chefbone said:for burning some stubborn fat. I've never tried their products but I want to give them a shot. Maybe like 4-6 weeks worth of products. What is the best stack? Any suggestions?
macrophage69alpha said:UFR KIT (ultimate fat removal)
you might also want to consider ISO-AGB and EnerG to help maintain muscle mass.
boskers22 said:wouldnt a clen/ECA stack with cardo work just as good??
Ulter said:Well this my thinking. Ephedrine is just about illegal. Ephedrine crosses the blood brain barrier very readily and attacks the central nervous system. Ephedrine makes most people pretty wired at effective doses. Effective doses diminish and you are constantly adding a higher dose. So the truth is, Ephedrine has many short comings.
You are comparing illegal drugs to legal supplements. Clen-ECA is illegal.
Creatine Ethyl Ester will help build muscle mass. But not like steroids. Steroids are illegal so comparing them is ridiculous. It's kind of like saying why take Thermorexin for energy when crystal meth works so much better.
The second reason is that Thermorexin has ingredients that do THE EXACT SAME THING that clen does and even at the same intensity so using it is just as effective as clen but you don't have to come off every 2 weeks, you get better energy for a longer time, and most people get better appetite suppression. All without attacking your central nervous system so harshly.
Stacemranger said:I got a question, I use PureCEE to workout, I can't live without it. Anyway....I weigh 202 lbs as of this morning and by the bottle, I would take 3-4 pills before workout. Well, you know how it is, I have taken up to 9 before. It definitely made a difference, but not that big of a difference between taking 6(my normal dose). Real question, can this hurt me? I got a little bit of a headache when I took 9. Just wondering.
macrophage69alpha said:it should have no harmful effects as long as you drink enough water (which is probably why it may have caused your headache.)
macrophage69alpha said:believe that you are thinking of AF NYC+ (discontinued). though IMO thermorexin is a lot more effective and better tolerated than NYC, the only advantage is that for some people Norephedrine is a better appetite suppressant, from a metabolic standpoint thermorexin dominates over NYC
Ulter said:Well this my thinking. Ephedrine is just about illegal. Ephedrine crosses the blood brain barrier very readily and attacks the central nervous system. Ephedrine makes most people pretty wired at effective doses. Effective doses diminish and you are constantly adding a higher dose. So the truth is, Ephedrine has many short comings.
You are comparing illegal drugs to legal supplements. Clen-ECA is illegal.
Creatine Ethyl Ester will help build muscle mass. But not like steroids. Steroids are illegal so comparing them is ridiculous. It's kind of like saying why take Thermorexin for energy when crystal meth works so much better.
The second reason is that Thermorexin has ingredients that do THE EXACT SAME THING that clen does and even at the same intensity so using it is just as effective as clen but you don't have to come off every 2 weeks, you get better energy for a longer time, and most people get better appetite suppression. All without attacking your central nervous system so harshly.
OMEGA said:1)Glucorell with Carbs
2)Thermorexin stacked with Levorex
3) cardio breeze pre workout
this and add Yohimburn-ES.chefbone said:for burning some stubborn fat. I've never tried their products but I want to give them a shot. Maybe like 4-6 weeks worth of products. What is the best stack? Any suggestions?
kethnaab said:and why the heck doesn't your UFR kit contain sesamax?
Beachbum1546 said:Can't wait to try this stuff. Would it be okay to run all those products while doing a test prop and tren cycle (and possibly winny)? Too much for the system or just a kickass muscle building/fat burning cycle?
kethnaab said:so cardiobreeze would be a good product for, say, a military dude who wants to burn fat but has to do runs in the morning during physical training, and obviously ephedrine is NOT what you want to be on during a run since it makes your heart race like mad.
Ulter said:Well this my thinking. Ephedrine is just about illegal. Ephedrine crosses the blood brain barrier very readily and attacks the central nervous system. Ephedrine makes most people pretty wired at effective doses. Effective doses diminish and you are constantly adding a higher dose. So the truth is, Ephedrine has many short comings.
You are comparing illegal drugs to legal supplements. Clen-ECA is illegal.
Creatine Ethyl Ester will help build muscle mass. But not like steroids. Steroids are illegal so comparing them is ridiculous. It's kind of like saying why take Thermorexin for energy when crystal meth works so much better.
The second reason is that Thermorexin has ingredients that do THE EXACT SAME THING that clen does and even at the same intensity so using it is just as effective as clen but you don't have to come off every 2 weeks, you get better energy for a longer time, and most people get better appetite suppression. All without attacking your central nervous system so harshly.
Neo22 said:so thermorexin is anti-catabolic?
hankes64 said:How safe is T-rex though? I'm a bit sensitive to stimulants.
hankes64 said:Caffeine sometimes makes my heart skip beats for a few seconds
How would you suggest I run it? Ramp it?
boops said:using Glucorell, Sesamax, and have Purecee on the way and in the short time i have been using these the effects are nothing short of amazing while i am dieting...best supps i have used yet
from 220 down to 204 and strength has remained mostly intact.....

VictorBR said:btw - ulter/macro , we need new kits :
t-rex / levorex / yes / pure cee
levorex / yes / pure cee
t-rex / levorex / yes
Victor
Been to a cardiologist, he said my heart was the healthiest sounding and looking he has seen. I have not been diagnosed with any disorders, but I do have asthma, I'm a bit sensitive to stimulants but I'm usually fine if I ramp up on it. I was thinking about YES and Levorexmacrophage69alpha said:if caffeine causes you to have arrythmia you should not take any stimulants and you should go to a cardiologist.
hankes64 said:Been to a cardiologist, he said my heart was the healthiest sounding and looking he has seen. I have not been diagnosed with any disorders, but I do have asthma, I'm a bit sensitive to stimulants but I'm usually fine if I ramp up on it. I was thinking about YES and Levorex
hankes64 said:Been to a cardiologist, he said my heart was the healthiest sounding and looking he has seen. I have not been diagnosed with any disorders, but I do have asthma, I'm a bit sensitive to stimulants but I'm usually fine if I ramp up on it. I was thinking about YES and Levorex
jumpshot said:Quick question here bro. What tests were performed? Huge range in quality of physicians out there. Take a proactive role in your health, if you already aren't!
Ask for an echocardio, a stress-treadmill, and ekg (i'm sure you did this), and possibly the most important a HOLTER test. The holter is a 24-hour ekg. You can prompt the device when you have an event (ie skipping beats) for the Doc to review later.
Demand these tests if you're really concerned. Don't listen to his singular 1-visit opinion if you feel differently!
macrophage69alpha said:so what you are saying is that caffeine does not actually cause your heart to skip beats, but that it makes you feel like it does?
because if caffeine causes actual arrythmia that is a sign of a significant heart problem.
hankes64 said:Had them all done bro, I'm sensitive to them but fine once used to them. The holter was the most embarassing test Ive ever gad to do. Had all the tests done. It was before I was going to ship off to the corps and had some problems and did a ton of tests, took about 5 weeks to do them all and get results, sure I didnt give you all the information but please dont assume I dont know what I'm doing. The cardiologist happens to also to be considered the best in the state of Indiana.
Came back all clear and he said I had the healthiest heart he's seen in a while. I also have a copy of all my tests with me.
Hahahahahahahaha I wish bro. It was 3 leads yes and hidden yes but the actual monitor was like the size of a small backpack, everyone kept asking me what it was all day, it was very annoying.jumpshot said:Didn't assume. Like I said, take a proactive role if you already aren't. And you are. Nice job.
Why was the Holter embarassing? 3 leads on your chest and a unit the size of a thick credit card attached to your belt for 1 day. Wires are hidden, noone should be able to see it.
VictorBR said:btw - ulter/macro , we need new kits :
t-rex / levorex / yes / pure cee
Victor
The Iotola said:would be a good stack/kit.
macrophage69alpha said:really depends on the user, though typically no. You can dose it an hour prior, giving you more time between dosing and activity.
reccomend the first day you take a dose in the AM to see how "wakeful" you find it.

I'll be using Red Blast during my PCT with added Pure CEE, ALCAR, and Seasapure...macrophage69alpha said:any updates on stacks, including RED BLAST (stacked or otherwise)?
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cipherking said:macro, taking two transdermals like aifm and yes wont mess with each other will it?
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macrophage69alpha said:no issues, there might be some issues with using them on the same sites (but even then generally no)
MR. BMJ said:I just posted this at AF. Here is my supplement stack at this time and for most of the last 3 months.
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Here is close to the supplement stack I have used since the middle of October when I started lifting again. This is after a 4-5 month layoff.
Also, been off AAS since the end of May 2006
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Here is what a typical day looks like for me:
7:00 am: (Before jumping into the shower)
Neurogenix x 2 caps
Green tea x 2 caps
Levorex x 2 caps
AlCar x 2 caps
Ephedrine--50mg
Caffeine--200mg
Vitamin C x 1000mg
Dandelion Root x 2750mg
***Shower
7:45am: Before leaving work
Glucorell x 1 cap
Fish oil caps x 3-4 grams
Vit E x 400iu
Policosanol x 20mg
Folic Acid x 400mcg
Zinc x 50mg
B6 x 1-300mg
Saw Palmetto x 320mg
Lecithin x 1200mg
8-8:15am: Protein shake
10:00am: 15-30 minutes before meal #2
Glucorell x 1-2 caps
11:30am:
Green Tea x 2 caps
Levorex x 2 caps
Neurogenix x 2 caps
Alcar x 2 caps
Ephedrine x 25mg
Caffeine x 200mg
Potassium tabs as needed
12:30pm: 30 minutes before lunch
glucorell x 1 cap
2:30pm:
Ephedrine x 25mg
Caffeine x 200mg
Dandelion x 2750mg
3:30pm: (30minutes before pre-workout meal)
Glucorell x 1 cap
4:30pm (pre-workout supplements)
Ephderine x 50mg
Caffeine x 200mg
Green Tea x 2 caps
Neurogenix x 2 caps
Levorex x 2 caps
Alcar x 2 caps
Vitamin C x 1000mg
Glucorell x 1 cap
Potassium tabs as needed
5:00pm: (changing at work before leaving to gym)
Yohimburn ES
9:30pm: (30 minutes before last meal)
Glucorell x 1 cap
Vit E x 400iu
Fish Oil Caps x 3-4 grams
11:00pm: (Before bed)
Dandelion x 2750mg
Magnesium x 1-1200mg
Policosanol x 40mg
Folic acid x 400mcg
B6 x 1-300mg
Vitamin C x 1,000mg
Saw Palmetto x 320mg
Lecithin x 1,200mg
NOTES: I also apply some AIFM a few times per week, but haven't really stressed it too much lately since I am gonna get gyno surgery soon. Stuff kicks ass though.
Also, have a bottle of RED that I am gonna throw in sometime...haven't figured it out yet though.
Oxytocin: 2-6 pumps 1-4 times per day/night
There ya have it.
This is the best supplement stack I have EVER done...period!
If I could throw in some PureCee I would. Might do it at some point before my surgery....maybe some Glutamine as well during my surgery and the weeks after for its healing purposes.
Gonna also get my embilical hernia fixed at the same time as my gyno surgery.
This stack is specifically designed for cutting and energy. It is awesome at saving muscle though. I low-carb for a bunch of days with high protein and moderate fat. Then carb rotate a few days. If it weren't for the holiday binges, i'd be really really lean. I'm somewhere around 8% right now at 210-215 pounds. I'm 6' tall.
I'd say that the Neurogenix and cognitive supp's have been the biggest help. Obviously the Ephedrine keeps me amped up (really amp'd...lol). The other stuff works very synergistic with...well...everything.
Whew.....long post.
BMJ
btw....Cialis when needed.......right now...purple rockets.
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