA LIPOIC ACID 200mg
RIBOSE 10g
D-PINITOL 250mg
GLUCOSE 18g
TAURINE 5g
GLUTAMINE 5g

Another formula that is going into development is the Gainer meal:

WHEY PROTEIN ISOLATE/CONCENTRATE 25g
CALCIUM CASSEINATE 15g
BIOPERINE 10mg
CHRONDROITIN SULPHATE 600mg
GLUCOSAMINE SULPHATE 750mg
L-CARNITE L-TARTRATE 1g
BETA-ECDYSTERONE 40mg
CALCIUM D-GLUCARATE (GLUCARIC ACID/CALCIUM GLUCARATE/D-GLUCO 1-4 LACTATE) 200mg
DIINDOLYMETHANE (DIM) (within an absorption enhancing formula) 200mg (50mg pure DIM)
PROBIOTICS/PREBIOTICS Each serving to contain more than 1 billion bacteria
RHODIOLA ROSEA 150mg
L-ALPHA GPC (glycerylphosphorylcholine)-derived from soy lecithin 400mg
PHOSPHOTYDL SULPHATE (PS) 400mg
Nac 500mg
Magnesium 363mg
Zinc 7.5mg
(from soy lecithin)
AMINOGEN (proteolytic enzyme) 250mg
OKG 5g
FIBRE – ARABINOLACTAN (soluble prebiotic fibre) 5g
FIBRE- GUAR GUM 2.5g
CARBOHYDRATES (MALTODEXTRIN)- ALTERNATIVES? FIBRE (GUAR GUM)
VITIMINS AND MINERALS (see centrum)-half centrum 33% RDA
GUGGALIPID (type E& Z from the Commiphora Mukul plant) 35mg (after standardization)
ASIAN GINGSENG (Panaz) 200mg
MOMORDICA CHARANTIA (Bitter melon extract, 4:1 standardised extract)
100mg
4-HYDROXYISOLEUCINE 250mg
COROSOLIC ACID (from Lagerstroemia speciosa L., 1% Corosolic Acid)
24mg
COLEUS FORSKOLI (standardized to 20% forskolin)
35mg (forskolin)
CLA (10 cis- 12 trans isomer) 3g
FLAX SEED OIL (55% linoleic acid) 8g
TRIBULUS TERRESTRIS (30-45% steroidal saponins- furostanol)
750mg
COLEUS FORSKOLI (standardized to 20% forskolin)
150mg (30mg forskolin)
RIBOSE 5g
GRAPE SEED EXTRACT (standardized to a procyanidolic value of greater than 95% or 95% polyphenols per dose.)
50mg (after standardization)
MILK THISTLE (standardized to 80% SILYMARIN)
250mg
CHRYSIN 500mg
VITAMIN C 500mg
HORNY GOATS WEED (EPIMEDIUM) (alcohol extract containing icariin)
250mg
VITAMIN E 400mg
TRIBASIC SODIUM PHOSPHATE 2g
CYSTIDINE DIPHOSPHATE CHOLINE (CDP) 400mg
MUCPRURIENS (containing 15% L-Dopa , preferably more) – (AKA Couhage, Cowhage, Cowitch, Kiwach). 700mgUNA


APPROXIMATELY 607 CALS/SERVING

30% PROTEIN (45g) - 180 calories


25g WHEY
15g CALCIUM CASEINATE
5g OKG


45.2% CARBS (60g) –270 cals
57.5g Maltodextrin (preferably the resistant variety).
Cargill markets a resistant maltodextrin called ActiStar in Europe
5g Arabinogalactan
2.5g Guar gum

24.7% Fat -148 cals
3g CLA (27 cals)
8g Extra virgin olive oil (monounsaturated) – 72 cals
6g MCTs – 49.8 cals


The final formula being developed, is that of the bedtime whey. It will greatly assist sleep, as well as being anticatabolic:

WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE 10g
MILK PROTEIN ISOLATE 10g
BIOPERINE 10mg
BETA-ECDYSTERONE (of active compound after standardization) 50mg
PROBIOTICS Each serving to contain more than 1 billion bacteria
PHOSPHOTYDL SULPHATE (PS) 400mg
Nac N-ACETYL-CYSTEINE 333mg
(from soy lecithin)
AMINOGEN (proteolytic enzyme) 250mg
OKG 15g
VALERIAN preparation containing 60 mg valeric acids and 30 mg hops extract 5:1 for valeric acids) 400mg
L-THEANINE 200mg
TRIBULUS TERRESTRIS (standardized extract of at least 30-45% steroidal saponins- furostanol)
750mg
5-HYDROXYTRYPTOPHAN (5HTP) extracted from the seeds of the African plant, griffonia simplicifolia. 300mg
ALPHA GPC (GLYCEROLPHOSPHORYCHOLINE) 200mg
PHOSPHOTYDL SULPHATE (PS) 400mg
CHRYSIN 500mg
KAVA Piper methysticum
(standardized to contain a 70% kava lactone content) 210 mg of kavalactones
GAMMA-AMINOBUTYRIC ACID (GABBA)- Hydrochloride (GABA HCL) – MUST BE PURE
FIBRE (ARABINOGALACTIN)- soluble prebiotic fibre 5.0g
FIBRE (GUAR GUM) Cyamopsis tetragonolobus 2.5g
CALCIUM D-GLUCARATE (GLUCARIC ACID/CALCIUM GLUCARATE/D-GLUCO 1-4 LACTATE) 200mg
DIINDOLYMETHANE (DIM) 200mg (50mg pure DIM)
PICOLAMINE 50mg
SKULLCAP (Scutellaria lateriflora) 1g
PYRIDOXINE 100mg
TAURINE 5g
RHODIOLA ROSEA 150mg

 

[SPORT SCIENTIST]

oops can't edit the post now, but the 200mg Alpha lipoic acid should have been 600mg (R-enametor variety)

Incidentally you load the creatine with the following loading formula (5 days worth provided in a sachet, to be taken 5x a day):

CREATINE MAGNESIUM CHELATE 5g
ALPHA LIPOIC ACID 200mg
D-PINITOL 200mg
GLUCOSE 18g