Testosterone-Propionate question

[deep84]

this is my first cycle.i am done with one week of test-e 500 mg(2 x 250)-(12 week cycle)... can i discontinue and start Testosterone-Propionate eod 100 mg..i know this is a stupid question but i want to do a 6 week prop cycle and gain lean mass..
plz help..is it possible..
what should i stack with prop for a beginners cutting cycle,
39 yrs 15% bf 175lbs 5,7"

 

[lartinos]

You need to read up a little more bro. Both enan and prop are both forms of testosterone. What will give you a leaner look is running an aromatase inhibitor (arimidex, aromasin or letro for ex.) along with a solid diet and supplements. Check my sig for multiple supplements you may want to run all available at needtobuildmuscle.net
If you still have questions you can post them up for people to respond too.

 

[deep84]

thanx

 

[lartinos]

Anytime bro

 

[almbluzman]

I am planning on a 10-12 week "cutting" cycle using Test-Prop. A guy I work with told me that it doesn't aromatize but that sounds like a little bit of a stretch to me, so if I got an AI what's the typical dosage and when in the cycle do I start using it? This will be my first cycle, so I want to use just Test so I see how my body responds to it before I move on. Thanks!

 

[lartinos]

I am planning on a 10-12 week "cutting" cycle using Test-Prop. A guy I work with told me that it doesn't aromatize but that sounds like a little bit of a stretch to me, so if I got an AI what's the typical dosage and when in the cycle do I start using it? This will be my first cycle, so I want to use just Test so I see how my body responds to it before I move on. Thanks!

Some users report slightly less water retention when using a short acting ester such as test prop. That "guy" is a douche and you should never put your life in his hands because he is incorrect. "test is test" It is just basically delivered with a different half life. I think is a great idea to just run test with an AI. Get your PCT and supplements together now or seriously start thinking about what direction you will be going with. The dosage is dependent on which AI you take. Letro is strongest and I do not reccomend for a newb to use on his first cycle. I find arimidex to be the same or slightly more effective as legal products on this board. Aromasin is a nice AI to start with on this cycle but becareful with your dosing and work with it to find your dose. I would start low from the start of the cycle and work your way up. That's just me though. I am always available for any questions people have for me. Just give me time to respond sometimes. Thanks

 

[almbluzman]

Some users report slightly less water retention when using a short acting ester such as test prop. That "guy" is a douche and you should never put your life in his hands because he is incorrect. "test is test" It is just basically delivered with a different half life. I think is a great idea to just run test with an AI. Get your PCT and supplements together now or seriously start thinking about what direction you will be going with. The dosage is dependent on which AI you take. Letro is strongest and I do not reccomend for a newb to use on his first cycle. I find arimidex to be the same or slightly more effective as legal products on this board. Aromasin is a nice AI to start with on this cycle but becareful with your dosing and work with it to find your dose. I would start low from the start of the cycle and work your way up. That's just me though. I am always available for any questions people have for me. Just give me time to respond sometimes. Thanks

That's a great response, lartinos - and you hit the nail on the head... That guy turned out to be a douche. Luckily for me, he told me about EF so I have people who actually know their shit to turn to.

I was thinking about using Arimidex for an AI. As far as PCT goes, I am still unsure as to how much I will need and what I should definitely have available to me. Any suggestions?

I know I still have a lot to learn, but I seem to have hit a "plateau" just reading articles and columns, so I decided to get involved in posting more to try and get specific answers. Does anyone one have an example of a complete cutting cycle using only Test-Prop (including AI and PCT)? All I have really been able to find is just bits and pieces and could use some help putting the pieces together.

Thanks again for any help that anyone can provide!!

 

[lartinos]

That's a great response, lartinos - and you hit the nail on the head... That guy turned out to be a douche. Luckily for me, he told me about EF so I have people who actually know their shit to turn to.

I was thinking about using Arimidex for an AI. As far as PCT goes, I am still unsure as to how much I will need and what I should definitely have available to me. Any suggestions?

I know I still have a lot to learn, but I seem to have hit a "plateau" just reading articles and columns, so I decided to get involved in posting more to try and get specific answers. Does anyone one have an example of a complete cutting cycle using only Test-Prop (including AI and PCT)? All I have really been able to find is just bits and pieces and could use some help putting the pieces together.

Thanks again for any help that anyone can provide!!

As you will read here the idea of a cutting cycle is debatable. On one hand some anabolics and supplements can help with a leaner look but for the most part diet is important. I personally would really try and diet perfectly before adding in other drugs. Look into ketogenic dieting. I give a brief desription of it when I speak about my supplement in the mini write up on needtobuildmuscle.net ( adderllin)
Things that you can eventually add in are winstrol and clenbuterol. When not taking clen I would suggest taking a thermo like Adderllin or Forged fat burner. Now... you could just do test enan at say 250mg's a week and avoid EOD injections that you'd need from the prop. Just food for thought, but prop is an excellant option as well. Arimidex should work well for you, you may want to also get some nolvadex to have on hand in case you are super sensitive to gyno (unlikley you will need it) but you could then just use it for post cycle afterwards anyway.
Don't forget about supplements such as HCGenerate and Sustain Alpha as well. Since this is a low dose cycle with not that much aromatization you may want to go with supps as opposed to HCG which you will need if you run a little heavier cycle next time.
So maybe run the winny the last 4 weeks of your cycle. Let me know whether you are running tabs or injects. I prefer injects
if you can get it, but tabs will do the trick as well and you can avoid EOD injections. There are many ways to take clen and I will be creating a thread with my thoughts on the drug in the near future so stay tuned. Or I might just write it in here. I haven't decided yet. I hope I helped, other people who need my opinion feel free to jump in.

 

[stevesmi]

That's a great response, lartinos - and you hit the nail on the head... That guy turned out to be a douche. Luckily for me, he told me about EF so I have people who actually know their shit to turn to.

I was thinking about using Arimidex for an AI. As far as PCT goes, I am still unsure as to how much I will need and what I should definitely have available to me. Any suggestions?

I know I still have a lot to learn, but I seem to have hit a "plateau" just reading articles and columns, so I decided to get involved in posting more to try and get specific answers. Does anyone one have an example of a complete cutting cycle using only Test-Prop (including AI and PCT)? All I have really been able to find is just bits and pieces and could use some help putting the pieces together.

Thanks again for any help that anyone can provide!!

be aware you need that bloating to help lube up your joints.. dont think that you can get away with drying up and not be risking joint issues. be careful using arimidex for this reason. low dosages only

 

[ALIN]

this is my first cycle.i am done with one week of test-e 500 mg(2 x 250)-(12 week cycle)... can i discontinue and start Testosterone-Propionate eod 100 mg..i know this is a stupid question but i want to do a 6 week prop cycle and gain lean mass..
plz help..is it possible..
what should i stack with prop for a beginners cutting cycle,
39 yrs 15% bf 175lbs 5,7"

Yes you can swith to TEST PROP is you like.
150mg EOD is what works best for me.

 

[almbluzman]

As you will read here the idea of a cutting cycle is debatable. On one hand some anabolics and supplements can help with a leaner look but for the most part diet is important. I personally would really try and diet perfectly before adding in other drugs. Look into ketogenic dieting. I give a brief desription of it when I speak about my supplement in the mini write up on needtobuildmuscle.net ( adderllin)
Things that you can eventually add in are winstrol and clenbuterol. When not taking clen I would suggest taking a thermo like Adderllin or Forged fat burner. Now... you could just do test enan at say 250mg's a week and avoid EOD injections that you'd need from the prop. Just food for thought, but prop is an excellant option as well. Arimidex should work well for you, you may want to also get some nolvadex to have on hand in case you are super sensitive to gyno (unlikley you will need it) but you could then just use it for post cycle afterwards anyway.
Don't forget about supplements such as HCGenerate and Sustain Alpha as well. Since this is a low dose cycle with not that much aromatization you may want to go with supps as opposed to HCG which you will need if you run a little heavier cycle next time.
So maybe run the winny the last 4 weeks of your cycle. Let me know whether you are running tabs or injects. I prefer injects
if you can get it, but tabs will do the trick as well and you can avoid EOD injections. There are many ways to take clen and I will be creating a thread with my thoughts on the drug in the near future so stay tuned. Or I might just write it in here. I haven't decided yet. I hope I helped, other people who need my opinion feel free to jump in.

I like the idea of less-frequent injections (at least for my first cycle) so I would definitely prefer to go with Test Enan. And the idea of Arimidex (at low doses - .25 ED?) and Nolva on standby makes sense. Thanks for your responses!!

 

[lartinos]

I like the idea of less-frequent injections (at least for my first cycle) so I would definitely prefer to go with Test Enan. And the idea of Arimidex (at low doses - .25 ED?) and Nolva on standby makes sense. Thanks for your responses!!

Ya, or even just .5 EOD to start will be fine. Monitor your weight... If you gain 2lb's over night it isn't muscle bro lol.
That's usually when I know it's time to kick up the dose a little.

 

[babushka]

Guys would you please suggest on prop.I am planning to run 100mg ED or 200mg EOD.
Is it really difference between ED and EOD injections.

 

[deep84]

this is my first week with 2 shots already..can u suggest me anti-e or AI for my cycle which is test-e 500/week ,dbol 30mg ed...right now i am doing .5 adex e3d. i have nolva, clomid, proviron on hand with me..planning to do 10weeks test 1-4 dbol...is hcg necessary..plz help..

 

[lartinos]

Guys would you please suggest on prop.I am planning to run 100mg ED or 200mg EOD.
Is it really difference between ED and EOD injections.

EOD is good bro. Prop has a long enough half life that you should be good to go.
See how the injection site pain is the next day. If it hurts badly just adjust the dosing and or dosing schedule.

 

[lartinos]

this is my first week with 2 shots already..can u suggest me anti-e or AI for my cycle which is test-e 500/week ,dbol 30mg ed...right now i am doing .5 adex e3d. i have nolva, clomid, proviron on hand with me..planning to do 10weeks test 1-4 dbol...is hcg necessary..plz help..

Stick with the arimidex and always have nolvadex on hand brotherr.You can always bump up the dose if you wanna be really safe get something stronger letro. But that shit is mad strong sun. Almost all people will be fine by just taking arimidex. Proviron also helps stop gyno because it is of the dht family.It helps but just is not as effective. Also can give you a harder look.
"It seems that the most common reason for many to consider including it in a steroid stack is for anti-estrogenic activity. In the days before anti-aromatases and the use of SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators) such as Clomid and Nolvadex, there was some merit to this. An amount of aromatizing steroid marginally over the amount that would be tolerable without Proviron became tolerable with the inclusion of it."

However, the effect is indeed only marginal, and much better anti-estrogenic agents now exist. When these are used, there is no need for Proviron as an anti-estrogen"
From interwebs

 

[deep84]

thanx 4 the gud info lartinos..

 

[lartinos]

Feel free to ask questions here and in PM guys. I promise to get back to you all as long as you give me time to respond. Thanks