The #1 culprit for the Civil War?

[split endz]

Delinquent & milo are right on the money about the cause of the war. It certainly was not about slavery, it was about the south's succession for independence. Any American History professor in the country will profess to that. Slavery became more of an issue later in order to strengthen unity in non-ag. northern states.

 

[JonPee]

Delinquent & milo are right on the money about the cause of the war. It certainly was not about slavery, it was about the south's succession for independence. Any American History professor in the country will profess to that. Slavery became more of an issue later in order to strengthen unity in non-ag. northern states.

And why was the South wanting to declare its independance? Because the government was moving toward federal control over state control. And what issue were they doing that over? That's right, slavery. Thank you, come again

 

[Testosterone boy]

And why was the South wanting to declare its independance? Because the government was moving toward federal control over state control. And what issue were they doing that over? That's right, slavery. Thank you, come again

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[rushx79]

"And that bullshit about migrant workers.. what the fuck do you know? You dont even live in California.. Those fucking migrants cost us 10 BILLION dollars last year in unpaid medical care, school and property taxes, increased crime, welfare fraud."

its amazing how many people out their are so ignorant of the important role these migrant workers play in the US economy.

 

[Y_lifter]

"And that bullshit about migrant workers.. what the fuck do you know? You dont even live in California.. Those fucking migrants cost us 10 BILLION dollars last year in unpaid medical care, school and property taxes, increased crime, welfare fraud."

its amazing how many people out their are so ignorant of the important role these migrant workers play in the US economy.

Thank you.. that was my point.. Same thing with the Slavery comment.
Economics. Not that Slavery was the one and only issue in the war, but rather it had a large impact due to the economics of the day, much as migrants do today in Agricul..

And not that we would all roll over and Die without them both then and now, simply that Agriculture/Produce costs for one thing would go thru the roof if we had to pay Minimum wages and benefits like with many other jobs in the US..

 

[2ez]

Whoa....interesting idea but I personally think this is certified horse manure.

The slavery issue was THE dividing issue in American politics for decades. The issue determined preseidential elections, statehood, even the territories seized from Mexico and how the legal standing of those territories. Kansas, Texas, Utah, and California were all evaluated based on their impact on the slavery issue.


Slaves fighting for the Confederacy is no surprise. They were probably told they would get 70 virgins in heaven. Illiterate people(70% rate at the time) are easy to persuade.

Why are you considering the Slaves to be illiterate. They were naieve to the ways of this new world....but not sure if would go as far as to call them illiterate. Remember, they had an established system over there....different from what was going on in this country....but just because something is different does not mean it was wrong.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Why are you considering the Slaves to be illiterate. They were naieve to the ways of this new world....but not sure if would go as far as to call them illiterate. Remember, they had an established system over there....different from what was going on in this country....but just because something is different does not mean it was wrong.

I said there was a 70% illiteracy rate because there was a 70% illiteracy rate.

 

[John C Calhoun]

Its garbage like this that make southerners dislike yankees. The sucession of the southern states was in the works for about 30-35 years before the war of northern agression. Briefly, in those days the south was an agricultural community and relied on finished products from the manufacturing northern states. When it became cheaper to import those manufactured goods from other countries like England, France, Spain etc. the US gov (controlled by yankees) decided to tax the crap out of imported goods almost exclusively purchased by southern states in order to artificially force these states to purchase from the northern manufacturing base.

These 'Tariffs of Abominations' led Senator John C. Calhoun to declare the law unjust and a convention was held in South Carolina to nullify the federal tariff law. President Andrew Jackson threatened to send troops to enforce the tariff, but eventually the Compromise of 1833 was reached and taxes were lowered over a four-year period - however they were raised again and again and again. Eventually the last straw was the doubling of the Morril tariff implemented by Abe Lincoln.

Did slavery have some impact on the decision to suceed, yes. Was it the only reason or even the primary reason, no. The North opposed the expansion of slave states for reasons of political control, not because they had moral qualms over slavery. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation freed no slaves at all (remember he made it in the summer of 1862 -well into the civil war so slavery could not be that important to him). It theoretically freed only slaves in states and territories “in rebellion,” and did not apply to any states or territories under Union control. Lincoln himself stated that the proclamation was a war measure only. He hoped it would pressure the Southern states to return to the Union. - believe it or not there were still 4 states in the Union that still allowed slavery during the civil war, if it were all about slavery, why didn't they succeed as well?

 

[Hengst]

saying the american civil war was about slavery is llike saying WWII was about the jews. When in fact abolition of slavery and the liberation of the KZs were secondary and purely incidental effects.

However, in the intervening years, those two issues have come to define those conflicts.

 

[Testosterone boy]

saying the american civil war was about slavery is llike saying WWII was about the jews. When in fact abolition of slavery and the liberation of the KZs were secondary and purely incidental effects.

However, in the intervening years, those two issues have come to define those conflicts.

What are KZs?

It may be safe to say that the Civil War was about politics. Without a doubt, the most evil business in the world.

Politics has nothing to do with making the world a better place. It has everything to do with keeping and increasing power for those who have it.