“Test is Test.” The actual amount of testosterone in your gear.

[duff_rose]

Most of you understand the concept that test is test, however; I see a lot of posts from people who think that one form of testosterone causes more sides than others. This simply is not true, assuming the product is dosed properly (true to what the label says) and it is real stuff.

The ester is ONLY a time release mechanism for the testosterone molecule that it holds. It does not change the half life of the testosterone molecule. Thus the expression "Test is Test."

If you inject 100mg of propionate every day, this will equal 700mg of test per week (simple enough). The same goes if you take 2 shots per week of enanthate at 350mg. That also equals 700mg per week. However; it will not hit that level in your body until 2-3 weeks as opposed to the 2-3 days it takes the propionate to "kick in."

The only variable in these equations is that the enanthate ester weighs more than the propionate ester. The enanthate ester weighs approximately 31% of the testosterone molecule + ester, and the propionate ester takes up approximately 16% of the testosterone molecule + ester. This being said, a 200mg ml of testosterone enanthate will actually equal 138mg of actual testosterone, and 200mg of testosterone propionate will equal 168mg of actual testosterone. This is a difference of 30mg, and will have an effect on the side effects that are caused from testosterone use.

The following is the actual amount of testosterone that is in each 100mg dose of the drug:

Testosterone Cypionate: 70mg
Testosterone Decanoate: 65mg
Testosterone Enantate: 72mg
Testosterone Isocaproate: 75mg
Testosterone Phenylpropionate: 69mg
Testosterone Propionate: 84mg
Testosterone Suspension: 100mg
Testosterone Undecanoate: 63mg

I hope this helps clear up some myths that are out there.

Regards,
Duff

 

[doublebicep]

Most def an interesting post duff_rose. No one disputing your facts...yet. So when we read bros stating, "I am doing 1 gram of test a week...etc..." Unless they are using a Suspension then it is more then likey ~ 3/4 of a gram. Hmmmm....interesting indeed.

 

[javaguru]

Good and solid basic information which should be a sticky.

 

[powerslave]

Good post.

This is often overlooked!

 

[bigdelt69]

Great post, although I do think that not all forms of testosterone cause the same sides. Short acting esters like prop, tend to have a greater impact on immune function.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Never saw those figures before. Where'd you find them?

At any rate, the numbers are still so similar that the point of your post remains -- test is test.

And if what we think is 100 is really 72, what's the difference? It's just figure to gauge. (Unless now guys will be saying; "I took a gram but it's REALLY only 720mgs!)

The only part of the post I dispute is the "time to circulate" concept. Test is effective almost immediatly. (Once it filters through the bloodstream -- about an hour) What it does after 3 days is no different from what it's doing after 3 hours. So test is test, and it does what test does as long as it's active.

 

[duff_rose]

Great post, although I do think that not all forms of testosterone cause the same sides. Short acting esters like prop, tend to have a greater impact on immune function.

Some forms of testosterone do cause different side effects such as nandrolone, methandrostenolone, trenbolone, etc… All these drugs are derivatives of the testosterone molecule and cause different side effects because they are different in structure (yet very similar). However; testosterone propionate, testosterone enantate, and any other testosterone that is linked with an ester will cause the same side effects because they all contain the same drug (testosterone). The reason people say that propionate and suspension cause more, or faster side effects than, say, enantate are because they release faster in your body. As I said in the original post; The ester (propionate, enantate, etc…) is ONLY a time release mechanism for the testosterone molecule that it holds.

 

[duff_rose]

Never saw those figures before. Where'd you find them?

At any rate, the numbers are still so similar that the point of your post remains -- test is test.

And if what we think is 100 is really 72, what's the difference? It's just figure to gauge. (Unless now guys will be saying; "I took a gram but it's REALLY only 720mgs!)

The only part of the post I dispute is the "time to circulate" concept. Test is effective almost immediatly. (Once it filters through the bloodstream -- about an hour) What it does after 3 days is no different from what it's doing after 3 hours. So test is test, and it does what test does as long as it's active.

Nelson,

I got those figures out of a couple different chemistry books in the library. I’m not sure the name of them right now as they are not in front of me. Basically I got the molecular weight of the testosterone molecule and the molecular weight of the different esters and did my own math. I can post the numbers if you like.

I quite frankly am very surprised to see you say that the numbers are so close that it doesn’t matter. To hear this from a guy that believes taking small doses is the best way to build quality muscle (a theory that I very much agree with) and then to say this is beyond me. I thought you of all people would believe in precise dosing. I mean, what’s the difference between 100mg suspension per day and 200mg enantate every other day??? Almost 200mg per week of actual testosterone is the difference.

Your “time to circulate” concept is correct. However; the point of the post was to show people how much the esters actually weigh. Sure, a testosterone molecule will do the same thing now or 3 days from now if it is still active. But it’s the amount of active testosterone in your system that causes benefits and side effects.

I mean no disrespect as I enjoy your readings and theories, but I am surprised to hear you say what you did.

Best regards,
Duff

 

[Zeke_B]

For all test esters to behave EXACTLY the same they must be injected at a frequency inversely proportional to the halflife of the ester. Prop should be injected in smaller dosages per inj. but more often than enanthate or other large molecule esters. 500mg of prop injected once per week will cause blood test levels to be less steady than 500mg of enanthate or sust (plus a little more to correct for the ester weight) also injected once per week. This mistake may account for people's perception that all test isn't the same.

 

[Malleus]

good post, i think that cleared some stuff up for me