Test-deca cycle advice needed

[spacedog]

Hey guys,

There are a lot of conflicting things going around the net about deca/test cycles so I'm launching this thread in the hopes of getting some solid advice Research is the key...

Stats: 1m75, 78 kg
Previous cycles: test-e cycle 500 mg/week. Now three months post-PCT and kept most of my gains.

I'm basically starting my second cycle and wanted to include a dryer compound. I chose deca.

So far I got:

W1-9: deca at 200 mg and test at 500 mg
W10-11: test at 500 mg
PCT: nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50

(I wanted to make it a 12 week cycle, but I'm off to Thailand during week 12 and I don't want to get caught smuggling steroids!

My questions are:

A) I have prami and adex on hand...would you guys use them on cycle or is the risk of getting gyno on this cycle minimal? What dosages do you recommend?
B) supposing gyno flares up on this cycle and I didn't use prami or adex on cycle, how do I proceed?
C) what kinda gains can be expected on this second cycle?


Thanks!

 

[bigbassturd]

Hey guys,

There are a lot of conflicting things going around the net about deca/test cycles so I'm launching this thread in the hopes of getting some solid advice Research is the key...

Stats: 1m75, 78 kg
Previous cycles: test-e cycle 500 mg/week. Now three months post-PCT and kept most of my gains.

I'm basically starting my second cycle and wanted to include a dryer compound. I chose deca.

So far I got:

W1-9: deca at 200 mg and test at 500 mg
W10-11: test at 500 mg
PCT: nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50

(I wanted to make it a 12 week cycle, but I'm off to Thailand during week 12 and I don't want to get caught smuggling steroids!

My questions are:

A) I have prami and adex on hand...would you guys use them on cycle or is the risk of getting gyno on this cycle minimal? What dosages do you recommend?
B) supposing gyno flares up on this cycle and I didn't use prami or adex on cycle, how do I proceed?
C) what kinda gains can be expected on this second cycle?


Thanks!

So much off here bro.

Deca is as far from dry as it gets.

Also, you NEVER run nolva with a 19nor compound such as deca.

What is your age?

200mg of deca is a waste. Don't care for deca in the first place, but if it is ran, you must do it right cause it will FUCK you up bro

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[Kbordner]

Up the Deca to 400 wk. keep the test at 500. D-Bol kick would be the icing on the cake. 50mg/Ed wk 1-4.


55 and still fucking dangerous

 

[MattJS]

You need to do a fair bit more research here mate, you would need to run caber with deca and test deca is THE wet cycle, add some dbol and you'll be walking around with a garden pond under your skin... I should warn you I know guys who've used deca incorrectly years ago and can't get a hard on to this day without pharmaceutical aid.... Be sure before you fuck with it... Your pct is awful and I guarantee if you run that cycle with the PCT you listed you'll be in for a very hard year..... As for your q's

A) Use Adex and Caber on this cycle if you must run it, your risk of gyno is MAXIMAL as you've got estrogen and progestin to worry about
B) Proceed by paying someone to beat the shit out of you for being dumb enough to run this cycle with no adex or caber and then you can go shopping for a new bra and a lifetime supply of viagra
C) If your diet and training are excellent, you could gain a lot of muscle along with some fat and water, however I have to assume that you put similar effort into researching nutrition and training as you did this cycle so I would strongly suggest a visit to the diet and training forums to have your routine critiqued to maximise your gains

Overall I feel this cycle is too complicated for a beginner, you would have a much better time on a simple test/dbol cycle IMO, excellent gains and the risks are MUCH lower

 

[Kbordner]

I am so tired of people calling out Deca dick. That's why you run it with Test. The only time I haver ever seen Deca dick is when some idiot runs it without test.


55 and still fucking dangerous

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Test does not make up for lost libdo. Running the proper ancillaries is what keeps libido in check

 

[MattJS]

I've seen it run with test and still cause problems, I agree with therippedreverend proper supports are a must with deca or you're running a risk

 

[rustilldown]

I am so tired of people calling out Deca dick. That's why you run it with Test. The only time I haver ever seen Deca dick is when some idiot runs it without test.


55 and still fucking dangerous

Just cause it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

[C0LUMB0]

caber 0.5mg twice a week will help prevent limp noodle.

 

[Kbordner]

I am sure it happens but I hate to see all the scare tactics regarding gear. This is why nobody believes half what their told. You would think Tren will kill you when you run it from the horrible sides but it varies from person to person. Not everyone gets Deca dick either. I agree on supports but if you don't know this stuff you shouldn't be fucking with gear anyway. More than half of every young kid I have talked to in my gym (18-25) do absolutely everything wrong and don't give a shit either. That's how you think when your young. I am indestructible. Knowledge is power.


55 and still fucking dangerous

 

[stevesmi]

I am so tired of people calling out Deca dick. That's why you run it with Test. The only time I haver ever seen Deca dick is when some idiot runs it without test.


55 and still fucking dangerous

running test with deca does nothing to combat progesterone side effects.. in fact it actually makes it worse. hence why if you google deca dick you get a lot of threads from plenty of guys that ran 'deca' with test and had problems

the main problem with deca is that its a long ester so when guys come off recovery is delayed substantially as the ester takes many weeks to clear out.. most people don't know that deca is not the name of the steroid itself.. its the name of the ESTER!!! people don't seem to grasp that!!

to the OP: if you run a deca ester (doesn't matter if its test or nandrolone) you need to run it the correct way as said above. you gotta cover all your bases, and you need to run it so that you take advantage of that long ester it has. 9 weeks is leaving a lot on the table.. deca should be run 14 weeks. i don't care for the stuff though, there are better options out there

if you want 9 weeks then swap it out for NPP... but i would stay away from all nandrolones at this point cause you have no clue what you are doing

 

[stevesmi]

I am sure it happens but I hate to see all the scare tactics regarding gear. This is why nobody believes half what their told. You would think Tren will kill you when you run it from the horrible sides but it varies from person to person. Not everyone gets Deca dick either. I agree on supports but if you don't know this stuff you shouldn't be fucking with gear anyway. More than half of every young kid I have talked to in my gym (18-25) do absolutely everything wrong and don't give a shit either. That's how you think when your young. I am indestructible. Knowledge is power.


55 and still fucking dangerous

I've talked to guys both on here and in the gym that have juiced for 30 years and still don't know what a PCT is. unfortunately ignorance comes in all ages. if anything the younger generation is leaps and bounds ahead of your generation when it comes to this shit because of the internet and sites like this

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Up the Deca to 400 wk. keep the test at 500. D-Bol kick would be the icing on the cake. 50mg/Ed wk 1-4.


55 and still fucking dangerous

Automatically upping the dose just because is very bad advice. 200 mg of deca is plenty to get results from. Especially for a first time.


Deca dick is from the prolactin increase killing your sex drive. Running test doesn't always fix it. Test doesn't change the level of prolactin. Even if your dick still works you will likely get some desensitization from it that you won't enjoy.
This is why we run caber to prevent deca dick and sexual dysfunction.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I've talked to guys both on here and in the gym that have juiced for 30 years and still don't know what a PCT is. unfortunately ignorance comes in all ages. if anything the younger generation is leaps and bounds ahead of your generation when it comes to this shit because of the internet and sites like this

I re did a pct for a friend today that was given to him by an IFBB pro. Yes really. I have met the guy. He's been in all the magazines ect... Not super popular but whatever. He had my friend set to do 40mg of nolva a day for 8 weeks and the old 300/200/100/50 clomid protocol. just goes to show that most everyone is still stuck on outdated bullshit.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ i bet that guy who recommended that doesn't even cycle. the few times he tried to cycle just quit and decided to stay on using that shitty pct.

 

[Tbone1974]

Am sick hearin about caber. Firstly it's impossible to get hold of secondly you only need it your getting sides.
I've ran deca and tren at the same time deca and test tren and test. Always PCT using nolva. Granted I had shite advice and didn't know what I was doing. Point is my Dick hasn't fell off I've got 2 kids n my wife is pregnant.

 

[bigbassturd]

Am sick hearin about caber. Firstly it's impossible to get hold of secondly you only need it your getting sides.
I've ran deca and tren at the same time deca and test tren and test. Always PCT using nolva. Granted I had shite advice and didn't know what I was doing. Point is my Dick hasn't fell off I've got 2 kids n my wife is pregnant.

If you're sick of hearing about how to safely control prolactin, don't come to this site. We don't intend on giving out shit advice and putting people in danger just because you don't know where to get the shit or because you don't think you need it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you didn't take bloods during or after you foolishly stacked 19nor's and followed with nolva?

Imagine that..

 

[Tbone1974]

Why would I get bloods done if I felt ok. To get bloods done i would need to go to my GP he would then ask why? Oh just worried my dicks gonna stop workin. Eh fuck off and don't waste my time would be the response. Otherwise I would need to pay to get it done again why would I if I felt ok. Then if I did I would need to come here and ask what I'm looking for and get a million answers from wee fannies who think they know everything cos they've read some journal on a website.

 

[bigbassturd]

Why would I get bloods done if I felt ok. To get bloods done i would need to go to my GP he would then ask why? Oh just worried my dicks gonna stop workin. Eh fuck off and don't waste my time would be the response. Otherwise I would need to pay to get it done again why would I if I felt ok. Then if I did I would need to come here and ask what I'm looking for and get a million answers from wee fannies who think they know everything cos they've read some journal on a website.

Because with AAS, how you 'feel' doesn't mean dick.

And it sounds like you need a new doctor. Blood panels are only about 50 bucks, can't afford it?

If you don't know what you're looking for, ask. If you think we don't know what we're talking about and don't want to ask, why in fuck's name are you even a member?

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[Tbone1974]

I stay in Scotland dude we deal with somethin called the NHS it's not pretty and I'm just not in the habit of wasting money on what I think I don't need.
I didn't say no one doesn't know what their talkin about. Ive taken some of this shit on board I'm dropping Nolva from my next PCT started takin aromasin and I appreciate the advice.
Was just sayin anyone new to this would be under the impression you can't take deca or tren without caber or yer dicks gonna fall off. Strictly speaking that ain't true. I'm sure someone a few years bk would have said the same about Nolva.
IMO with a test, dbol & deca cycle you should be a hell of a lot more worried about estro sides. Maybe I'm wrong tho.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I stay in Scotland dude we deal with somethin called the NHS it's not pretty and I'm just not in the habit of wasting money on what I think I don't need.
I didn't say no one doesn't know what their talkin about. Ive taken some of this shit on board I'm dropping Nolva from my next PCT started takin aromasin and I appreciate the advice.
Was just sayin anyone new to this would be under the impression you can't take deca or tren without caber or yer dicks gonna fall off. Strictly speaking that ain't true. I'm sure someone a few years bk would have said the same about Nolva.
IMO with a test, dbol & deca cycle you should be a hell of a lot more worried about estro sides. Maybe I'm wrong tho.

Did anyone say your dick would fall off? Stop being a drama queen with the dick falling off bullshit. Bloods are about your liver, kidneys, cholesterol, triglycerides, protein, ect. If those are things your don't give a shit about then don't get blood work. Afterall if you feel fine your good right? I'm sure you don't have a cheap home BP unit to monitor your BP regularly because you get it checked twice a year at your docs office right?

 

[Tbone1974]

Not being a drama queen I was just exaggerating to make a point.
Anyway my bad. I know you guys know what your talkin about and you can't really fuck about with your health. I'm just finding it hard to get out of my old ways. Can't believe all the shit I've been fed over the years.
Currently running test e and one rip. gonna PCT properly. Then go and get bloods done. How long after PCT should I wait? What should I ask my GP to measure Test & Prolactin?
My sis is a midwife sure she has a BP monitor kicking about to be honest the last time it was checked was about 3 year ago when I got my knee op.

 

[Massive85]

Tbone i work in NHS and i asked about getting bloods done and ya doctor should do them for free but some can be awkward. Otherwise you can book a medical and get you bloods done with that but think it costs about £55 or somthing. Doctor will probs say you shouldnt take steroids if ya asked he would probs monitor you for saftey. After all it it legal last time i checked lol. Hope this helps mate.

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[Tbone1974]

Cheers Massive. Yeah I think if you go with a legit reason and make enough fuss they will do them.
I tore my cartridge and it took about 2 years for them to send me for an MRR just kept telling me I had twisted it and givin me anti inflammatories.
Take it you mean you can book private through Bupa or something. Need to get that one by the missus lol
I'll look into it. Cheers

 

[Massive85]

Cheers Massive. Yeah I think if you go with a legit reason and make enough fuss they will do them.
I tore my cartridge and it took about 2 years for them to send me for an MRR just kept telling me I had twisted it and givin me anti inflammatories.
Take it you mean you can book private through Bupa or something. Need to get that one by the missus lol
I'll look into it. Cheers

My mate went to his GP and he needed a medical for a job and he got charged for it but got it the following week. Sure he said it was £50 odd quid.

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[burnthiscorpse]

Not being a drama queen I was just exaggerating to make a point.
Anyway my bad. I know you guys know what your talkin about and you can't really fuck about with your health. I'm just finding it hard to get out of my old ways. Can't believe all the shit I've been fed over the years.
Currently running test e and one rip. gonna PCT properly. Then go and get bloods done. How long after PCT should I wait? What should I ask my GP to measure Test & Prolactin?
My sis is a midwife sure she has a BP monitor kicking about to be honest the last time it was checked was about 3 year ago when I got my knee op.

So you use AAS and havnt checked your BP in 3 years? If there was an award for most irresponsible with ones CNS health you would win hands down. Nice going.

 

[Tbone1974]

Aye am beginning to realise that.

 

[stevesmi]

Am sick hearin about caber. Firstly it's impossible to get hold of secondly you only need it your getting sides.
I've ran deca and tren at the same time deca and test tren and test. Always PCT using nolva. Granted I had shite advice and didn't know what I was doing. Point is my Dick hasn't fell off I've got 2 kids n my wife is pregnant.

its not just about your dick falling off lol.

its about covering all bases. but hey keep doing what you been doing, then when you have to spend the rest of your life on HRT maybe you will realize you goofed.

controlling hormones on cycle is about recovery, not just keeping your dick working.

just cause your dick works doesn't mean your hormones aren't out of whack. so pretty much by your posts you have no idea where your lipids are, you have no idea how your HPTA is operating. what will end up happen is one day you will run into a major health problem and won't know where it came from and it will be late in the process.

in the USA we have plenty of guys like you that abuse the ER's because they wait till their problems gets worse and worse and then go. now for a lot of them its not their fault because they don't have access to medical care, but if you can afford to juice then you damn well can afford to get bloodwork done and check your lipids before and after every cycle you run.

we just had a dude post 2 weeks ago he got bloodwork done and his kidney's are on the verge of FAILURE. had he had been doing bloods all along he would of noticed his kidney's straining and been able to catch it early. you say you have 2 kids, what do you think life would be like for them and your wife if their dad got very sick and couldn't work or worse? thats pretty selfish don't you think? i'm not trying to scare you bro but this is reality. just had a buddy get discharged from the hospital just 2 days ago.. he has 3 kids, was having chest pains and he is only in his late 30's..

 

[Tbone1974]

Thanks for the advice. I'm seroiusly considering making this my last cycle. Your right I have more than just me to think about n it's too much hassle.
The worrying thing is the amount of folk I know who are even worse than me, some I consider good friends. these folk are also dishin out advice to young guys in the gym.
Anyway point taken n I'm glad you all told me otherwise who knows what could have happened?
Although I'm now fuckin shittin my self to get my bloods done...