Terrible Ttokkyo

[Pete D]

First of all let me say that I AM NOT A TTOKKYO BASHER, just a guy who had a really bad experience with their nandrolone 300 (had a blue cap and lot #, nice and sealed up, looked legit).

I have been training natural since age 18, now 32. 5'11" and 210lbs. with 12% fat. very apprehensively I started my 1st cycle 6 weeks ago with Ttokkyo Deca 300 at 300 mgs./week. After 4 weeks I noticed NOTHING, no strength increase or mass or stamina, just a tired feeling all the time (felt better when I was clean). I then added some Testosterone undecanoate(not the pill but injectible depot) at 400mgs./week about 2 1/2 weeks ago, still NOTHING. Yes I did get the test. from the same source as the Deca. What do you experienced guys think? Did I get stiffed? or do my receptors not respond to Deca (which I heard is the case with some people). Also, how in the world could the Testosterone be real when I haven't felt anything yet? remember this is my FIRST CYCLE, I should respond to reading the label!! I can't understand it, all I can say is that I am very dissapointed. I know that Steroids are not magic beans, but I have not put on 1 pound!! I want to stop injecting now (into it 6 1/2 weeks) and just go back to the drawing board. And trust me , I have been eating 5 to 6 meals a day with about 275 protein and 350 - 400 carbs and 80 fat.

I need advice, please help. Thank you in advance.

 

[Damian Borleone]

If you've been training properly and your diet is good, how can you NOT make gains in 6 1/2 weeks with or WITHOUT gear? Doesn't make sense.. So I doubt your problem is the gear. Btw, my post isn't meant as a flame.

 

[PimpnAintEasy]

Test undecanoate Depot? What made you choose that? Sounds like you could have bought fakes, b/c with test/deca you would at the very least have some water gain. Some people do not respond well to Deca, and Test undecanoate is an unconventional choice for Test. I don't know, bro, 6 1/2 weeks without anything to show but a run down feeling...personally, I'd stop and learn a little more before trying again---with a DIFFERENT source. I suggest you plan your cycle around Test ethanate or sustanon next time, and use Dbol.

 

[MadCow1]

New source - I'm amazed you kept at it this long.

If you are using test again choose one of the others or a blend.

 

[Pete D]

Damian,

When I get on the scale I am probably 2 pounds heavier than I was 6 1/2 weeks ago. What I am saying is that I have always trained hard, eaten well and haven't really had to change anything but just start injecting. I wanted to get past this "sticking point" that I have been at for the past 4 years. I feel that naturally I have achieved very close to my genetic potential. Maybe if I trained with a pro I Couldprobably put on a few more pounds of lean mass (maybe 5-7) because I'm sure the pro would push me past what ever I am used to being pushed to. I can honestly say that I don't think I can grow anymore naturally, marginally at best but nothing substantial. I wanted to gain at least 15 lbs. on this cycle and hope to keep 10 after I was done. This whole thing threw me for a loop and I am very dissapointed with it. I think that I should have seen at least some kind of strength increase and I should of seen about 10lbs. by now.

Damian, I know that you know what you are talking about, I have no doubt about that. But I honestly think it's the gear. I do appreciate your response.

 

[Riker29]

300 mg of DECA is not that much at all. By itself, I doubt that you woudl gain much anyway.

The test has only been in your system for like 3 weeks. Give it time. The NEXT 3 weeks will be a big indicator.

Eat right.

SLEEP.

Take supplement - yup, be damn sure you are taking vitamins, minerals, etc.

Do NOT overtrain.

If you are doing all of this correctly, you shouyld see gains from the Test kicking in between weeks 3-7 of the Test.

You are just on the verge of it I would imagine. Just hang in there.

 

[bissenmir]

my two cents says first time user should see results of some kind no matter what type of AS used.

My first time I was a dumb kid didn't do anything except one shot of test 200mg/week. After 3 week I was hungry like a mofo and stronger + adding body weight.

Don't you think AS will change your body chemically wheather you like it or not.

 

[Wombat]

I could give you a hand full of asprine and tell you they are d-bol and if its your first cycle you would gain 5 pounds with the placebo affect----You must not be eating ----- but their are some people that do not get any gains for juice ----Its just that anyone I have ever met say they dont get any gains from gear I laugh because they dont know shit about training -dieting-ect----Im not saying you are in that cata but the deca you had was legit and their is no way that you would not get strengh gains just thinking you were doing gear-----Well good luck and stay with it!---Are you sure you are not one of those guys who thinks that in 5 weeks of taking some shit that they will be Ronnie Coleman!

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

Deca seems very diet dependent. A buddy of mine used it for his first cycle and didn't gain jack, simply because he wasn't eating enough.

 

[lawnsaver]

300 mg of DECA is not that much at all. By itself, I doubt that you woudl gain much anyway.

The test has only been in your system for like 3 weeks. Give it time. The NEXT 3 weeks will be a big indicator.

Eat right.

SLEEP.

Take supplement - yup, be damn sure you are taking vitamins, minerals, etc.

Do NOT overtrain.

If you are doing all of this correctly, you shouyld see gains from the Test kicking in between weeks 3-7 of the Test.

You are just on the verge of it I would imagine. Just hang in there.

Your full of shit. 300mg a week is a solid dose. He got bad gear. I took 200mg of deca every 10 days for 10 weeks and gained 13lbs. Lets not convert another newbie to use these outragous doses. I still havent taken over 500mg of test yet. I still make 20lbs gains on my cycles and I have done about 7 cycles in 3 years.