Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Had a feeling something was wrong with me. Haven't been putting on size in a quite a while and have been eating a ton. Had the total testerosterone levels checked. Comes out to 213.ng/dl or whatever. Reference levels aer suppossed to be 241-827 and I think for people around 24 or so its suppossed to be 500. Waiting on doc to call back to see what to do. Does it sound like I may need hrt? Keep in mind I have not ever done a cycle or anything.
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He'll probably run it again before giving you HRT. But maybe not if you're lucky. What he considers low and requiring HRT is going to based on his knowledge of it. Which I am guessing is very limited like most PCP's. Post what he says.
djsf
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Bro, I posted the same exact thing a couple months ago. Low test is an age-old topic here and there are many lengthy threads on that. Since this has been talked about so many times, your thread may not get much response.
For starters, go here and read this thread on the exact same topic. There is a lot of good info in there. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456018 After that I suggest using search and also checking out the HRT forum.
For starters, go here and read this thread on the exact same topic. There is a lot of good info in there. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456018 After that I suggest using search and also checking out the HRT forum.
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immortalis
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djsf said:
Great Post
djsf
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Right here: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=13Neo22 said:
But at 24, you shouldn't need hormone replacement therapy. What you need is most likely to restore your natural, youthful high testosterone levels. At 24 your body should be able to easily produce very anabolic levels of test. If that is not the case, I would do everything possible to recover before considering doing any more steroids. You probably need to stay off all steroids and do a PCT (if you did one already, you need to do another one). The other thread I mentioned is all about that.
JuicedAthletics
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If you read the guys post, he says he has never cycled.. Bump for info for him...
Nighthawkk
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That's pretty low considering you have never cycled. The doc should probably refer you to an endocrinologist and see what they say.
Hye guys I was about to start some hgh to heal my leg muscle that is slightly torn. SHould I wait to start that just incase they make me go get tests done again. Meaning does the hgh have any effect on my test levels. I don't believe it does but I don't want to chance it.
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Neo22 said:
You are way too young for this. Not saying it is impossible ... just very unusual.
There are other reasons for low test ... too much exercise, rigid dieting, infections.
HRT is forever. You don't want this. Ask the Doc a lot of questions.
djsf
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Sorry, I missed that! Yeah, that is alarmingly low test for never having cycled. I would ask your primary doctor if (s)he can refer you to an endocrinologist. That is not normal and should be investigated.JuicedAthletics said:
One thing we can cover while you're here (and your endo will ask you this, too): Have you taken any prohormone supplements? There are some very strong legal prohormone supplements out there that WILL shut you down. Please list all that you have taken. It's possible that you need a PCT even though you have not cycled on steroids. You might have cycled on prohormones.
djsf said:
Lets see when I was 19 I took animal stak or whatever that shit was and various andros, I had no clue what they did. Then when I was 21 I did 1ad 1 bottle 3 pills a day bc my friend had said it woudl help. Never did any pct bc I didn't know about this board or anything like that. Had my test levels checked about 1 year ago when I was 23 doc never gave me the numbers but said they were normal. THen during last august I took 2 shots of test enan and then the girl I was dating tossed the gear. 14 days after the last inject I ran nolva/clomid combo for pct even though I probably didn't need it. Ran clomid at 50mg for 14 days and nolva for 20mg for 4 weeksI guess I should have been more clear. That doesn't constitute a cycle for me though. You guys think I'm shut down still, I had visible testicular shrinkage after the first inject.
K went to the urilogist. He said my levels are too low and would probably be lower without the weight training. He said that he wants to put me on hrt. Gave me a shot of test today. I don't feel really good about it. I asked him if hcg woudl do anything he said more than likely I've always had low test levels. I dunno if i need a second opinion or whtat.
njmuscleguy
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oh man! he gave you a shot of test just like that? did he discuss the ramifications of this first with you? HRT is for life... that's serious stuff... especially at your age... if I recall, you mentioned that you dabbled with a few shots a short while back, then some sort of PCT... if your test levels were ok in the past, maybe you still can be normal.... If I were you, get a second opinion... you may want to consider doing a PROPER PCT... wait until the test clears your system then start with 3 weeks of HCG + Novladex + AI .... then get your bloodwork and see if that helped.... if not, then you should consider the more permanent alternatives! (HRT)
njmuscleguy said:
I figured those shots were so long ago almost 9 months that the body would have hit homeostasis. I only had 500mg total in 1 week. THen I did the proper, nolva clomid combo. I'm waiting on my results to see if my levels were low before those two shots or not getting from another doc.
JohnnyWest
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Do a VERY well planned PCT before ever concidering HRT. Ask the bros what they think would be a good one and i'm sure we can help you.
djsf
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I would do a PCT now, then wait a month and get your levels retested. You can have low test and need HCG even without your balls being visibly shrunken. That happened to me, my test levels were 80 and my balls wer hardly shrunk at all. After another PCT, I am back at 520 with about the same size balls (I am 41 years old).
Here is a proposed PCT:
week 1: nolva 20mg ed
week 2-3: nolva 40mg ed, HCG 1000iu eod (for 10 days - 10,000iu total)
week 4-5: nolva 20mg ed
Optionally you can add this in, overlapping the above:
day 1: clomid 300mg
day 2-10: clomid 100mg ed
day 11-20: clomid 50mg ed
You can also try using 6-oxo (a widely available testosterone boosting supplement that from my experience works very well) after this PCT:
week 4-7: 6-oxo, 1 capsule 2x daily
week 8-9: 6-oxo, i capsule daily (tapering off)
Around week 11 or 12, get your natural test levels re-measured. If they are not in the normal range, only then consider HRT. It is highly unusual for a 24 year old to require HRT! You want to make that decision very carefully with your primary care physician (not an HRT doctor - they can be biased) and an endocrinologist referred by your primary doctor.
Here is a proposed PCT:
week 1: nolva 20mg ed
week 2-3: nolva 40mg ed, HCG 1000iu eod (for 10 days - 10,000iu total)
week 4-5: nolva 20mg ed
Optionally you can add this in, overlapping the above:
day 1: clomid 300mg
day 2-10: clomid 100mg ed
day 11-20: clomid 50mg ed
You can also try using 6-oxo (a widely available testosterone boosting supplement that from my experience works very well) after this PCT:
week 4-7: 6-oxo, 1 capsule 2x daily
week 8-9: 6-oxo, i capsule daily (tapering off)
Around week 11 or 12, get your natural test levels re-measured. If they are not in the normal range, only then consider HRT. It is highly unusual for a 24 year old to require HRT! You want to make that decision very carefully with your primary care physician (not an HRT doctor - they can be biased) and an endocrinologist referred by your primary doctor.
njmuscleguy
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I agree with djsf, as I am in the same boat as he.... I finished my last cycle in December... did PCT a little too early it seems and when I got my test levels back, they were less than 100! Had all the symptoms of low test too... so now I'm 1 week into a second PCT... it's been very confusing since as you noted, there are tons of suggestions... what I've gathered is this:
HCG + Nolvadex + AI are a must.... if you can handle the sides, maybe throw in the clomid.
As for HCG, the equivalent of 300-500 iu per day seems to be the most acceptable dosage.... some will do 1000 - 1500 iu 3 times a week.... it averages out to about 300-500 iu per day.... this is what I decided to do:
Wks 1-3 HCG 500 iu ED
Wks 1-3 AIFM (or Aromasin)
Wks 1-3 Vitamin E 1000iu ED (better absorption of HCG)
Wks 1-6 Nolvadex 20 mg/day
Wks 1-6 Clomid 50mg/day (I decided to try the minimum dosage to avoid sides, most others will recommend starting with 100-300 mg / day the first week and then taper down to 50 mg /day)
This seems to be working well.... I suggest waiting the 14 days to let the test clear your system... get your hands on HCG, Nolva, an AI (either AIFM or Liquidex or Aromasin), and maybe some Clomid (optional)... do this for the 6 weeks.... then get your bloodwork again... only then should you make any big decisions...
Good luck!
HCG + Nolvadex + AI are a must.... if you can handle the sides, maybe throw in the clomid.
As for HCG, the equivalent of 300-500 iu per day seems to be the most acceptable dosage.... some will do 1000 - 1500 iu 3 times a week.... it averages out to about 300-500 iu per day.... this is what I decided to do:
Wks 1-3 HCG 500 iu ED
Wks 1-3 AIFM (or Aromasin)
Wks 1-3 Vitamin E 1000iu ED (better absorption of HCG)
Wks 1-6 Nolvadex 20 mg/day
Wks 1-6 Clomid 50mg/day (I decided to try the minimum dosage to avoid sides, most others will recommend starting with 100-300 mg / day the first week and then taper down to 50 mg /day)
This seems to be working well.... I suggest waiting the 14 days to let the test clear your system... get your hands on HCG, Nolva, an AI (either AIFM or Liquidex or Aromasin), and maybe some Clomid (optional)... do this for the 6 weeks.... then get your bloodwork again... only then should you make any big decisions...
Good luck!
djsf
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Yup, that's about right. About 2 1/2 months to recover fully. Your recovery might go quicker, but I don't know how shut down you are or what your exact prohormone history is. So I would plan for the worst and hope for the best. This is an effective recovery regimen, so if it doesn't work you can be pretty sure any remaining problem is a medical one you need to work on with your endocrinologist.Neo22 said:
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