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Test cyp cycle question

chefbueller

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I have been training for 15 years the past 5 I would consider serious. I am naturally an endomorph with a slow metabolism. I have 3 cycles under my belt. Studied for about a year before I tried AS.

So I am 9 weeks in on a 16 week cycle. This is my third cycle, and just this week I am starting to drop some weight, mostly water I'm afraid I may have a bunk vial. I started my cycle with only 300 mg a week of test suspension (aqua test) for 4 weeks. Then I added another 500 of test cyp for a week, then went down to 300 test sus, and 300 test cyp for a total of 600. I did that for 4 weeks, then I went to just 600 test cyp and have been running that ever since. I am at the end of week 1 on just the cyp.

I mixed the two mainly because of what I could get my hands on. I could not get enough test sus, or test cyp for a full 16 week cycle, so I mixed them. I ran out of test sus, and now I have plenty of cyp to take me to 16 weeks at 600 a week. I did the big blast dose once I got the cyp to get things moving better.

I am 5'9" and right now 220 at about 17%BF. Last year I did just the test aqua for 10 weeks and went from 190 at 15% BF to about 210 at 17% BF. And was able to hang on to most of it. with a stable body weight of about 195-200 for the rest of the year My best was 190 at 9% BF last year.My goal this year is to be 200 at 10% BF

I have made solid gains this past 8-9 weeks. gains went from 195 to 220 in my weight. My strength is way up too. I have been lifting for primarily strength up to this week. I was doing the old 5x5 rep and set scheme the oldtimers used to use. Now this week I statrted working a little lighter with more reps and sets more like 5x10. I have been doing 3 cardio sessions a week the duration of the cycle. I also take a-dex at .050 a week, and HCG at 20 units a week and last week I started a T-3 cycle as well slowly ramping up from 25 - 100mg a week. I am now at the 75mg a day mark, going up to 100 in 2 days every 4 days I add 25 up to 100 then 4 days at 100 and back down every 4 days till I am off.

So this week I started feeling the T-3 with increased appetite and body temp, I also went to a higher rep work outs. Maybe its my paranoia but I have held my weight stable at 220 for a week now, and now today its down to 218. I have noticed less water retention and I did not feel quite as "beastly" in the gym yesterday. Past 8 weeks Ive been killing it , with gains at 2-3 pounds a week in body weight and a freakin monster in the gym. So I am scared I have a bad vial of cyp, because of the wall I hit this week and the 2 pounds I dropped. I am eating like a horse too, and fairly clean. Lots of beef chicken eggs, and whole grains. Once in a while I have some cookies or ice cream to remain sane, plus Im trying to gain anyway so calories are calories as long as the majority of them are clean. I try to stay at 2800 cals a day give or take 500, with at least 300 grams of protein.

Can anyone shed a little light on this for me any comments would be appreciated. Has anyone else ever experienced a "lull" in the middle of a cycle? I'm trying too stay as lean as I can as BF is always a challenge for me. Which is why I added the T3 because I felt I was too bloated, and I wanted to keep my appetite up.

Sorry so long just want ed to make sure I had all the info in there.
 
Seriously guys, 80 views and not 1 person has any experience to share? Where are the senior members? Please comment any advise is greatly appreciated.
 
Well there is a couple things to consider. The first is the mixing the different esters back and forth wasnt a good idea. The cyp takes 4-6 weeks to fully kick in. The suspension hits heavy and hard. Your on a hormonal roller coaster. This could drastically influence performance and gains. Then you jumped on a throid hormone and thats messing with your weight aswell. Also your on a restricted caloric intake and you said yourself its inconsistent. This fluctuation cant alter the scale. My point is this cycle is a mess and it was poorly put together. Id drop the t3 and finish just the test. Up the calories to 4000, and after pct diet down to 10%. Next time post your cycle before you start it.

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Well there is a couple things to consider. The first is the mixing the different esters back and forth wasnt a good idea. The cyp takes 4-6 weeks to fully kick in. The suspension hits heavy and hard. Your on a hormonal roller coaster. This could drastically influence performance and gains. Then you jumped on a throid hormone and thats messing with your weight aswell. Also your on a restricted caloric intake and you said yourself its inconsistent. This fluctuation cant alter the scale. My point is this cycle is a mess and it was poorly put together. Id drop the t3 and finish just the test. Up the calories to 4000, and after pct diet down to 10%. Next time post your cycle before you start it.

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100% on point
 
Joe - I agree not exactly the best put together cycle. I already knew that I was just asking if you guys had any ideas on how to finish this cycle with level head intact. Having saud that, I can agree with the delay of the cyp kicking in. I think 6 weeks is a little over exagerated but I had been on 300 test sus and 300 test cyp for 3 weeks before just going to straight cyp at 600 a week. This week I feel much better. very little bloat, my weight has been slowly climbing again with no increase in BF that i can detect with calipers. My metabolism is naturally very slow. The reason I was at 2800 -3200 cals was just because I literally could not get my macros to digest fast enough to eat any more calories. Now on the T-3 my appetite is back, I am eating around 3600 - 4200 now very comfortably not bloated. Which is why I think my thyroid levels were low to begin with. I feel just back to normal now. I don't think the T-3 is over elevating me at all. After this cycle ends and after my PCT Im going to wait a month or so and get the levels checked to see if my hunch is right.

I really think it was that moster blast of cyp and test combined at week 7 that did me in. Now it feels like the test levels are in the sweet spot again. Live and learn I guess. So to sum it up, blasting myself with 800 iu of test was just a waste of good cyp. The T-3 in my opinion and in my case (everyone is different) is working. My weight has resumed the 2-3 pounds a week climb. My strenght is way up again. I am feeling like the old beast again in the gym. I will continue the test cyp at 600 a week to week 16. Then wait 21 days and start my PCT.

Oh one last thing, Test cyp does has some of the longest esters of any of the test preparations, and Test sus has no esters at all. So I was not mixing any esters. I had the proper things to help myself through any bumps in the road (Adex, and HCG) I used them when I needed to and now I am back on track. Next time I will ditch the test sus altogether. Or maybe just do it for the first 2 or 3 weeks until the cyp kicks in. Then add injectable winstol at weeks 8-16. Keep the same HCG, and adex regimen. and not do any moster blast doses. Might work for some but not for me. I'll keep posting my stats in case anyone is interested.

Right now I am at 225 with 15% BF working towards goal of 230 and 15% then start carving it up down to 10-12% BF with a weight at 200-205.
The other day I was doing my shoulder presses next to a Father and son doing shoulder presses they were moving 50-70 Lb dumbells. The kid double takes at me doing 100's for 8 reps, the Dad looks at him and says "don't worry about it, hes from another planet." lol
 
Even though suspension has no ester it still elevates your test levels. Just stick with one kind of test and keep it simple.

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Joe - I would have just stuck with one but I could not get my hands on enough of either to make an effective cycle so I made due with what I had. For PCT I plan on using Clomid, and HCG. About 20 days after my last cyp injection. I have been using small amounts of HCG every week just to keep the boys happy, and to not shut down completely.

I also have about 20oz of test cream, the kind you use like lotion, its in a bottle that meters 100 mg amounts. I have mixed thoughts about when to use this. I have heard Doctors tell me that this will only keep elevated test numbers elevated and it really is not an economical way of raising levels, and it is gentle enough to not shut you down. It was prescribed to me as part of a HRT program I am on. The doc doesnt know I am also using test cyp. I was just going to use it after my PCT just to keep levels elevated until my next cycle. Any thoughts on that?
 
Joe - I would have just stuck with one but I could not get my hands on enough of either to make an effective cycle so I made due with what I had. For PCT I plan on using Clomid, and HCG. About 20 days after my last cyp injection. I have been using small amounts of HCG every week just to keep the boys happy, and to not shut down completely.

I also have about 20oz of test cream, the kind you use like lotion, its in a bottle that meters 100 mg amounts. I have mixed thoughts about when to use this. I have heard Doctors tell me that this will only keep elevated test numbers elevated and it really is not an economical way of raising levels, and it is gentle enough to not shut you down. It was prescribed to me as part of a HRT program I am on. The doc doesnt know I am also using test cyp. I was just going to use it after my PCT just to keep levels elevated until my next cycle. Any thoughts on that?

I wouldnt use the cream. 100 mg of test is enough to shut you down after a few weeks. It would destroy your recovery. Use the hcg to blast before pct, not in pct. For pct use

Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/ unleashed combo
Forma
Daa

Run it for 4 weeks then you can run a natty test booster like bridge or a sarms stack. The gel will be like jumping back on without recovering.

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