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testosterone enanthate help please!!!

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rayzor

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i'm new to the whole steroid thing and i've been reading alot of various forums and websites and such. I have decided i want to do testosterone enanthate for my first cycle. I weigh 165 and am fairly cut at 5'10 benching 255. arms are a little over 15 inches around. I want to know how much i should do weekly based on my size? Ive read 500 mg every 5 days is good but I really dont know if thats too much considering my smaller size. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated guys. also, should i stack dbol for the first 4 weeks for 20 mg/day? this is my first cycle and i want to do it right but not overdo it.
 
500mg every week should do it, and save the Dbol for later cycles. Do more reseach first though, make sure you know everything you can before you start.
 
500mg/week is plenty by itself. You could add 20mg/day of dbol if you wanted. Run that 10 weeks, wait 2 more weeks, hit PCT. Most guys will say clomid, or even HCG/nolva/clomid, I use only nolva myself. Long as you've got your PCT lined up though, 500/week will do wonder for your first cycle.
 
i agree. you can also do 250mg (1cc) every mon and thurs for 10wks plus the dbol 20mg ed for 4-5wks. make sure to add in some arimidex during the cycle and have your PCT lined up before starting.
 
I did Dbols only when I was 15 and I put on 40# in the next 4 months doing 1 or 2 a day. Test En stays with you a long time too. Do you have amps or a bttle? Just do 200mg twice a week or 250. I take it your young ? Right ? Your lucky to have boards like this around to ask questions. Welcome aboard.
 
yeah i am new and this board is fabulous. by far the best advice ive received reading other peoples posts and such. Im 19 years old and i dont think im going to grow any more height wise. a friend of mine is advising me to do sustanon instead. what do yall think? i want to keep as much of the gains as i can continuing to workout and eat right.
 
Sustanon works quicker and you have to take an injection every four days but enanthanate last longer and you don't have to inject as often. Your choice .
 
if you are 19 then i would wait. i am a physician. not just some joe-blow giving you advice. but i doubt you will take the advice so just be smart about what you do and research EVERYTHING first... JMO.
 
crfpilot14 said:
if you are 19 then i would wait. i am a physician. not just some joe-blow giving you advice. but i doubt you will take the advice so just be smart about what you do and research EVERYTHING first... JMO.
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I agree with the doc. here. At age 19, you should be eating more food, and trying to gain weight. Just look at what all the old-timers were able to accomplish before steroids. I would dedicate yourself to a solid year of training, and bulking, and then re-evaluate your situation.
 
I went from 185 to 225 in a few short months after i graduated from highschool, and i took nothing more than protein and creatine, but i ate my ass off every day and trained really hard. I just recently "crossed over" lol after having worked out about 3 years. Put the time in the gym for a while and you will see the results without the gear.
Good Luck Bro in whatever you do.
 
what most do not know or understand, at that age food (good clean high protein diet) can work just as well as AS and the gains are longer lasting! eat right, train hard, and watch the muscles grow! :)

doc
 
yeah im an anxious piece of shit unfortunately but ive been plateaued for like 6 months and i eat incessantly and train very hard til failure and such at the gym. this is also alot for rugby as well. im very aggressive on the field but in the end im still just a quick back that some of the forwards demolish. season starts in februaryish. i think im going to go with enanthate and kickstart it with some dbol. with the dbol how should i spread out my dosage? like how many in the morning? how many before i workout? also how many grams of protein (shakes) should i take? im currently doing 23g before i workout and after and before i go to bed with a couple teaspoons of glutamine mixed in there as well.
 
what are you going to do about PCT? you have that planned already? there is a lot of info on that cycle on here. just have to look.... good luck. :evil:
 
im thinkin clomid right after im done and hanging onto a bottle of nolvadex just in case my nipples start itching and then starting that up. should i be taking something throughout the whole cycle?
 
500mgs of enath a week w/ 20mg of dbol for the first month should work well. Def keep the nolva handy and use clomid when coming off.
 
THE EN-THA.. Nice substance.. long plasma life.. long duration...

On reference to dosage.. it all depends on the cycle you using, how many time have you cycled, your body type, and what are your goals.


Enantate is one of the pharma resposible for many B.builder strecth marks.. Tremendous PUMPS and strength gains. Sadly, a big part of dose gains is liquid gains :Water retention, increase red blood cells, fat, etc.


Many veteran prefer to use the power substance, i.e. EN-THA at the begining of their cylce, for no more than 4 weeks. The reason being is tha, en-tha, like most TESTOS inversely affect the GONAD cycle (your own natural testo factory, your nuts), and your body receptor dor these substances down regulated quickly.. as a consequence you will have to UP the dose. ANd, as you up the dose, you further supress your nuts, and increase teh risk of aromatization.

EN-THA is High ANdrogenic with INTENSE anabolic effects...it converst very easily to estrogen, whic leads to more fat and some gyno.

Simply put, most top PRO's take all strong androgenic/anabolic compound at the begining of their cycle, after 3-4 week, the change to another milder compound, and after another 3-4 weeks t he change to mostly to low androgenic/strong anabolic compounds.

An example of this could be:

First 4 weeks : TESTO & DIANA
NEXt 4 WEEKS :DECA Y EQUIPOISE
NEXT 4 WEEKS: PRIMO & OXADRONLONE
FINAL 3 WEEKS: NOVALDEX, CLOMID, PROVIRON, HCG, CLENBUTEROL

If very important that the athlete considers takeng most the the final weeks pharmaceuticals, sine at the clouse of the cycle, the body will enter inmediately in a CATABOLIC PHASE.
 
just stick with this....

test enanthate 500mg/wk wk 1-10 (you can take 250mg every M&Th)
dbol 30mg ed wk1-4 (spread the 10mg doses over the day)

PCT: starting 2wks after your last shot.
HCG 500IU MWF for 3wks plus clomid 50mg ed and nolva 20mg ed for those 3wks, then
stop the HCG after the 3wks but continue the clomid and nolva for another 2-3wks. some will say you dont need the HCG, others will say that you dont need the clomid, etc...but just do it right the first time. cant be too safe when it comes to getting your HPTA back to normal.

doc
 
you guys dont think 30 mg of dbol everyday is a bit much? ive heard its pretty toxic on the liver and being an irishman my livers pretty fucked anyways with alcohol =(. I did decide to stop drinking throughout the roid cycle and it will be tough but im really committed to getting big gains without fucking my liver over royally. anyways, is 30 a bit much for my first cycle? maybe 20 a day?
 
you can do 20mg a day, but 30 is not going to hurt you any more. it is only for 1 month. get some tylers if you are worried. and dont drink alcohol or take tylenol while on orals.
 
Iv'e ran d-bol at that dose for 12 weeks and no prblems. It ain't shit. Now anadrol is a different story, I have kidney paiin after 4 days!!!
 
for pct do you guys think i should run arimidex throughout the cycle? or do you think i should just hang onto some nolva and start that up when i get the itchy nips and do that until problem subsides? also do you guys think HCG is necessary with nolva already post cycle for a few weeks?
 
run arimidex 0.5mg ed/eod throughout the cycle. for PCT do 500-1000IU MWF for the first 2-3wks of PCT along with 20mg nolva ed and clomid 50mg ed for the same 2-3wks. tehn stop teh HCG and continue the nolva and clomid for an additional 3wks. may be a bit overkill but it sure isnt going to hurt.
 
thank you guys a ton for the help. finally figured my shit out and will post gains and such once i get this all started. im gona go with .5 mg arimidex eod and bust out the nolva when i notice signs of gyno. also pct ill start up 2 weeks after with nolva. i cant really find HCG anywhere so i think im outta luck there but i think i should be alright with the nolva and arimidex.

once again, thanks guys
 
Hey Rayzor listen up! Let me save you a potential shitload of pain and suffering and maybea even the future of your sex life. THis is your golden opportunity here.

First off I don't know what kind of shithead, piece of crap, loser "physician" crfpilot14 is but don't listen to his garbage. He is either lying about being a doctor, or is some old senile guy, or some dumb nurse assistant in training or something. The guy should be jailed if he is really a doc, giving the type of info he is giving. He should lose his license at least and I would be happy to find the guy and report him and watch him lose his career if it could happen. I am sure he is not an MD though. You are to young to take steroids! That is what the guy should tell you
 
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crftpilot told me i shouldnt do it at first when he learned i was only 19. is one cycle of roids really going to fuck me up that bad? theres a plethora of guys my age i know personally who have done a cycle, had great results and just kept on training without any serious problems. i do not personally know anyone who has had shitty results or regret doing it.
 
im not trying to negate any opposing views, im just asking if .5 grams of liquid a week will really ruin my body for the rest of my life?
 
Rayzor, those people you know who have done them, how old are they now? You may not see the consequences until you hit your mid 20's. As a young adult, your body is already making way more test than a person in their late 20's or older. When you start injecting test and your body stops making it, it will take much longer for your body to make the levels it once did when you stop. Compared to a man my age (29). My body is making less test so when I go off cycle it doesn't take as long to get back to normal test levels. Using AAS is not a game and it isn't something that should taken lightly. We're not talking some acne or head-aches here. Most people are talking about serious growth stunting from the use of AAS at an early age. Look at the article in Newsweek, that article does do some good. It shows that AAS is not a kids drug.
 
damn i really want to get bigger and im plateaud out the asshole. i guess ill just wait. i dont want to get all anxious and greedy and then regret that shit in a few years. what if i take a low dose like 250 mg/week? will i still get the shitty growth stunting and such? will it even be worth my time?
 
Wolfpack, you know you are actually wrong. Rayzor has got way more GH thanyou probably but your test levels are probably about the same. I told him, natural peak test levels occur 20-25.
 
I second you waiting at least 4-5 years. Do the creatine, lots of protein and other natural supplements but no pro-hormones. Look at you work out routine. How often are you training each muscle per week, how many exercises, sets and reps per muscle? You may be over training. You need to switch things up every three weeks. Different exercises, reps and sets. You also need to let the muscle recover before hitting it again usually at least 5 days. Take our advice and wait.
 
I wanted to chime in. I have to agree with some of the guys. I would def wait a few years. I have been on for 5 years but I am 32 years old. I did a few cycles when I was your age and it just wasnt worth it. I lost most of my gains. I agree that if you hit a plateau you need to review your current workout and change it up. You cant train to failure all of the time, your body is going to burn out. Pay alot of attention to your diet get those calories in. Also it owuldn't hurt to take a week or two off then come back to training. Your body will respond to your time off. I normally train following the H.I.T method ( Dorian Yates) style, but every 4 months I change to a high volume and high reps. My body responds to these different styles, then as my body starts to get use to it(4 months) I switch back again. I know the cycle is tempting but if your calories are high and you change things up you will probably get better results without. Then as you get older and your bodys test starts to drop thats when to kick it in. Good luck.
 
Wolfpack, you know you are actually wrong. Rayzor has got way more GH thanyou probably but your test levels are probably about the same. I told him, natural peak test levels occur 20-25.
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I do believe he said he is 19, which is pretty damn close to your age range. I am 29 which is a few years out of that age range. So tell me again what was wrong with my post, doc.
 
WolfPack Charlie said:
I do believe he said he is 19, which is pretty damn close to your age range. I am 29 which is a few years out of that age range. So tell me again what was wrong with my post, doc.
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Its a myth that teenagers testosterone levels are the peak levels. They peak 20-25. 29 your levels could be anything ofcourse but average morning levels in 20's are 700ng/dl. 30s they are 600ng/dl. After that I am not sure I think 100 points lower per decade but then less until 70s when they are usually around 300 or else less which is hypogonadal. 20-25 is when people can get 1000s but that is genetic ofcourse. Teenagers have all sorts of different levels. They almost always have highest GH/IGF-1 though. I have a chart decade by decade and normal test levels for around 5 year age ranges.
 
Very good info, but nonetheless you said I was wrong, but your post still doesn't prove that I am. And by the way, thanks for the negative K for simply disagreeing. Not to mention the fact that in your rebuttal to my 1st post you stated levels peak at 20-25 and now you post it is a myth. Whatever bro, back at ya.
 
WolfPack Charlie said:
Very good info, but nonetheless you said I was wrong, but your post still doesn't prove that I am. And by the way, thanks for the negative K for simply disagreeing. Not to mention the fact that in your rebuttal to my 1st post you stated levels peak at 20-25 and now you post it is a myth. Whatever bro, back at ya.
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No I said it is a myth that they are highest when someone is a teenager. They are actually highest at 20-25, I repeated that. I don't think I negative Ked you.
 
Ive read an article that its easier for people in their late teens to get their tes levels back to a normal range once off a cycle. How come not many people mention that?
 
Destroyer1986* said:
Ive read an article that its easier for people in their late teens to get their tes levels back to a normal range once off a cycle. How come not many people mention that?
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Maybe because it sounds like common sense. Younger people rebound from most anything quicker.
 
I'm 33 and I wish I would've taken them when I was 19. I was the definition of a beanpole no matter how much I ate. I was very self concious about my small size and in a way I feel that it sorta ruined my 'fun' years. When I was 25 I tried a cycle and it gave me the boost I needed. Since then it has been easy for me to pack on muscle.
 
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