Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below i am thinking a test e cycle, want to run winny last 8 weeks 50 ed. curious if people like test e over others? i have read it causes less bloat than others and also acts as more of a fat burner. thinking about doing 200mg every 3 weeks? would really appreciate thoughst thanks!
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every 3 weeks?
Your going to need to pin 1x per week. Test-e is just a long laster ester so you don't need to pin as frequently. The effects will take a lil longer to notice as its a slow acting ester, but i'm curious as to why you'd pin every 3 weeks?...cuz that isn't going to do shit
What are your stats bro?
Your going to need to pin 1x per week. Test-e is just a long laster ester so you don't need to pin as frequently. The effects will take a lil longer to notice as its a slow acting ester, but i'm curious as to why you'd pin every 3 weeks?...cuz that isn't going to do shit
What are your stats bro?
You left out your lifting experience..and age.
Test isn't going to burn fat.
Pinning every 3 days imo is stupid. if your going to pin that often go with a short estered test.
Post up all your stats and you'll get A LOT more help bro.
i am 36.
this year i have done a test cyp 200mg a week for 12 weeks, last 8 weeks anavar 40 ed. then a winny only 8 weeks 50 ed. i have been lifting for yearsdiet and training is all in check. i am always looking to burn fat, but also maintain size while going lowering calories. i reaseraced many of the tests on steroid.com and on here and dr [rescriped 200 twice a week. i would love to take less shots. and i have lost up to 4 % bf on test in the past, all diet and workout, but dont want to drop fat and muscle. and 5 11 12% bf 198 36 yrs old
this year i have done a test cyp 200mg a week for 12 weeks, last 8 weeks anavar 40 ed. then a winny only 8 weeks 50 ed. i have been lifting for yearsdiet and training is all in check. i am always looking to burn fat, but also maintain size while going lowering calories. i reaseraced many of the tests on steroid.com and on here and dr [rescriped 200 twice a week. i would love to take less shots. and i have lost up to 4 % bf on test in the past, all diet and workout, but dont want to drop fat and muscle. and 5 11 12% bf 198 36 yrs old
Primoteston
(testosterone enanthate)
Testosterone Enanthate is probably the most commonly used form of testosterone by both athletes and bodybuilders alike. Although I don´t have any hard statistics on this, I´d be willing to bet that this form of testosterone is the most commonly used form of testosterone on the black market today. It´s very effective for building muscle and strength, losing fat, and is cheap & readily available.
To understand exactly how Testosterone Enanthate (a.k.a. "test enth" or just "enth") builds muscle and burns fat, first we´ll take a look at androgens and what they do in the body. You see, hormones are substances secreted by one cell, that has an effect on the functions of another cell. Testosterone is manufactured in the Leydig´s cells of the testes (in men). The adult male produces between 2.5 and 11mgs of Test per day.
Testosterone induces changes in shape, size and also can change the appearance and the number of muscle fibres(7). Androgens like testosterone can protect your hard earned muscle from the catabolic (muscle wasting) glucocorticoid hormones(8), thus inhibiting their ability to send a message to muscle cells to release stored protein. Remember, Testosterone sends a message to muscle cells to store more contractile protein (called actin and myosin); glucocorticoid hormones send the opposite message. In addition, Testosterone has the ability to increase erythropoiesis (red blood cell production) in your kidneys(9), and a higher Red Blood Cell (RBC) count may improve endurance via better oxygenated blood. More RBCs can also improve recovery from strenuous physical activity. Agression levels often rise dramatically with the use of exogenous testosterone (15).
All of these great benefits are to be had with the use of test enth alone, but realistically, it will be part of a cycle containing one or more other drugs. People who are bulking will probably choose Deca or Eq (possibly with Dbol as well) and those who are cutting will probably steer towards Eq and perhaps Trenbolone. Very often users will shoot this drug once or twice a week, but blood levels are still above baseline with this drug at around day eight (16).Common wisdom holds that the testosterone portion of any such cycle should be equal to or greater than any other injectable drug(s) portion (on a mg basis)... I believe that you can get away with less, but in general, this is a good guideline.
As you may have suspected, Testosterones´ anabolic/androgenic effects are dose dependant, the higher the dose the higher the muscle building effect(10). Lets take a look at exactly what kind of results we can expect from administration of Testosterone Enanthate:
Effects of 20 wk of GnRH agonist plus TE administration on relative changes (mean ± SEM) in total LBM (A), appendicular LBM (B), and trunk LBM (C) (percent change from baseline) measured by DEXA. P values are results for ANOVA: *, P < 0.05 vs. all other dose groups for the multiple comparison tests using Student-Newman-Keuls; a, P < 0.05 vs. zero change.(11)
This chart shows that the subjects in this test made a roughly 15% gain in Lean Body Mass from 20 weeks of 600mgs/week of testosterone Enanthate. That´s pretty impressive, but I feel that the following set of charts is even more so:
Change in fat-free mass (A), fat mass (B), leg press strength (C), thigh muscle volume (D), quadriceps muscle volume (E), sexual function (F), insulin-like growth factor I (G), and prostate-specific antigen (H). Data are means ± SE. *Significant differences from all other groups (P < 0.05); significant difference from 25-, 50-, and 125-mg doses (P < 0.05); +significant difference from 25- and 50-mg doses (P < 0.05); and significant difference from 25-mg dose (P < 0.05). (14)
Now this is very interesting. You´ll note that the most fat was lost by the group in this study who used the highest dose (600mgs/week), and the most Fat Free mass, Strength and Muscle Volume was gained, when compared to any of the lower doses studied (14). Basically, the more testosterone you use (and this holds true for almost all steroids), the more gains you´ll get! I know that the previous statement will ruffle some feathers in the "less is more" club, but that´s simply too bad... more test = more muscle, more strength, more size, and less fat.
Did the men in this study experience side effects at the 600mg dose? Well... HDL cholesterol was lowered (but not total cholesterol or triglyceride levels), and two guys got Acne. Not exactly cause for a Senate Investigation, huh? (14)
Of course, the usual nasty side effects you can get from any form of injectable testosterone are possible with testosterone Enanthate (acne, hairloss, prostate enlargement, and shutting down your body´s own natural hormonal system, etc...) but they are very overstated or controllable in many instances.
A large percentage of those side effects occur from the body´s ability to turn testosterone into estrogen via a metabolic pathway mediated by the aromatase enzyme. This process, known as aromatization causes a portion of testosterone to be converted to estrogen. Aromatase Inhibitors (Arimidex and Letroaole, for example) can combat this very effectively, and are usually necessary with doses over ½ a gram per week.
Now that I´ve told you all about this drug, lets talk about cost&
you should be paying no more than $75 for a 10cc bottle of it, dosed at 200-250mgs/ml. Of course, as usual, prices fluctuate, but I´d recommend sticking with a reputable underground lab, rather then Organon, UpJohn, or one of the many other expensive (and often counterfeited) companies. This drug is relatively cheap to produce, as the raw materials are very inexpensive, and as such, should be reasonably cheap and especially since this drug should be a consideration for inclusion in any cycle.
17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + Enanthate ester
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 130.1864
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester):C7 H12 O
Melting Point (base): 155
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 15 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100.
References:
Am J Physiol. 1998 Nov;275(5 Pt 1):E864-712
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1997 Feb;82(2):407-13
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Mar;282(3):E601-7.
Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2004 May;7(3):271-7.
Curr Pharm Biotechnol. 2004 Oct;5(5):459-70.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Oct;89(10):5245-55.
Anat Histol Embryol. 2003 Apr;32(2):70-9.
J Lab Clin Med. 1995 Mar;125(3):326-33.
Zhonghua Nan Ke Xue. 2003;9(4):248-51
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Apr;88(4):1478-85
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Feb;89(2):718-26.
Am J Physiol. 1998 Jun;274(6 Pt 1):C1645-52.
Biochim Biophys Acta. 1995 May 11;1244(1):117-20.
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Dec;281(6):E1172-81.
Health Psychol. 1990;9(6):774-91.
Fertility and Sterility 33.
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(testosterone enanthate)
Testosterone Enanthate is probably the most commonly used form of testosterone by both athletes and bodybuilders alike. Although I don´t have any hard statistics on this, I´d be willing to bet that this form of testosterone is the most commonly used form of testosterone on the black market today. It´s very effective for building muscle and strength, losing fat, and is cheap & readily available.
To understand exactly how Testosterone Enanthate (a.k.a. "test enth" or just "enth") builds muscle and burns fat, first we´ll take a look at androgens and what they do in the body. You see, hormones are substances secreted by one cell, that has an effect on the functions of another cell. Testosterone is manufactured in the Leydig´s cells of the testes (in men). The adult male produces between 2.5 and 11mgs of Test per day.
Testosterone induces changes in shape, size and also can change the appearance and the number of muscle fibres(7). Androgens like testosterone can protect your hard earned muscle from the catabolic (muscle wasting) glucocorticoid hormones(8), thus inhibiting their ability to send a message to muscle cells to release stored protein. Remember, Testosterone sends a message to muscle cells to store more contractile protein (called actin and myosin); glucocorticoid hormones send the opposite message. In addition, Testosterone has the ability to increase erythropoiesis (red blood cell production) in your kidneys(9), and a higher Red Blood Cell (RBC) count may improve endurance via better oxygenated blood. More RBCs can also improve recovery from strenuous physical activity. Agression levels often rise dramatically with the use of exogenous testosterone (15).
All of these great benefits are to be had with the use of test enth alone, but realistically, it will be part of a cycle containing one or more other drugs. People who are bulking will probably choose Deca or Eq (possibly with Dbol as well) and those who are cutting will probably steer towards Eq and perhaps Trenbolone. Very often users will shoot this drug once or twice a week, but blood levels are still above baseline with this drug at around day eight (16).Common wisdom holds that the testosterone portion of any such cycle should be equal to or greater than any other injectable drug(s) portion (on a mg basis)... I believe that you can get away with less, but in general, this is a good guideline.
As you may have suspected, Testosterones´ anabolic/androgenic effects are dose dependant, the higher the dose the higher the muscle building effect(10). Lets take a look at exactly what kind of results we can expect from administration of Testosterone Enanthate:
Effects of 20 wk of GnRH agonist plus TE administration on relative changes (mean ± SEM) in total LBM (A), appendicular LBM (B), and trunk LBM (C) (percent change from baseline) measured by DEXA. P values are results for ANOVA: *, P < 0.05 vs. all other dose groups for the multiple comparison tests using Student-Newman-Keuls; a, P < 0.05 vs. zero change.(11)
This chart shows that the subjects in this test made a roughly 15% gain in Lean Body Mass from 20 weeks of 600mgs/week of testosterone Enanthate. That´s pretty impressive, but I feel that the following set of charts is even more so:
Change in fat-free mass (A), fat mass (B), leg press strength (C), thigh muscle volume (D), quadriceps muscle volume (E), sexual function (F), insulin-like growth factor I (G), and prostate-specific antigen (H). Data are means ± SE. *Significant differences from all other groups (P < 0.05); significant difference from 25-, 50-, and 125-mg doses (P < 0.05); +significant difference from 25- and 50-mg doses (P < 0.05); and significant difference from 25-mg dose (P < 0.05). (14)
Now this is very interesting. You´ll note that the most fat was lost by the group in this study who used the highest dose (600mgs/week), and the most Fat Free mass, Strength and Muscle Volume was gained, when compared to any of the lower doses studied (14). Basically, the more testosterone you use (and this holds true for almost all steroids), the more gains you´ll get! I know that the previous statement will ruffle some feathers in the "less is more" club, but that´s simply too bad... more test = more muscle, more strength, more size, and less fat.
Did the men in this study experience side effects at the 600mg dose? Well... HDL cholesterol was lowered (but not total cholesterol or triglyceride levels), and two guys got Acne. Not exactly cause for a Senate Investigation, huh? (14)
Of course, the usual nasty side effects you can get from any form of injectable testosterone are possible with testosterone Enanthate (acne, hairloss, prostate enlargement, and shutting down your body´s own natural hormonal system, etc...) but they are very overstated or controllable in many instances.
A large percentage of those side effects occur from the body´s ability to turn testosterone into estrogen via a metabolic pathway mediated by the aromatase enzyme. This process, known as aromatization causes a portion of testosterone to be converted to estrogen. Aromatase Inhibitors (Arimidex and Letroaole, for example) can combat this very effectively, and are usually necessary with doses over ½ a gram per week.
Now that I´ve told you all about this drug, lets talk about cost&
you should be paying no more than $75 for a 10cc bottle of it, dosed at 200-250mgs/ml. Of course, as usual, prices fluctuate, but I´d recommend sticking with a reputable underground lab, rather then Organon, UpJohn, or one of the many other expensive (and often counterfeited) companies. This drug is relatively cheap to produce, as the raw materials are very inexpensive, and as such, should be reasonably cheap and especially since this drug should be a consideration for inclusion in any cycle.
17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + Enanthate ester
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 130.1864
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester):C7 H12 O
Melting Point (base): 155
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 15 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100.
References:
Am J Physiol. 1998 Nov;275(5 Pt 1):E864-712
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1997 Feb;82(2):407-13
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Mar;282(3):E601-7.
Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2004 May;7(3):271-7.
Curr Pharm Biotechnol. 2004 Oct;5(5):459-70.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Oct;89(10):5245-55.
Anat Histol Embryol. 2003 Apr;32(2):70-9.
J Lab Clin Med. 1995 Mar;125(3):326-33.
Zhonghua Nan Ke Xue. 2003;9(4):248-51
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Apr;88(4):1478-85
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Feb;89(2):718-26.
Am J Physiol. 1998 Jun;274(6 Pt 1):C1645-52.
Biochim Biophys Acta. 1995 May 11;1244(1):117-20.
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Dec;281(6):E1172-81.
Health Psychol. 1990;9(6):774-91.
Fertility and Sterility 33.
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Excuse me...But i've never heard of anyone cutting with test-e.
Primo(masteron) however is used for cutting.
also..If you read the entire article you posted from steroid.com it mentions the fact that whether bulking or cutting Test is cycled with another drug. For cutting their talking about Tren...I mentioned primo because some guys don't like the sides associated with tren.
While that article says it burns fat, I think if your looking for test-e to do just that for you your going to be sadly disappointed.
thats not what i said, nice try and recovery. dude dont post yoru opioon if you dont know. what happened to all the good bros in here. i just did a search and found some good info, where gaurdian and half centurian gave good advice on. and 2 x a week was recomneded. everyone is alwys ready to blast people who strart threads, but what about the guys that dont know shit and give advise?
what are you talking about? My original dosage answer was in response to you only taking 200mg. You said every 3 weeks and I told you that e3 wks wasn't going to do anything. Then you said you meant every 3 days, and I thought you were still talking about 200mgs. I never gave you any other info on that.
If your taking 600 mgs a week then yes 2x a week is what you'd want to do.
also...No one was trying to blast you. You original post was incoherent and confusing. Next time try proof reading your post to avoid confusion and maybe you'll get the answers your looking for.
Don't blast people for trying to help, if you want to start a flame war go over to C&C, the steroid board isn't the place.
Good day sir.
good cutting cycle would be
test prop 100-150 eod 1-8
masteron 100-150 eod 1-8
var 50mg ed 1-6
test prop 100-150 eod 1-8
tren ace 75-100 eod 1-6
var 50mg ed 1-6
both of them would be great...tren may be a little much for you but for a cutter i wouldnt substitute it for anything..all and how you think you can handle a very potent drug
test prop 100-150 eod 1-8
masteron 100-150 eod 1-8
var 50mg ed 1-6
test prop 100-150 eod 1-8
tren ace 75-100 eod 1-6
var 50mg ed 1-6
both of them would be great...tren may be a little much for you but for a cutter i wouldnt substitute it for anything..all and how you think you can handle a very potent drug
there is nothing that compares to tren result wise...tren is king...deal with a bit of side that are completely manageable and get great results
EPROM
Banned
I noticed a few of you saying this.
I thought test actually WOULD aid a person in losing excess fat? I'm not saying it's a "fat burner" per say, ...but doesn't it shock your body into thinking it's no longer an old, lazy, couch potato with no hopes of pussy ...and convince it that it is now a sleek, highly-vasculated, 20-year-old high-performance fucking machine?
Aside from my ever so slight exaggeration, I DO remember reading many times that a test-based cycle will help burn fat. Yes, you will retain water, ...but you will lose much of that post cycle.
...So am I totally wrong on this?
Birdman
I wasn't saying you wouldn't loose any body fat, its just not a fat burner persay. If your looking to cycle something to cut up then i'd add in some masteron, tren, etc..
knockdown357
Good Bro
decreased bodyfat percentage while using test comes from the drastic amount of muscle one is able to obtain. I say this because a more muscular body metabolizes calories much better than one that is fat and out of shape. just my thoughts
Test Prop may accelerate it faster, but I can't say for certain. My only thoughts that it might is since it's a short ester and "kicks" in faster you see results faster.
Again, I'm only guessing on that question and have no factual data to prove or disprove it. I would think needto, or Halfcenturian, Nelson..or some of the other aas gurus would be able to answer this better.
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