Test is Not the Best...

[The Almighty]

...for me at least. Maybe I was born backwards, maybe I am a hermaphrodite, in either case test is not effective on me at all.

No, I dont get bloated and my hair does not fall out, I just dont get any results. My first time around the block with test was using omnadrens, and I gained shit. This time I am using suspension, in the 3rd week, and aside from the slight case of gyno that Senor Nolvadex is currently working on, I have yet to see any results at all. I have been injecting 50mg/twice every day.

My sex drive does not increase at all, which is weird considering when I am on fina I feel like shagging every female in sight.

Needless to say, Ms. Cleo has told me, so I have agreed to drop the suspension from my cycle and am continuing with the eq @ 600mg/week waiting for my blessed fina to show up so I can run that @ 150mg/ed along with some winny for the remaining 8 weeks of my cycle.

Anyway, just goes to show you how different people react to different compounds in this game. So far fina and winny have been the only things that have actually worked for me, so I may just stick with those from now on.

P.S. Yes, I know that 3 weeks into a cycle is not long, however from my studies I have seen that 99% of people who use suspension see and feel the difference after 2 weeks max.

 

[Josey Wales]

I have use Sostenon ( a mixture of 4 test) several times over the last four years and have had great results...

 

[alien amp pharm]

you're just looking for a fight, aren't ya!

Test does the body good. You'll take the test and you'll like it damnit!

 

[The Almighty]

I have use Sostenon ( a mixture of 4 test) several times over the last four years and have had great results...

Ya I know thats the thing, I feel like Im missing out on all this great shit, but honestly it has proven to not be worth the money, for me personally.

As I said, I am in the minority.

 

[Nathan]

It owrks for me but I don't want to use it anymore. My face bloats way too much even with Liquidex. Not worth it. BTW, The Almighty was born backwards. He has an ass for a face.

 

[The Almighty]

Test does the body good. You'll take the test and you'll like it damnit!

Obviously you havent tried fina.

 

[alien amp pharm]

BTW, The Almighty was born backwards. He has an ass for a face.

I guess that brings new meaning to the term "shit-faced"

 

[caiza]

i grow better and feel better on deca and primo...

 

[alien amp pharm]

Obviously you havent tried fina.

No, you're right - I haven't. I really want to just never have. The stuff kicks ass from what I've seen/read. I think I'm just too lazy to prepare it.

 

[The Almighty]

Consider the high possibility that it is fake. 700mg suspension/week is nothing you just don't feel. What brand are you using and does it hurt when you inject? Give us as much detail as possible.

It was made from a synovex implant which I decided to do after sifting through serge's posts. Honestly it was just like making fina, except took 2-3 more days. The directions were followed exactly so I see no reason why it should not work.

It does not hurt when I inject but nothing really ever has. The omnadrens and even a high concentration of fina doesnt bother me the least bit as long as I inject slowly and massage the area after, which I always do.

 

[The Man Child]

Well aint that a bitch...It's like I always say, if test isn't working, go with fina...That really does surprise me though. I'm guessing you just bought some bunk shit.

 

[The Almighty]

I'm guessing you just bought some bunk shit.

It was made so I know that it is not bunk. I made quite sure that the omnadrens I had used in the past were not bunk as well.

But you are right, from now on I will stick to fina and winny, with some definate deca in my future. I have always wanted to try that.

 

[The Almighty]

It was the synovex implant you can pick up legally at any vet store where you buy fina. Yes, we did use A's kit and followed his directions to the letter.

 

[The Almighty]

Dunno what to say man, I don't react all that well to test either though.

Hehe, at least I know Im not the only one. I guess not I can finally take a side whenever the Test Mods vs. Deca Mods start having debates.

 

[athlete03]

No results from suspension? Sounds atypical. What dose were/are you taking?

 

[The Almighty]

No results from suspension? Sounds atypical. What dose were/are you taking?

50mg twice daily...Math 107 tells me thats 100mg/ed.

 

[The Almighty]

Deca sucks even worse for me lol. I am gonna give suspension a try at 700mg/week and see if it works for me. If it doesn't then I am gonna stay off test.

Seriously give fina a try if you havent already and I assure you that you will be hooked.

 

[Mike P.T.]

Test =

But I am trying fina soon as well once the shit comes in and I can make it already. hehehe. From what I hear fina will kick test's ass especially on a mg for mg basis. But it doesn't give the increased sex drive that test does.

 

[The Almighty]

Test =

But I am trying fina soon as well once the shit comes in and I can make it already. hehehe. From what I hear fina will kick test's ass especially on a mg for mg basis. But it doesn't give the increased sex drive that test does.

I would advise you never to question me in the future.

Yes, soon you will see how fina blows the shit out of any other type of gear when it comes to results. As for the sex drive...well all I can say is that I guess fina likes me. It actually keeps my face clear from acne as well.

 

[solidspine]

I think you had fake test.......

 

[Mike P.T.]

I would advise you never to question me in the future.

But what if I have a question that needs to be answered by you oh wise one???

 

[The Almighty]

I think you had fake test.......

Ok, so I assume that the vet company from which I purchased the synovex legally sells fake implants?

As for the omnadrens I had used in the past, I know for a fact they were real because my friend used the same ones and had great results.

 

[The Almighty]

But what if I have a question that needs to be answered by you oh wise one???

Send me the bottle of fina you are going to make and we will call it even.

 

[da big thinker]

tren is in a category all by itself...wanna try a great test...?

TESTEX ELMU (cyp)...awesome baby...just awesome...

 

[Mike P.T.]

Send me the bottle of fina you are going to make and we will call it even.

DEAL!!!!!

 

[The Almighty]

tren is in a category all by itself...wanna try a great test...?

TESTEX ELMU (cyp)...awesome baby...just awesome...

So I hear...those and ICNs. Either way, Im officially done with test, I dont see it worth anymore of my time and money.

 

[jboldman]

I really think you owe it to yourself to try some other tests. It baffles me how you can take 700mg of suspension a week and not see some results. There is a wide world of test out there that goes particularly well with fina that you will be missing out on.

 

[The Almighty]

I really think you owe it to yourself to try some other tests. It baffles me how you can take 700mg of suspension a week and not see some results. There is a wide world of test out there that goes particularly well with fina that you will be missing out on.

Thats true, which is why I am so upset by this. If I am feeling so inclined and the money allows, I may try viromones my next cycle with some fina and see how that treats me.

 

[nautica]

To get results with suspension you must shoot 3-4 times daily. If you are not up for that go with prop and shoot ed at about a gram a week. You will notice results from that.

You might also consider the fact that you did not have an increase in your sex drive, being an indicator that your gear was fake.

But, I do have to agree with you about one thing. Fina is the bomb.

 

[The Almighty]

To get results with suspension you must shoot 3-4 times daily. If you are not up for that go with prop and shoot ed at about a gram a week. You will notice results from that.

You might also consider the fact that you did not have an increase in your sex drive, being an indicator that your gear was fake.

But, I do have to agree with you about one thing. Fina is the bomb.

I have talked with numerous people and they all said that 2X/ed would be sufficient.

Also, about the sex drive, it has increased however it is not up to the majority of people on test. What I mean to say is a slight increase, but nothing even remotely astounding. I also dont see how the gear could be fake considering I made it from legal synovex implants. It has also made my gyno act up a little.

 

[nautica]

I noticed a difference when I went from shooting 1 or 2 times a day to 4 times a day.

For me the best way to use suspension is in combo with prop.

Start you cycle off with high doses of suspension, swith to prop and then end you cycle with suspension.

But, then again I have my reasons for getting drugs in and out of my system very quickly.

Nautica

 

[Ulter]

Ah come on bro you can't be serious!! You can't give up on test just because your home brew suspension isn't working. I don't know whether you made it right or not but logic would say not. Test is the best base of any cycle. It's the only hormone we use that your body actually has a need for. Give it another chance pleeeeeease. Try a 8 weeks cycle of enanthate or 6 weeks of prop before you throw in the towel. You owe to yourself. Come on one more and then you can quit if you don't like it. Just one.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Almighty, I agree with you. I would never use Test as the backbone of my cycle. Trenbelone and Deca with Winstrol, EQ or Primo seem to work the best for me. As for sex drive, on tren I am horny as hell. I guess we must have similar responses to these drugs.

 

[The Almighty]

Re: Re: Test is Not the Best...

if you don't mind, post your diet and training routines along with your stats.

Also, how much rest are getting?

No problem, surprised nobody asked earlier:

5'8, 205 pounds, 14% bf

Diet:

Meal 1: 6 Eggs and 2 piece of Wheat Toast

Meal 2: Tuna and white rice

Meal 3: 3 chicken filet patties and stuffing.

Meal 4: Shake (Isopure)

Meal 5: Post-workout meal, usually two hamburgers and some veggies.

Meal 6: Canned chicken and stuffing

Meal 7: Jumbo Burrito


Training:

Sunday: Back/Biceps

Strict Pullups: 3 X 10-15
T-Bar Rows: 4 X 12, 10, 8, 6
One Arm DB Rows: 4 X 12, 10, 8, 6
Straight Bar Curls: 3 X 10, 8, 8
Reverse Curls: 3 X 10, 8, 8

Tuesday: Chest

Incline Flys: 3 X 10
Incline: 4 X 10, 8, 8, 6
Flat: 4 X 10, 8, 8, 6
Flat Flys: 3 X 10
Dips: 3 X 10 (sometimes superset with pushups)


Thursday: Shoulders/Triceps

DB Military Press: 4 X 10, 10, 8, 6
Upright Rows: 4 X 10, 10, 8, 6
DB Lateral Raises: 3 X 10, 8, 8
Shurgs: 3 X 15, 10, 10
Close Grip Bench: 3 X 10, 10, 8
French Curl: 3 X 10, 10, 8
Tricep Pressdowns: 3 X 10

Saturday: Legs

Squats: 4 X 20, 15, 10, 8
Leg Press: 4 X 10
Calf Raises 3 X 20
If I am not dead by then I may do some leg curls as well.

 

[The Almighty]

Almighty, I agree with you. I would never use Test as the backbone of my cycle. Trenbelone and Deca with Winstrol, EQ or Primo seem to work the best for me. As for sex drive, on tren I am horny as hell. I guess we must have similar responses to these drugs.

Thata boy...good to know there are others like me.

Originally posted by ulter Ah come on bro you can't be serious!! You can't give up on test just because your home brew suspension isn't working. I don't know whether you made it right or not but logic would say not. Test is the best base of any cycle. It's the only hormone we use that your body actually has a need for. Give it another chance pleeeeeease. Try a 8 weeks cycle of enanthate or 6 weeks of prop before you throw in the towel. You owe to yourself. Come on one more and then you can quit if you don't like it. Just one.

Hehe, I figured you would be on here attempting that peer pressure. Idunno honestly, I dont really feel like wasting good money that could be spent on something that may actually react well in my body.

 

[MadCow1]

I'm not a test fan - I've used US brands from pharmacies all esters avail (did not use suspension). I get water, strength, and sides if over 500mg. I grow better off 200mg of deca than 400mg of test any day. That being said it works great in a cycle even at 200mg weekly so if I was to run a mass cycle, I might be tempted to put it in. I think you had a bad experience with the implants. Next time try high grade and see.

Concerning your training - if you want to get big you should pair down all the isolation and assistance work. Concentrate on the big exercises and just finish it up with 1 or 2 well selected assistance choices. For me back is deads, bent rows, pullups. I use good mornings and cleans or highpulls on another day. The only thing in your workout on par with any of these are your squats. Eliminate the bullshit work (flies, laterals - unless injured) and put your effort into exercises that produce results - mainly barbell work with a few DB's interspersed- spend time and get good at them. Many massive bodies have been built solely around squating, deads/cleans, and benching. Don't waste a lot of time with the other stuff as it amounts to 5% of your results over time and should be treated as such. Better to leave early and watch Seinfeld rerun while eating.

 

[steelhdman]

Damn almighty, your gettin huge! I remember not too long ago you were like 165 wasnt it? 205, damn.

what was your weight right before you started this cycle?

 

[The Almighty]

Damn almighty, your gettin huge! I remember not too long ago you were like 165 wasnt it? 205, damn.

what was your weight right before you started this cycle?

I started my first cycle at 165 @ about 9-10% bf...got up to 188 @ 12% bodyfat. After training naturally for a while I was up at 201 @ 15% bf, then did 7 days of dnp to bring me down to 195 @ 13% bf. That was a few months ago, started this cycle 198 @ 14%...today I weighed in at 207, bf around the same maybe a little lower.

 

[The Almighty]

I'm not a test fan - I've used US brands from pharmacies all esters avail (did not use suspension). I get water, strength, and sides if over 500mg. I grow better off 200mg of deca than 400mg of test any day. That being said it works great in a cycle even at 200mg weekly so if I was to run a mass cycle, I might be tempted to put it in. I think you had a bad experience with the implants. Next time try high grade and see.

Concerning your training - if you want to get big you should pair down all the isolation and assistance work. Concentrate on the big exercises and just finish it up with 1 or 2 well selected assistance choices. For me back is deads, bent rows, pullups. I use good mornings and cleans or highpulls on another day. The only thing in your workout on par with any of these are your squats. Eliminate the bullshit work (flies, laterals - unless injured) and put your effort into exercises that produce results - mainly barbell work with a few DB's interspersed- spend time and get good at them. Many massive bodies have been built solely around squating, deads/cleans, and benching. Don't waste a lot of time with the other stuff as it amounts to 5% of your results over time and should be treated as such. Better to leave early and watch Seinfeld rerun while eating.

Good post man thanks for your input. I always try and change my routines to see what works best for me...the only things that are really lagging are my back (mainly) and to a certain extent my chest. I have been on this routine for about a month so I am going to see how well it does me while on my cycle.

 

[MadCow1]

Good post man thanks for your input. I always try and change my routines to see what works best for me...the only things that are really lagging are my back (mainly) and to a certain extent my chest. I have been on this routine for about a month so I am going to see how well it does me while on my cycle.

Your progress has been good. I would definitely change up your back routine after you finish with your current program.

(all sets are work sets - warm up as needed)
Deads 5x5
Bent Rows 4x8
Pullups 3x failure

on a separate day try to include Goodmornings 4x8 and substitute power shrugs for your regular shrugs. Keep them 4x8-10.

Doing this type of work will not only fix your back as a weakpoint but will bring up your squat and every other area of your body. You'll be a much more powerfull lifter and strengthen any weak links you may have. If you've never utilized these lifts you will make incredible progress natural and juiced.

 

[The Almighty]

Your progress has been good. I would definitely change up your back routine after you finish with your current program.

(all sets are work sets - warm up as needed)
Deads 5x5
Bent Rows 4x8
Pullups 3x failure

on a separate day try to include Goodmornings 4x8 and substitute power shrugs for your regular shrugs. Keep them 4x8-10.

Doing this type of work will not only fix your back as a weakpoint but will bring up your squat and every other area of your body. You'll be a much more powerfull lifter and strengthen any weak links you may have. If you've never utilized these lifts you will make incredible progress natural and juiced.

Thanks for all your help bro. I think I will start this routine this next week since I already did back day this week. I am always up for something new.

 

[DiaBOLic86]

I'm hearing you Almighty, I used Organon sust at 500 mg a week for 10 weeks, didn't do much, gained a couple pounds and a lot of achne. I front loaded and everything. I'm about to start my first fina cycle, we'll see how that goes.

 

[The Almighty]

I'm about to start my first fina cycle, we'll see how that goes.

Ms. Cleo and I both guarentee that you will be very happy with the results.

 

[caiza]

i dont respond that well to test, i respond better with deca,primo,and good old d-bol...yum,yum...

 

[Frackal]

I love test!

 

[caiza]

i feel more energetic higher sex drive better pumps +more body mass on deca than i do on test,whats wrong with me?

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Right now I am doing an EQ/Tren and Winny cycle. I used some Aratest at the beginning when I was frontloading EQ (for some reason my sex drive went away on EQ alone). When I added the tren and winny I became a fucking machine.

All I can say is that I have done sustanon and omnadren cycles and the sides were too much. The bloating, the acne, the sore nipples. The gains were very minimal.

With tren, I look hard as a brick, and my strength and density are through the roof. Went in today to do light squats and it turned into 405 for sets of 15 (rock bottom). Test never did me like that!

 

[The Almighty]

With tren, I look hard as a brick, and my strength and density are through the roof. Went in today to do light squats and it turned into 405 for sets of 15 (rock bottom). Test never did me like that!

AMEN

 

[caiza]

fuck i have to get some of this tren...guy's help me

 

[MadCow1]

Thanks for all your help bro. I think I will start this routine this next week since I already did back day this week. I am always up for something new.

Incidentally, start off slow as you may not be accustomed to the workout and stress this volume can take on your body. It's useless to be sore for a weak and drastically increasing volume like this can drop you straight into over training and have a negative impact on your other lifts. Feel it out for a week or two before going all out.

I guarantee results supperior to your current back routine.

 

[The Almighty]

Incidentally, start off slow as you may not be accustomed to the workout and stress this volume can take on your body. It's useless to be sore for a weak and drastically increasing volume like this can drop you straight into over training and have a negative impact on your other lifts. Feel it out for a week or two before going all out.

I guarantee results supperior to your current back routine.

True that, whenever starting new regimens I always start off lighter the first time around, but I will definately give it a go. Thanks again for all your help.

 

[deez]

SK and Alimighty,
I have the same exact problem. My first cycle was ok i got a solid 15 pounds on just test. Now i can hardly gain anything or feel anything on any ammount of test. Last cycle which was my 3rd i was running 750 test ethanate (testoviron depot) with 400 mg/w deca and 40 mg ed dbol. I hardly felt anything. Just like my second cycle. I know my gear was good cause my roomates were on the same thing and they grew. This is off topic to but drugs in general dont do much to me. Ill leave it at that. Anyways more importantly im planning my next cycle and i think id like to try making fina and see what that does. I dont know what oral ill be using but it id like to use anadrol or dbol. You said winny was your favorite. Im lookin to bulk. Dont need to cut up or anything. Im a solid 195 at 5'10. Let me know what you think. Im going to learn about fina a little more. ANy questions i might shoot you a pm for some help if you dont mind almighty. Peace

 

[The Almighty]

Go for it son, thats what Im here for.

 

[caiza]

bump

 

[Fish]

Obviously you havent tried fina.

You can do both... test and fina

I am no expert but it seems to work

 

[The Almighty]

You can do both... test and fina

I am no expert but it seems to work

That was the plan for this cycle...however since the test has dissapointed me I am dropping it.

At least I know I am not alone in my beliefs about test not being the best.

 

[Counterstrike]

bro try test prop will work better trust me try viro or the other ones but no mexican brand

 

[The Almighty]

bro try test prop will work better trust me try viro or the other ones but no mexican brand

I have always wanted to try viromones and IF I ever do test again, say for my next fina cycle coming up this fall, that is what I will use...it all depends on how much money I have in my cycle account at that time.

 

[caiza]

dont expect to gain much mate on thos viro's only good on a cutting cycle IMO...

 

[Nathan]

Almighty, do you have a job?

 

[The Almighty]

Almighty, do you have a job?

Yes I do, why do you ask?

 

[caiza]

yeah why do you want to no if he works or not?

 

[Nathan]

Because he has the time to respond to every post on this mammoth thread. Just curious. I'm not a "model" employee or anything either. I just know that you seem to post about as much as me - or more - and I do dick all every day.

 

[Xtreme2001]

I do dick all every day.

lol..

 

[Nathan]

Well, I'm supposed to be doing astrophysics all day, but no one really likes me - they seem pretty intimidated on account of the fact that I'm a fuck load bigger than any of them. So, I show them by not doing my work. Hah. Except that they think I'm stupid too - even though they hired me because my marks are high - so they figure it'll take me an extra long time to fucking tie my shoes. woo hoo.

 

[tricepula]

Test from Synovex

I've done the conversion and it was shit!! I was doing a gram, at least a week and 250mgs of cyp made me hornier than when on that shit!! I think synovex rips you the fuck off and doesn't hook their cattle up!!

 

[The Almighty]

Because he has the time to respond to every post on this mammoth thread. Just curious. I'm not a "model" employee or anything either. I just know that you seem to post about as much as me - or more - and I do dick all every day.

Bastard, I am simply responding to questions and comments directed at me...where is the harm in that? Seriously, I personal train in my free time and my "real job" is at GNC for the time being. No, I am not one of those gimp GNC employees like Nathan would be that try to seel you andro and Myozap Juiced Protein. Just working to get through college.

Oh ya, and since I hate the people that come into GNC, since they are all ignorant and annoying, I take advantage of the computer my boss put in the back room.

What do I have to deal with while at work, you ask? Has anyone ever asked you for a bottle of genetics so he could get taller? I have.

 

[The Almighty]

Re: Test from Synovex

I've done the conversion and it was shit!! I was doing a gram, at least a week and 250mgs of cyp made me hornier than when on that shit!! I think synovex rips you the fuck off and doesn't hook their cattle up!!

The people I have talked to all had great results...but I can see how for some perhaps the conversion was done wrong which left them with a bunk product.