“Test is Test.” The actual amount of testosterone in your gear.

[duff_rose]

But time and time again we see people complain more about short acting esters causing the so called 'test flu'.

I believe that "test flu" and other gear related problems are due the sterility of the gear. Vet gear seems to cause more of these issues than human gear. In my opinion if you get good quality human grade gear you should not have issues like test flu.

 

[bigdelt69]

Oh, so I guess you are saying that all short acting esters have problems with sterility? The amount of BA required to suspend this stuff in oil, is more than enough to take care of any sterility problems. IT IS A KNOW PROVEN FACT THAT ALL FORMS OF TESTOSTERONE CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH IMMUNE FUNCTION.
I have even come across one study that showed Testosterone prop to have a more negative effect on cellular immunity than Testosterone Enanthate. I will dig up the study when I have the time.

BTW- It's nice to actually see some intelligent discussion here on elite.

Karma to Nelson , and buff_rose

 

[duff_rose]

Oh, so I guess you are saying that all short acting esters have problems with sterility? The amount of BA required to suspend this stuff in oil, is more than enough to take care of any sterility problems. IT IS A KNOW PROVEN FACT THAT ALL FORMS OF TESTOSTERONE CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH IMMUNE FUNCTION.

I really didn't make my last statement clear. I should have stated that vet gear will cause MORE problems than human grade gear.

Duff

 

[brotheriron]

Actually in most contries of the world vet products are made to exactly the same standards as human grade gear
Bro

 

[duff_rose]

Actually in most contries of the world vet products are made to exactly the same standards as human grade gear
Bro

I'm sure some companies do a good job in making quality gear for vet purposes. I don't have information on all companies standards nor do I worry about it as I do not juice anymore. However; I have seen test results from companies such as Brovel and Ttokkyo in my juicing days which had disturbingly high number of bacteria. One test on Brovel T-200 came back at 25X the amount of bacteria that is allowed by the FDA, and was underdosed by 25% (It only contained 150mg per ml of test). To make things worse the 10ml bottle only contained 8ml. This is not the kind of stuff I would like to be injecting into my body.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

ester effects release.. which affects activity. as release pattern which can vary A LOT.. affects levels of systemic release which in turn affect level of aromatization, 5a reduction, and can have impact on androgen to estrogen ratios.. (spike and troughs)

the real issue is not "which test is best".. but "which test ester is best for me"... lack of certain esterases or higher levels of them can greatly effect response... esterase activity and "replenishment" (though have not looked at this too closely) are likely factors as well.


btw- oil volume and injection site affects release.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

btw- ester mixing is often best... part of the reason the sustanon is so popular (though it does have draw backs and still should be injected frequently-- for optimal blood levels)

 

[macrophage69alpha]

and agree with duff rose...
ester weight IS important in determining dosing.. though it is but one factor..

 

[duff_rose]

So your sayin all gear is underdosed then?

I believe you are missing the point here. What is labeled on the bottle is how much of the testosterone + ester there is. For example: Let’s say you have a bottle that is labeled 200mg of testosterone enantate per ml. There is only 144mg of actual testosterone per ml, but there is also 56mg of ester weight included per ml. So the label would be correct as there is actually 200mg per ml of testosterone ENANTATE per ml in the bottle (144mg testosterone weight+ 65mg ester weight =200mg total weight). I hope this clears things up for you.

Regards,
Duff

 

[busta246]

ok i got it. thanks for the info! if i knwe how to give karma i would.