Test. question, cyp.,prop., or enth.

[jc1908]

Will be first cycle in 6 years, 39, 5'11 185 don't know bf
Windering if i should stick w/ cyp and deca, never used prop or enth before. maybe some of you guys could tell me which you prefer. Also should I throw some d-bol in and if so when and what dosage?
Thanks for any advise
JC

BTW wanting to gain quality lean mass

 

[nishnish]

well, you'll definitely gain quality, len mass off of test, deca and dbol... too bad it will be obscured by loads of water retention and fat lol. you can minimize this through administration of anti-e's and a strict diet however.

as has been said many times before, and could have been answered by a simple search on your part, the only difference you will notice between those three esters of test will be a) time to take effect and b) duration of effect. test is test is test

prop will get into your system quick and leave quickly as well

cyp will take a little longer to get into your system, but will stay active much, much longer than prop

enanthate will take even longer to become active and will stay that way for even longer than cyp

honestly i don't think dbol is a must, especially if you are serious about lean mass gains. you will hold enough water off the deca and test alone; throw in the dbol and you'll be apumpkin head if you're not careful

if you want lean mass gains try EQ and test prop. you'll just have to stick yourself every other day- FUN FUN

 

[jc1908]

nish, thanks I just did some more reasearch and got the info, however you broke down even better. also i'm dropping the d-bol
thanks

 

[nishnish]

sure thing bro, good luck

let us know now it goes

 

[bigmann245]

im using 500mg test e with 50mg dbol and 750mg sust 400mg deca and i dont have the bloat. i am also taking 20mg nolva/day as well so i guess thats helping.

 

[BiG n Natural]

the difference with the tests will not only b duration and time to kick in, but water retention sides

on cyp and enthate alot of water will b held, much less while on prop: thats why its the preferred test to cut on

also the cyp ester lasts longer than enthate; so enathate would kick in faster than cyp and be out of ur system quicker than cyp

well, you'll definitely gain quality, len mass off of test, deca and dbol... too bad it will be obscured by loads of water retention and fat lol. you can minimize this through administration of anti-e's and a strict diet however.

as has been said many times before, and could have been answered by a simple search on your part, the only difference you will notice between those three esters of test will be a) time to take effect and b) duration of effect. test is test is test

prop will get into your system quick and leave quickly as well

cyp will take a little longer to get into your system, but will stay active much, much longer than prop

enanthate will take even longer to become active and will stay that way for even longer than cyp

honestly i don't think dbol is a must, especially if you are serious about lean mass gains. you will hold enough water off the deca and test alone; throw in the dbol and you'll be apumpkin head if you're not careful

if you want lean mass gains try EQ and test prop. you'll just have to stick yourself every other day- FUN FUN

 

[jc1908]

Thanks guys,
If I were doing a cyp+deca 12 weeker, would it be advisable to use some prop at the beginning to get things going?
JC

 

[sweed]

yes u can do that for the first 4 weeks.

 

[nishnish]

also the cyp ester lasts longer than enthate; so enathate would kick in faster than cyp and be out of ur system quicker than cyp

you've got that backwards bro

Testosterone Cypionate is a single-ester, long-acting form of testosterone. Due to the length of its ester (8 carbons) it is stored mostly in the adipose tissue upon intra-musuclar injection, and then slowly but very steadily released over a certain period of time. A peak is noted after 24-48 hours of injection and then a slow decline, reaching a steady point after 12 days and staying there for over 3 weeks time. Of course most users of anabolics will not find adequate benefit in the use of this steady-point dose, so this product is normally injected once a week, making the very lowest dose higher than half the peak dose at any given time. This is roughly the starting blood level as well. A long-acting testosterone ester is a must-have in any mass-building cycle. As such this is a very decent product.

Like testosterone cypionate, enanthate is a single-ester and long-acting form of the base steroid testosterone. To me, its slightly better value for money than the aforementioned because its ester is only 7 instead of 8 carbons in length. Where that doesn't really change much in terms of release and blood concentration for users who inject on a weekly basis, that does mean that less of the weight is ester and more of it is testosterone. When taking an amount of an esterified steroid, that amount in terms of weight is a combination of the ester and the steroid. Naturally the longer the ester is, the more of the weight it takes up. So its safe to state that 500 mg of enanthate contains more testosterone than does 500 mg of cypionate. Not that this slight difference will be noted on a weekly pattern really, but its enough for me to give it a slight edge if given the choice. Although, as stated with cypionate, your choice between enanthate and cypionate is best based on availability. These are a much better choice than sustanon 250 or omnadren, which are blends of different testosterone esters, due to their irregular release. Nonetheless these versions still appear to be more popular with most users for some reason. Before you compare these to shorter esters under the pretense that even more of the weight would be testosterone, for bulking purposes the release pattern and injection pattern of an enanthate or cypionate is more fitting than that of say, a propionate ester. Enanthate and cypionate are very close in those terms, hence the comparison is possible.


enanthate lasts longer in the system due to the ester... and takes longer to become active

 

[digimon7068]

Will be first cycle in 6 years, 39, 5'11 185 don't know bf
Windering if i should stick w/ cyp and deca, never used prop or enth before. maybe some of you guys could tell me which you prefer. Also should I throw some d-bol in and if so when and what dosage?
Thanks for any advise
JC

BTW wanting to gain quality lean mass

39 YOA and want lean muscle mass, eh? Why not just stick with test and leave the other stuff for the kiddies? Sust is great! Test w/o the bloat! BTW, I'm 40 and I'm through with all the other BS. To harsh and the results are to short term.

 

[donsj]

im using 500mg test e with 50mg dbol and 750mg sust 400mg deca and i dont have the bloat. i am also taking 20mg nolva/day as well so i guess thats helping.

Are you really using 1.25 grams of test !