Test/Tren/D-bol

[P-DOG]

I wanted to get some opinions on an upcoming cycle. Here is what im planning:

Weeks 1-4
Test 1g/week
Tren 75mg/day
D-bol 50mg/day
Armidex .5 eod

Weeks 5-8
Test 1g/week
Tren 75mg/day
Armidex .5 eod

Week 1 I will front load the test at double the weekly dosage. Clomid and Tribulus post cycle.

Couple of questions, will I need HCG during and or post cycle? Also, I haven’t decided on what test to use, im planning on either one of the long acting tests i.e. enethate or cyp, and im also considering a blend such as sust. What do you guys recommend? What brands do you like the most?

thanks in advance

 

[DownUnder23]

Can i ask how many cycles u have under your belt........but as far as test i would go with cyp or enathate

 

[ANVIL276]

No real need to front load the test since you are using d-bol.
The d-bol will give you great gains at the start of the cycle until the test kicks in. 50mg is quite a bit of d-bol have u used it much in the past?

 

[slobberknocker]

Looks good to me. Only change I'd make is go 10-12 weeks instead of 8. That should be a killer mass stack.

What are your stats?

 

[bicepts101]

how many cycles do you have under your belt?

stats?

 

[P-DOG]

thanks for the replies. ive done 4 cycles in the past mostly moderate doasge cutting cycles. i have not used test or d-bol, i have used tren as the base for all of my other "mild" cycles.

seems like you guys are suggesting that these dosages might be a little high. honestly i was thinking the same thing since this is my first real mass cycle. however i figured if mass is what im after i should be agressive with my dosages.

i may not use the d-bol at all because i really dont care for the liver side effects or the additional cost.

currently my stats are 5'7, 185 about 10%.

im open to any suggestions.

 

[bigerisbetter]

You have never used test before and you want to run it at 1 gram a week with a frontload of 2gs. Your HARDCORE bro. Just be careful.

 

[fatbg]

I have done almost a same cycle. 500mg test/week,75mg tren eod and 25mg dbol ed first 5 weeks. I loved this cycle. My stats are close to yours so I think that you do not need a gram of test but thats up to you.

 

[slobberknocker]

If you go with the test and dbol, at those doses, you should increase the arim. IMO, go 1 mg ed.

 

[bouncerulove]

i agree.....with the tren and your cycle history, i wouldnt think you would need 2 go over 750 mgs test a week.......and definately run it at least 12 weeks.....just my opinion.....

 

[BigAndy69]

seems like you guys are suggesting that these dosages might be a little high. honestly i was thinking the same thing since this is my first real mass cycle. however i figured if mass is what im after i should be agressive with my dosages.

Why don't you get aggressive with your eating and training instead.

Very bad cycle, you are using long ester gear and stopping at 8 weeks, and your cycle is too androgenic...just trying to help.

Try the following:

W1-8: Test Cyp/enanthate: 600mg a week.
W9-11: Prop: 150mg EOD. ie 525mg a week
W1-4: Dbol 30mg ED
W5-10: Tren: 75mg ED
W11-13: Winny or Anavar: 50mg ED

 

[bouncerulove]

i agree with andy.....the dbol should still kick your @ss at 30mgs.....and it's my opinion that you should end a cycle with as's that clear the system fast letting your nuts know it's time to get back in gear quicker......and YES have some HCG on hand you're nuts will be asleep.........

 

[nuh_mizer]

my cycle is:
test 600mgs/wk
fina 75mgs/ed
d-bol 25mgs/ed

and I love it.

 

[P-DOG]

ok thanks again for the replies. i love getting a nice variety of opinions. i am not starting this cycle until mid october so i will have plenty of time to get everything figured out and time to do all the necessary research.

my diet will be agresive, i will be following john berardi's 'massive eating" i have had good succes with it in the past. my calories will be in the 5,000 per day range.

training will also be agressive. i will be following a detailed hyprtrophy based program with a pec specialization, (my lagging bodypart.)

i like the idea of using a short acting ester towards the end of the cycle to ensure a quick recovery. would dropping the enethate and adding prop the last two weeks solve this problem?

a lot of people have recommended a longer cycle of around 12 weeks. the reason i chose 8 is because i feel that i can make some solid gains in that time and still it is short enough for me to recover quickly. if i run it for 12, wont recovery time be longer and more dificult?

thanks again.

 

[Mr. Black]

This is what I have planned out for my next cycle:

Weeks 1-4
D-bol 35mg/day
Weeks 1-10
Omna 250 @ 500mg/week + Test Cyp 200 mg/week
Weeks 7-13
Fina 75 mg/day
Weeks 7-13 Winstrol 50mg/day
Weeks 10-13
Test Prop 150mg eod

 

[BigAndy69]

a lot of people have recommended a longer cycle of around 12 weeks. the reason i chose 8 is because i feel that i can make some solid gains in that time and still it is short enough for me to recover quickly. if i run it for 12, wont recovery time be longer and more dificult?

thanks again.

Last few weeks are not about making gains anyway, they are about keeping the gains you've already made and easing out of the cycle, Recovery time may be longer but it won't be as difficult, and you won't experience a sudden crash.

 

[P-DOG]

with finances also being a concern. could i just continue to run the tren for an extra two weeks after the test is discontinued? would that give me enough anabolic support for the final two weeks before i start the post cycle recovery protocol?

 

[BigAndy69]

with finances also being a concern. could i just continue to run the tren for an extra two weeks after the test is discontinued? would that give me enough anabolic support for the final two weeks before i start the post cycle recovery protocol?

Tren is one of the harshest drugs on HPTA. You could cancel the Winny/anavar and finish w11.

 

[ViperHMS]

with finances also being a concern. could i just continue to run the tren for an extra two weeks after the test is discontinued? would that give me enough anabolic support for the final two weeks before i start the post cycle recovery protocol?

Well if you stay with a longer acting ester test yeah running the tren for 11 more days would be a good idea. Stop the tren 3 days prior to starting you post cycle recovery. That way you know that the tren is pretty much outta your system and the test is not that far off either and you can coast into your post recovery cycle.

Viper