Test+tren

[Greek Freak]

Thanks bros for all the help. I will run tren at 75mg/ed for 8 weeks and d-bol at 25mg for 5 weeks.

Thats going to be pretty harsh on your liver/body. I wouldnt reccomend running 3 substances like that then just dropping off to the test. What I would do is run the dbol for weeks 1-4(since you really shouldnt be taking orals longer than 4 wks anyway), and then the tren 4-10. Your still running them for the same ammount of time but this way the cycle will kick off strong with rapid weight gain from the dbols, then when you start the tren you will drop all of the bloat but continue to get stronger(or as some people say "harden your gains"). I just came off a test/tren cycle a little while ago and loved it, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

[Spidey]

Tren at 50 mg ed for six weeks is not enough IMO. Run at least 75 mg ed for 8 weeks. I don't think you will be impressed with your results otherwise. The d-bol will be fine at 25-30 mg ed for the first 4-5 weeks.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with GG on this one. I gained 20 lbs in three weeks from 50 mg ed tren. Of course, this was my first cycle so my receptors were probably more sensitive. Tren is a very powerful drug. How much do you weigh? Remember dosages of pretty much any drug is weight dependent. My dosage (when I started) was only 0.365 mg/lb body weight and I grew like the proverbial weed. If you weigh 160lb, that would be 58 mg ed. Not very much is it? Remember that tren is about three times more androgenic then test so 350 mg/week tren is approximately equal to 1050 mg test/week. That's a lot of test my friend! I would keep the dosage on the lower end to start. Give it two weeks before really judging whether it's enough or not. If at the end of two weeks you are not feeling those insane pumps and increases in strength and mass, then up the dosage to 75 mg ed and run it one extra week. The dbol at 25 mg ed for 5 weeks seems to be a sound dosage for a start.

-Spidey

 

[2Bbigger]

I am 5'6"172lb and about 12%bf. I think I might do 75mgs/eod. Thanks for all the replies.

 

[Spidey]

I am 5'6"172lb and about 12%bf. I think I might do 75mgs/eod. Thanks for all the replies.

Sounds reasonable to me. So, your going to run dbol at 25 mg ed weeks 1-5, tren at 75 mg eod weeks 1-6 (1-8?) and test enan at 500 mg/week weeks 1-10, right? I expect you will grow well on that assuming your diet and training are in line. How much do you want to gain? I expect you should get 20 lbs out of that cycle anyway. Just remember: eat big (4500 - 5000 calories, 300 g protein/day), sleep a lot, and train intensely.

Good luck. Keep us posted.

-Spidey

 

[Spidey]

Oh yeah. I almost forgot. You might want to get some arimidex (1 mg ed) for the bloat and other estrogenic sides you are sure to experience with dbol and test. Tren related gyno is pretty rare and with your low proposed dosage, shouldn't be a concern. At least get some nolvadex and keep in on hand. if you start showing signs of gyno, start taking the nolvas at 20 mg ed. That should keep things under control.

-Spidey

 

[2Bbigger]

I will be running ldex and I do have nolva on hand. Thanks for your help. I still am not sure about the d-bol. If I run it it might be like Greek suggested. I think that might be easier on my liver and other side effects.

 

[Greek Freak]

Personally I dont like dbol and wouldnt even run it, but thats just my opinion so I showed you the way to incorperate it if you wanted to. Just like Spidey said, you will have good gains off the test/tren alone and wont have to worry about as much of the testosterone related sides from stacking dbol and test. Since your just doing 500 mgs/wk you dont need to be constantly taking an anti estrogen(although a little liquidex or nolvadex will keep the bloat down...I suggest those because they are a lot cheaper than arimadex and they just slow your estrogen production, dont completely supress it like arimadex does). You dont even really need to take the anti-e's but it is very important that you have them on hand in case any warning signs of gyno start to appear.

 

[Burgboy]

I will be running ldex and I do have nolva on hand. Thanks for your help. I still am not sure about the d-bol. If I run it it might be like Greek suggested. I think that might be easier on my liver and other side effects.

dbol at 5-6 weeks at 25 mg will not be toxic to your liver....Dynamo...a friend of mine ran dbol 20-25 mg for six weeks with ala and milk thisle and his AST and ALT levels were actually much better after the cycle than before.....you will be fine running that amount for 6 weeks unless you have a pre-existing liver disorder

 

[Spidey]

I will be running ldex and I do have nolva on hand. Thanks for your help. I still am not sure about the d-bol. If I run it it might be like Greek suggested. I think that might be easier on my liver and other side effects.

I agree with GF that you probably don't need the dbol but if you do decide to throw it in, overlap the dbol and tren by about two weeks so that the tren will be kicking in by the time you stop the dbol so no crash or fluctuating androgen levels ( at least not as bad). Better idea IMO to run the dbol and tren together from the start. Tren is not 17-alkylated and thus isn't hard on the liver so running them together isn't going to be any harder on your liver than running the dbol alone. Again, dbol isn't really needed here in the first place but it's up to you.

GF-liquidex is the same compound as arimidex. It's just a suspension that you dring vs. a pill you swallow. It's two different formulations of the same drug.

-Spidey

 

[Racer-X99]

dbol at 5-6 weeks at 25 mg will not be toxic to your liver....Dynamo...a friend of mine ran dbol 20-25 mg for six weeks with ala and milk thisle and his AST and ALT levels were actually much better after the cycle than before.....you will be fine running that amount for 6 weeks unless you have a pre-existing liver disorder

Well, my friend ran 40mg dbol/day and 100mg a-bombs/day both at the same time for three months without any ala or milk thistle. Two weeks after he finished and he was taking everything under the sun, his liver tested at the lower ends of the safe range. He is a freak. Some people can get away with it, but there is no reason for it.

I think you should front load the enanth and run fina 75mg eod. You will be happy if you train like a monkey. Remember, the gear helps you grow, but it really helps you train harder so you can build solid muscle.