Test "killers" ?

[Jackbeanstalk]

I'm 57 and have been on Test Cyp inj., 125 mg. a week for 6 years. I'm also taking Vicodin for nerve tumors in my feet, Adderal (for ADHD), and anti-depressants (Wellbutrin). I don't know what my levels are, no insurance= no money for doctor visit. The clinic I go to for the other meds doesn't do HRT. I figured I'd ask you guys if any of these meds has a negative effect on T-levels. I also consume several beers a few times a week. Thanks for input, JB

 

[Jackbeanstalk]

Iread my original post but didn't ask the question: which of these meds I take could affect my T levels? Thanks, JB

 

[shavas]

Well since you are taking exogeneous testosterone neither of those meds are likely to have any effect on your test levels since you are already shut down and not producing any test yourself, or very little. However, antidepressants like Wellbutrin are known for having sexual side effects such as ED. Current studies have shown that antidepressants actually do more harm than good for the people that use them due to the side effects.

 

[XMAN.]

r u having any symptoms like ED , mood swings , lethargy (lack of energy).....???
what r ur concerns for ? like shavas said there r no worries for test production since ur on HRT in the first place.
the meds ur taking for ADHD may affect ur mood and ur arousal, eventhough both of them boosts dopamine and should do the opposite but it's still a matter of a ratio between neurotransmitters and ur meds may be screwing that. adderall is a psychostimulant and an aphetamine based drug that increase dopamine and norepinephrine in the brain and wellbuterin is not the regular SSRI anti depressant (like prosac and zoloft) that works on ihibiting the serotonine reuptake in the brain but it actually inhibit the reuptake of dopamine and norepinephrine too to hold them in ur brain.
in other words u should be taking one of them not both, i have ADHD too and tried many of these drugs, adderall and methylphenidate (ritalin) r anphetamine based drugs the strongest for ADHD but should be taken after several attempts with lesser and softer drugs that failed, like strattera and wellbuterin.... u may take wellbuterin when trying to stop adderall but taking both together u may end up with high levels of dopamine and norepinephrine which in turn screw tbings up and make u feel depressed agitated demotivated loss of desire and even suicidal thoughts, i suggests u check it with a psychiatrist and decide what's best for u. u may try Concerta (methylphenidate extended release) it has less fluctuations same as ritalin but slower release but alone. but of course this has to be confirmed bu ur psychiatrist first.
how long have u been on both drugs ? and how much (dose) ?

 

[Jackbeanstalk]

I used to feel "better" after a shot, within an hour or 2, now I can barely tell. I take Adderall 20mg.X 3, Prozac 10mg., Wellbutrin (went from 300mg. to 150mg.), Xanax twice a day, and have recently deleloped slight Hypertension and had to start a small dose of Synthroid. The vicodin, usually6 a day. I do drink beer, 8-10, 3-5 nights a week, getting ready to quit it. I get seen at the free clinic Tuesday for lab work, including T-levels. Is it true high T-levels can make you tired and depressed?

 

[Mh48500]

Long term use of vicodin will sut down your test production. After 2 years of use/abuse I had all the symptoms of low test. When I went in for my blood work my test came back at 191, very low. I was put on trt, but ultimately dropping the vicodin usegot me back to normal.

There are quite a few articles on the web about low testosterone from vicodin use. Hope that helps.

 

[Jackbeanstalk]

I appreciate you guy's info, I guess it sounds like a few "test-killers" are in my regimen. I've wondered about the Wellbutrin, X-man, it makes me feel that the Adderall does not work as well as it did before the doc started me on it, replacing Paxil. I take only 150mg a day, says to take 2, but I wanted to come off it. I guess I'll ask the doc about it, I'm on Adderall 20mg x 3. I do have ED trouble and have a lot of trouble climaxing. It's partly due, I think, to a hard lump at the penis base. A Uroligist called it something, said it was where I might have "bent it" during sex and all he could do is make a cut (YOUCH!) at the base to help the Johnson straighten out when erect (the lump makes it crooked when hard) so he wasn't much help. I was also told that my T levels were too high last time they checked them, at 1100 ng/dl and that could be causing fatigue and lethargy (?)

 

[Dial_tone]

Maybe its just me but 8-10 beers 3-5 nights a week sound like a whole lot. That much might affect you also.

 

[training700]

Sounds like a lot to me to

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[BowlerDM]

Are you on an anti estrogen. When undergoing TRT sometimes test is turned into estrogen. Also alcohol reduces test.

I can't post links yet so Google this

'MY CURRENT BEST THOUGHTS ON HOW TO ADMINISTER TRT FOR MEN' and read the Word document. Also Google the man who wrote it Dr. John Crisler.

Also Google and read this 'Dr. wants me to take Testosterone shots, what should I expect?' there's some guys on there that can answer all your questions. Not saying guys on here can't

 

[Jackbeanstalk]

Thanks fellas, I reckon I'm shootin' myself in the foot while expecting my T-levels to be giving me a boost while I'm busy pushing them back down with other substances. I plan on getting rid of the beer and Vicodin soon, we'll see what that does. JB

 

[XMAN.]

I used to feel "better" after a shot, within an hour or 2, now I can barely tell. I take Adderall 20mg.X 3, Prozac 10mg., Wellbutrin (went from 300mg. to 150mg.), Xanax twice a day, and have recently deleloped slight Hypertension and had to start a small dose of Synthroid. The vicodin, usually6 a day. I do drink beer, 8-10, 3-5 nights a week, getting ready to quit it. I get seen at the free clinic Tuesday for lab work, including T-levels. Is it true high T-levels can make you tired and depressed?

i don't think ur T levels is the culprit here, u may check ur E2 for that and btw r u on any AI ?
what i strongly suggest is that u minimize most of these meds ur taking now this is a hell of a mix ur having, other than Test and the synthroid u have to find a way to minimize if not stopping the other substances.

 

[Jackbeanstalk]

Went to the clinic, Dr. said hormones were not out of timing, said T-levels were"good" (1.057 ng/dl). The last Dr. I saw a few years ago said 1,100 ng/dl (they were at the time) was "way too high" (?) Got put on low dose, loe "ED" side-effect HBP med. BP has been high for a while. I want to stop the alcohol first, I think it may be a culprit. Thanks fellas, JB

 

[Judo Tom]

how long have you been taking vicoden and drinking like this?

what is your bf%

im gonna guess that you want to feel good and healthy but you are not living a good healthy life


ive had some nasty injuries that had me on opiates for month and yeah it helped the pain but still made me unhealthy, weak, run down, etc etc.. add alcohol to that and its not a good mix

 

[Headholio]

I used to feel "better" after a shot, within an hour or 2, now I can barely tell. I take Adderall 20mg.X 3, Prozac 10mg., Wellbutrin (went from 300mg. to 150mg.), Xanax twice a day, and have recently deleloped slight Hypertension and had to start a small dose of Synthroid. The vicodin, usually6 a day. I do drink beer, 8-10, 3-5 nights a week, getting ready to quit it. I get seen at the free clinic Tuesday for lab work, including T-levels. Is it true high T-levels can make you tired and depressed?

I think everyone here is being taken for a ride. This can't be serious.

Xanax alone twice a day can make you tired and depressed. Then add 6 vicodin??????? then......

And synthroid isn't for high blood pressure. In fact, it causes high blood pressure.

Hello, I'm taking all kinds of uppers and downers and pain killers and mood altering drugs every day, all day long, and washing it all down with alcohol and I don't feel right. Do you think my testosterone levels are too high?

 

[Jackbeanstalk]

Hi Tom, I was only on the ADHD meds and T-shots for years. No opiates, not a drop of alcohol for over 20 years, T-levels stayed stable. It was not until 2 years ago, I lived with my Fiance' and her disabled son in a condo that was tested positive for large colonies of Black Mold and 2 other toxic strains. That's where it went South. That mold made me feel so funky, it got harder to breathe, woke up in night-sweats, tremors, developed nerve tumors on both feet, toes began curling inward, "Hammer Toe" is what it's called. The pain was like stepping on a nail with each step, each foot. Sleep and nerves got shot, hence the beer (did not know anything else to do, the beer relieved the feet spasms) that felt like someone was tickling them from the inside out and they would jerk and spasm after I'd been on them for a while. We're working on treatment but Dr.'s in the South are not on top of toxin exposure like they are other places, so it's been a self-medicating trial-and-error thing just to be able to keep working. I know the alcohol needs to go, but so do the ungodly leg spasms. I take Accupril for the HBP, the Synthroid for the Thyroid. These 2 things have only recently developed. I'm thinking they came about from losing 65-75% useage of my feet, no leg presses, no hikes or eliptical. I put on about 12 extra pounds, BF is at 18%, total wt. is 200 lbs. It's hard to distinguish what's causing the low-energy and strength levels, not working out much cause there's nothing left. The mold is surely a factor (my Fiance' and step-son-to-be are the same way) The boy almost died from the exposure. You are right about the tiredness from the Vic's and beer, it helps at the time, but not all the time. I should feel better than I do with T-levels at 1,057 ng/dl., guess it's weakened by the other stuff I do. I'm stopping the alcohol after I talk to the doc next week, I know there's got to be a better way. This is a tough one to figure what's best to do, it's very confusing, like a cycle of "ya' need this to stop one problem, and then you need that to stop the aftermath of this.." Hoolio, don't know where you're coming from and this is a living nightmare, try it before passing your opinions, you have no idea.... JB

 

[lander2312]

I am with headholio...and mold is one of the greatest crocks of shit the media has ever over hyped....mold is everywhere....always around us. Short of your walls falling down with it or clogging your vents your fine.

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[Jackbeanstalk]

Go to some of the medical forums and look at some of the posts on Enviromental Illnesses. See how much of a "crock" it is. Tell the ones planted in the ground from it they ain't really dead from Toxic Mold Exposure. Where you been the last 10 years, man? The enviroment is much more toxic than ever, and so have the mold strains become. Lack of knowledge creates a fear of what one does not know or understand, my friend.

 

[Headholio]

Go to some of the medical forums and look at some of the posts on Enviromental Illnesses. See how much of a "crock" it is. Tell the ones planted in the ground from it they ain't really dead from Toxic Mold Exposure. Where you been the last 10 years, man? The enviroment is much more toxic than ever, and so have the mold strains become. Lack of knowledge creates a fear of what one does not know or understand, my friend.

Maybe you can get 6 or 7 new prescriptions for mold illnesses to add to the 20 other things you are taking, and see if that helps.

In other words, I think you are a hypochondriac. You know, drugs have interactions. Take too many and they start doing things they aren't supposed to do, and stop doing what they are intended for. I bet you'd feel better if you threw all that crap away.

 

[Headholio]

I am with headholio...and mold is one of the greatest crocks of shit the media has ever over hyped....mold is everywhere....always around us. Short of your walls falling down with it or clogging your vents your fine.

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You got that right. And if you ever sell a home you better make sure you have no mold before the inspector finds it. A black piece of drywall you could replace for 20 bucks will become a 20,000 dollar remediation project if your Real Estate agent finds out (they are required by law to disclose problems like that, even though they are supposed to be working for you!)

 

[Jackbeanstalk]

I guess I need to re-evaluate things. I am taking more crap than I want to, I actually hate taking pills and crap, but you find yourself in a viscious cycle, man, it sneaks up on a person. I'm tired of it, too, Bro', I realize you speak with a "tough-love" mannerism but it made me think. All that crap is not good. JB

 

[Judo Tom]

hey ive been there.. more times than id like to remember but you can kick all the crap out of your life and come back better than ever!

if you need some place to vent or someone to talk to this is the place

feel free to PM me if you would like