Test/dbol cycle.....add winstrol?PCT?!

[wrestletib]

Can someone please elaborate on what my PCT should look like?

Im planning...

1-10 Test enanthate 500mg
1-4 Dbol 20mg

....im still suggesting maybe winstrol towards the end of the cycle, however, i do not know when to include it, nor how much.


basically i need someone to tell me if including winstrol to my second cycle is smart or not. Also, if anyone has ran test+dbol, can they tell me how it went for them.

also, someone please, please,please help me with PCT.


* i also have alot left over liquid femara/anastrozole left over from AG-guys

 

[GUARDIAN]

can u get some HCG, nolva, & clomid?

 

[rambleon]

stats?
cycle historY?

I'll assume u got a few under ur belt. If so: Yes adding winny in week 7-11 might work very well if u want that hard vascular look in the end. All depends on diet of course.

Now for pct:
(if the winny is not added)
1-10 hcg 500 iu ew
11 hcg 500 iu ed
11-14 nolva 20 mg ed
12-15 clomid 50 mg ed
To this u could add sustain.

If u add winny u move this regimen a week out.

Keep an AI on hand but use only if needed.

good luck

 

[wrestletib]

11 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 iu ed ... UNTIL WHEN?

 

[GUARDIAN]

11 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 iu ed ... UNTIL WHEN?

I believe he means for 10 days straight. I common practice.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Yes i have run it and got great results recovered easy .
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - theres 3 ways i've done it .
Low doses threw out on a weekly base
A dose every second day after last shot for 6 days
And 10 days straight 1 day after last eth shot and thats my fav .

So 1 day after last shot of eth do 250>500iu ed for 10 days i go subq ,when finished then 1 day later start nola or clo or both .
12 to 15 clo 50 mg ed
12 to 16 Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 40/40/20/20
Now theres other product around if you dont like clo&nol that work just as well needto ,nelson ,pp,can tell you better .

Brad.

 

[jimmy04]

yea im going to do my hc.g along side the cycle this time. was thinking a bout how exactly i was going to do so but that looks good thanx rambleon

 

[wrestletib]

if the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - i can get comes in 2000iu vials, how much would i need for my cycle?


ive never messed with this stuff, you guys sure its needed?

nolva+clomid wont work by themselves?

 

[wrestletib]

Now theres other product around if you dont like clo&nol that work just as well needto ,nelson ,pp,can tell you better .



Brad.

is it that unleashed stuff?
im intrested because i KNOW its cheaper, LOL
plus ive heard good reviews.

details on this too please

 

[GUARDIAN]

if the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - i can get comes in 2000iu vials, how much would i need for my cycle? u would need 5000ius total. so you would need 3 vials. this would actually give u another 1000ius more than u need but u can go ahead and use it up.


ive never messed with this stuff, you guys sure its needed? i think it is needed. imo there is no substitute.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - +clomid wont work by themselves? nolvadex i would say no. clomid is the only one that has a chance in this department and some on this board this is all they run for PCT. i never had great results doing this. i recovered best with hcg, nolva, & clomid or hcg & clomid. never just one.

^^^^^^

 

[wrestletib]

8and20 , thank you for answering SO FAST.


couple more questions....

I am thinking im going to x out the nolva

I'm either going to try Clomid (how many pills would i need for PCT if each pill is 50mg ) with HCG

OR the unleashed (sustain? i think )with HCG, which do you recommened? ive never done any of these.

*sorry if im making you spoon feed me everything*

 

[rambleon]

Yes i have run it and got great results recovered easy .
Im not shore with way Rambleo was going with the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - theres 3 ways .
Low doses threw out on a weekly base
A dose every second day after last shot for 6 days
And 10 days straight 1 day after last eth shot and thats my fav .

So 1 day after last shot of eth do 250>500iu ed for 10 days i go subq ,when finished then 1 day later start nola or clo or both .
12 to 15 clo 50 mg ed
12 to 16 Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 40/40/20/20
Now theres other product around if you dont like clo&nol that work just as well needto ,nelson ,pp,can tell you better .

Brad.

well those 3 ways aint gospel friend
I honestly think that a combination of ur 1st and 3rd way has worked best for me.

 

[GUARDIAN]

8and20 , thank you for answering SO FAST.


couple more questions....

I am thinking im going to x out the nolva

I'm either going to try Clomid (how many pills would i need for PCT if each pill is 50mg ) with HCG 50mg weeks 1-2 and 25mg weeks 3-4 (hopefully u can break up the pill in half)

OR the unleashed (sustain? i think )with HCG, which do you recommened? ive never done any of these. never ran unleashed. u will have to ask Nelson about that one. shoot him a PM. never used sustain, ask needto. sorry that i couldnt help u with this question

*sorry if im making you spoon feed me everything*

^^^^^^

 

[hesnobradpitt]

well those 3 ways aint gospel friend
I honestly think that a combination of ur 1st and 3rd way has worked best for me.

Yeah there the ways i've done it and by no way is it gospel origanal post has been edited with this correction ,there is many ways i've read it can be done and didnt mean they were the only ways to use hcg .

My bad typing to fast.

Brad.

 

[needtogetaas]

Can someone please elaborate on what my PCT - post cycle therapy - should look like?

Im planning...

1-10 Test enanthate 500mg
1-4 Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 20mg

....im still suggesting maybe winstrol towards the end of the cycle, however, i do not know when to include it, nor how much.


basically i need someone to tell me if including winstrol to my second cycle is smart or not. Also, if anyone has ran test+Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , can they tell me how it went for them.

also, someone please, please,please help me with PCT.


* i also have alot left over liquid femara/anastrozole left over from AG-guys

I would keep the cycle as is this time around....

Run unleashed threw out cycle. 2 weeks after cycle run 4 weeks dermacrine sustain alpha 5 pumps ed and postcycle. Running photo test during cycle or pct is a good ad as well. Send me a pm more info,discounts on products or where to get them all.

 

[wrestletib]

OKAY I AM GOING TO RUN HCG DURING CYCLE

AND SUSTAIN...


how does this sound guys?

 

[GUARDIAN]

perfect

 

[jumpmaster82]

imo nova and clomid is sufficient for ALMOST any cycle

 

[xrsist]

imo nova and clomid is sufficient for ALMOST any cycle

what cycles do you think they wouldnt be sufficient for?

 

[jumpmaster82]

what cycles do you think they wouldnt be sufficient for?

the only cycles and times i dont think nova and clomid alone are enough is after very long runs with test at high mgs, or after bridiging for a long period of time, on something like that hcg is a neccessity. or if you bloat like crazy of course adex or fem would be neccessary.
i personally retain an absurd amount of water only when i use abombs, so i always have to run adex with it. but if im not using those then my pct is usually just nova and clomid. and hcg if i need it