Test E and T-Bol for 1st cycle

[thoopes]

OK guys, I posted earlier and asked what you thought as far as a first cycle for someone that has peaked on normal supplements.

27yrs, 5'10", 182lbs, approx 15% bf, thick build looking to cut up and put on a little lean mass.

I got alot of good ideas for products and I have narrowed it down to TestE and T-Bol. My idea for a cycle is 10 weeks of Test @ 500mg (250 twice a week) and T-Bol @ 50mg a day(not sure whats weeks yet-advice would help). I would appreciate the vets to step in and help out a new guy.

I was also wondering about mexico products, I am from Southern AZ and I live real close.

Thanks fellas for the help and hopefully I get better at this posting shit!

 

[DieselGunz]

Sounds solid the tbol is a little high I know people who run that dosage alone so if you want you could lower it a bit

Are you going to jump start the cycle with tbol or run it all the way through?

example-testE 1-10/12
tbol 1-4

I dont know much about Mexican products so i will defer to my good bros

500mgs is the preffered dosage around here but you can lower so your next cycle is not so high. I know I might get flack for this but 750mgs for a second cycle is ALOT

300mgs is about 3 times your normal test production and will be easier to recover from and to control sides

PCT is important!

 

[thoopes]

thanks man, you were the guy I would hope give me a reply. You sound pretty critical and that is what I am looking for. As for PCT I am thinking clomid cause that sounds like what everyone is using. As for dosage I am not sure yet. Little help would be nice.

 

[DieselGunz]

Do NOT use clomid IMO alot of sides that you do not want to deal with

This PCT is from Slyder190 dude is the man when it comes to this

Inject 250mg test 2x a week, like Mon and Thurs. ES, if you go 400mg/week, then do the same split. If your test is 200mg/ml, then shoot 200mg Mon, 100mg Weds, and 200mg Fri.

As for HCG shoot, you want to shoot 500ius ED for 5-7 days till 3 days before PCT begins. And then just use 500iu 2x a week, for the 2 weeks prior to that. So you actually start it like a few days prior from the final 3rd week out, so you actually start late in week 9.

HCG is this fashion gets the nuts back to fuller size for a few weeks so when Nolva begin, they will be able to handle the job of having more Leutenizing Horomone being put out as a result of Nolva.

I go with a more agressive PCT. You want an efficient cycle, so it makes sense to have an efficient PCT. I go with slightly higher doses than most for a week longer than the 3 week standard.

Have nolva on hand for anit Es during cycle and enough for PCT, do not start without EVERYTHING

 

[Zircon]

soudns good. Tbol 40mg is ok. You might do 50mg or so for week 1, dont think will matter though. Many say tbol 3 weeks is the limit, so you could possibly run 50mg 3 weeks.

As for hcg, I was thinking 500iu eod last 3 weeks of cycle. I end with prop. SO its a total of 5000iu over last 3 weeks while using prop. Supposed to use nolva with hcg?

 

[thoopes]

sounds good, but you think the test and t-bol will help me out with what I am looking for? And I will definatley not start till I got it all.

 

[DieselGunz]

sounds good, but you think the test and t-bol will help me out with what I am looking for? And I will definatley not start till I got it all.

yes if everything is inline you will GROW on that cycle no doubt about it

 

[|3ossman]

Sounds solid the tbol is a little high I know people who run that dosage alone so if you want you could lower it a bit

Are you going to jump start the cycle with tbol or run it all the way through?

example-testE 1-10/12
tbol 1-4

I dont know much about Mexican products so i will defer to my good bros

500mgs is the preffered dosage around here but you can lower so your next cycle is not so high. I know I might get flack for this but 750mgs for a second cycle is ALOT

300mgs is about 3 times your normal test production and will be easier to recover from and to control sides

PCT is important!

i agree here with diesel gunz about dosing. There is no need to use 500 your first time. I used sus250 for my first cycle @ 350/wk or 250mg every 5 days. I gained 17lbs and got wayyy stronger. It was more than enough.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

Sounds solid the tbol is a little high I know people who run that dosage alone so if you want you could lower it a bit

Are you going to jump start the cycle with tbol or run it all the way through?

example-testE 1-10/12
tbol 1-4

I dont know much about Mexican products so i will defer to my good bros

500mgs is the preffered dosage around here but you can lower so your next cycle is not so high. I know I might get flack for this but 750mgs for a second cycle is ALOT

300mgs is about 3 times your normal test production and will be easier to recover from and to control sides

PCT is important!

I am with DG. 1st Test cycle, go with 250mg every 4 or 5 days (350-450mg/wk). You will gain plenty and can go to 500mg for your next cycle if you wish. I did 350/wk for 11 weeks with a dbol kicker, and gained 17 pounds - kept about 12.

40mg of the Tbol seems effective. 4 weeks seems dead on, as that is when most of the T-bol gains stop and when the test will kick in.

Good luck, I like the cycle.


Bluesman

 

[shamrock11]

I gree with DG as if that is a suprise. Listen to the man he hs got it.

 

[Phaded]

so highest dosage with tbol you can go is 40mg and 4 weeks? has anyone tried like 60 at 5 or 6 weeks?

 

[Maxx Out]

OK guys, I posted earlier and asked what you thought as far as a first cycle for someone that has peaked on normal supplements.

27yrs, 5'10", 182lbs, approx 15% bf, thick build looking to cut up and put on a little lean mass.

I got alot of good ideas for products and I have narrowed it down to TestE and T-Bol. My idea for a cycle is 10 weeks of Test @ 500mg (250 twice a week) and T-Bol @ 50mg a day(not sure whats weeks yet-advice would help). I would appreciate the vets to step in and help out a new guy.

I was also wondering about mexico products, I am from Southern AZ and I live real close.

Thanks fellas for the help and hopefully I get better at this posting shit!

Personally I think u r fine with just the test for the first cycle. Save the tbol for the next.

 

[BOWTECH]

so highest dosage with tbol you can go is 40mg and 4 weeks? has anyone tried like 60 at 5 or 6 weeks?

I have ran 60mgs/day with no sides at all. Just good gains.

 

[Phaded]

how many weeks bowtech and did you run the tbol solo or with something else.. what was your pct..

 

[DieselGunz]

Personally I think u r fine with just the test for the first cycle. Save the tbol for the next.

That could be explored also, very good point

 

[Phaded]

mr bowtech

 

[slat1]

Personally I think u r fine with just the test for the first cycle. Save the tbol for the next.

I agree. You want to run one compound the first time (like test) to see how you respond to it. Its basic science. Once you see how you respond you can add another compound. If you run both right off the bat you can not be sure which is giving you what results. You may respond to one and not the other... etc.

When I was 200lbs I ran 250mgs/week of test ent for ten weeks. I finished at 220. I stayed at 6% bf the whole way through.

I didn't know jack shit about pct so a few weeks after the cycle I started losing lbs. Finally settling at 206.

I would run hcg at at wk5 on that cycle. 500ius a day for ten days. I would run clomid 12 days after the last shot at 300mgs day 1, 100 mgs day 2 through 11, 50mgs day 12 through 21.

Thats just me though...

 

[ScienceGeek]

Personally I think u r fine with just the test for the first cycle. Save the tbol for the next.

Couldn't agree more.

If there's a problem, how will you know what is causing it?

You have no idea how you are going to react to any given drug you are self medicating yourself with. Keep in mind you are not an endocrinologist and at least half of what you will read online will be totally wrong. Play it safe. Be carefull, methodical and sceptical.

 

[BOWTECH]

how many weeks bowtech and did you run the tbol solo or with something else.. what was your pct..

Ran the tbol with 825mgs/week Andropen (BD test), deca 500mgs/week used clomid and nolvadex and hcg for pct. Tbol for 4 weeks 60mg/day

 

[|3ossman]

Ran the tbol with 825mgs/week Andropen (BD test), deca 500mgs/week used clomid and nolvadex and hcg for pct. Tbol for 4 weeks 60mg/day

howd you like the Andropen at that high a dose bro, i thought is was pretty nice @ 550 a week, felt like sus with a little kick