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Terminator III Kicked Ass

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Anyone who doesnt think so is a pussy !


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Kristanna Loken is sooooo HOT.


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Here is this gorgeous beauty after she just arrives in T-3
 
It was full of action, but if you watch T2 (Like i did today) you'll notice a big difference between Camerons work compared to Mostow. They are both good directors but Mostow seems more action oriented where as Cameron was a combination of action and more developing of a story line.

I liked T3 and I will def. see it again...but T2 by far is my favorite....its a tie for me for T1 and T3....
 
We all know what happens eventually- JC takes over and wins the resistance against the machines. T4 wouldnt be as cool if it took place in the future, instead they should play on the time travel idea and somehow make it start off where it ended in T3 but somehow bring it back to Aug 29 1997 the day the original judgement day was supposed to happen since we already know what happens at the end of t3..That way it could be the machines chance to go a few years before and take john out for good. Just like in back to the future they can mess with the whole time travel idea and make a really deep plot.
 
What should happen in T4 is Cameron should write and direct it, and the end of the Terminator series should end with it showing the original terminator and K. Reese getting sent back to the past, and then the movie would end, everything coming full circle. It would be a perfect ending to one of the greatest movie sagas of all time.
 
Actually that is the only ending that COULD happen... after they smash skynet... then send Reese back.
 
XBiker said:
MagilliSHORTY has proved to be a sorry ass film critic.
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whatever. its my opinion. i think T2 was much better then T3.

look at how arnold died in both movies. T2 was epic, t3 seemed like a comedy, hardly any killing, the character build up was thin.

stop hating fags
 
here's an interview found by james cameron, original director and creator of the terminator series

PRESS: Are You still saying no "TRUE LIES 2"?

JC: Yes! (Laughs) I was on a whole different vibe.

PRESS: What was the story you had planned?

JC: Did you see the last James Bond film -- no I'm just kidding. There's no point -- it's just dead air. I am so not interested in that project.

RA: And your thoughts on B color=#800080T3/B?

JC: I'm not involved in T3. When I was in post on Titanic, I was approached on that. I said, "I'm just not that ... Ahhh, I mean, I told the story." I mean, the reason here to make the film is to cash in on the success of the franchise. I think films should be made from an organic place of 'I have a specific story to tell now I'm gonna figure out who's ready to pay for that.' It was 18 times harder to get the money to make Titanic than it ever would have been to make another Terminator film because that was a proven commodity, but I was much more interested in Titanic and I think that's the way films should be made.

PRESS: I asked about "True Lies 2" because I thought you wrote a script for it...

JC: No, We had a draft that was generated by another writer. I didn't write it. And I was never terribly satisfied with that draft ... and then the September11th attacks happened and the idea of a domestic comedy/adventure film about an anti-terrorism unit just didn't seem all that funny to me anymore.


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now think about it, the only returning cast is arnold. why would no one want to come back to a proven instant money maker? T3's story was blah compared to T2, as you can see everyone is saying it was full of action action action. i like action like the next guy but for me T2 is still up there.
 
MaGilicuti said:


whatever. its my opinion. i think T2 was much better then T3.

look at how arnold died in both movies. T2 was epic, t3 seemed like a comedy, hardly any killing, the character build up was thin.

stop hating fags
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Nothing personal, but you seem to be pretty negative when it comes to the big films that have been released this summer.
 
MaGilicuti said:
i went into matrix and t3 with high expectations. both movies were good but not what i thought they were gonna be
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I agree to some extent, but I still like both the shows.

I don't recall you critique of X2?

Did you think it sucked as well?
 
i went into matrix and t3 with high expectations. both movies were good but not what i thought they were gonna be
 
Saw it last night. I enjoyed it. There were some things that it could have done without (some of the cheesy comedy, the flagrant product placements, overuse, in my opinion, of CGI in some scenes), but it was entertaining. The action was incredible. That chase scene was phenomenal.

I don't like how they set it up for more sequels though. Although, I love hansel's idea of sending Reese back, but seriously, are they going to get Michael Biehn to play him again? The guy is probably Arnold's age, 55. And I doubt he's been keeping in top shape too ...
 
MaGilicuti said:
if you watched t1 then t3 right after they'd feel completely different and that's not how a sequel should be. this movie could have been rated pg-13. the tx was a good character but you didn't fear her like you feared t1000 in t2.
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Agreed. Robert Patrick did a hell of a job with the T-1000. I'd be scared of that fucker, for sure. Loken was only there as a sex symbol. Don't get me wrong, she did a good job, but there could have been a better villain, I think.
 
if you watched t1 then t3 right after they'd feel completely different and that's not how a sequel should be. this movie could have been rated pg-13. the tx was a good character but you didn't fear her like you feared t1000 in t2.
 
I'll have to see it for myself, but I have a feeling I'm going to agree with Mag. This movie looks like a real piece of dog shit compared to the first two.
 
From Zero said:


Agreed. Robert Patrick did a hell of a job with the T-1000. I'd be scared of that fucker, for sure. Loken was only there as a sex symbol. Don't get me wrong, she did a good job, but there could have been a better villain, I think.
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True, but when it's played off in such a subtle way like, you don't really expect what's coming from the T-X. She really did fuck some shit up in that movie. Part of it is the director's fault for not making her killings appear more violent. R. Patrick was dead on with his role, though, don't get me wrong.
 
XBiker said:


I agree to some extent, but I still like both the shows.

I don't recall you critique of X2?

Did you think it sucked as well?
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both xmen movies were good, better then i thought they'd be actually. i'm not really into comic books and all that, not sure how a person that is really picky about detail would critque the movies.
 
I agree with mags totally.

And I studied film for a while. You have to judge all three movies together.

T!- The best of them all imop, it was dark, made with a simple budget and Arnold nailed the role as pure evil.

T2- Comercially a true success. Not as dark as I would like, but the T1000 was played perfectly. All in all one of the great sequels of all time.

T3- A decent action movie, but pails in comparision to the first too movies. The female like Mags said was hot, but not scary. Arnold seemed to always kick her ass, if you recall the T1000 put a hurtin on Arnold time after time. The plot was one dimensional and very flat.

Listen once again everyone on EF is ganging up on a man for his opinion, theres a reason Cameron did not directic it.
 
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This is a quote directly from Arnold, on What You Need To Know About-Action Adventure Movies,

"That's the way she has arrived, so she can dress like a model or whatever, a woman, and be very disarming, but immediately when she touches you and then kills you and takes on your look and your personality and everything like that, she becomes very effective this way."

http://actionadventure.about.com/library/weekly/2002/aa091202a.htm

The part about being very disarming is what I'm talking about.
 
Ghost of the 'Machines'
BY JEFFREY M. ANDERSON
Of The Examiner Staff

We live in a time when all sequels are required to somehow outdo their predecessors in terms of size, content, sound, fury, etc. Everything has to be bigger, louder and faster. Sometimes that works, but often it doesn't.

And so it's very refreshing that the new "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines" is much smaller and lower-key than the previous film, "Terminator 2: Judgment Day," which in 1991 was the biggest and most expensive film ever made.

Indeed, "T3" sometimes feels a bit like the first "Terminator," which writer/director James Cameron made for a measly $6.5 million back in 1984, using stop-motion effects, camera tricks and matte paintings, just like an old-time monster movie.

And for a little while, "T3" actually looks like it's going somewhere. John Connor is now a twentysomething pretty-boy (Nick Stahl) who lives "off the grid," i.e. has no identification, no phone number, no address. A new, evil Terminator comes to kill him, arriving -- just like in the last movie -- in a glowing sphere and with no clothes. Only this time, she's a sexy blonde, called a T-X (Kristanna Loken).

The old model Terminator (Arnold Schwarzenegger) arrives as well, and this time we know he's the good guy (they tried to fool us last time). His job is to protect John as well as John's future bride, the veterinarian Kate Brewster (Claire Danes), who will eventually become John's first lieutenant in the war against the machines.

The movie starts with a good joke riffing on "T2." The Terminator enters a biker bar in the hopes of obtaining some sturdy leather clothes, but instead stumbles into a ladies' night strip-show complete with gay leather boys. Arnold not only gets some stylish duds but also learns the useful phrase, "talk to the hand."

But both Cameron and series star Linda Hamilton opted out of the new film, and that's probably a very good indicator that this latest installment isn't as good as its predecessors.

As soon as the film's first chase scene hits, the whole thing sputters and never gets back into gear. As directed by Jonathan Mostow ("Breakdown," "U-571"), the action scenes are of the shaky, choppy variety. Certain individual shots are completely blurry and almost totally unusable.

From there, the movie only sinks into stupid expository scenes, in which perfectly good actors are dressed up, plunked in front of the camera, and forced to explain to us what's going on. (Essentially, the heroes have to stop the military from engaging a computer software program that will launch a nuclear attack.)

Mostow and screenwriters John Brancato, Michael Ferris and Tedi Sarafian can't even stick to the rules regarding their new villain. Depending on the circumstance, the T-X can either run as fast as a car, or can't. Sometimes she can be stopped by an explosion and sometimes she can't. She's not much of a bad guy, and is not nearly as threatening as Robert Patrick was in "T2" -- though she effectively adopts some of his creepy mannerisms and movements.

Likewise Stahl, our new John Connor, has none of the talent or charisma that Edward Furlong showed in "T2." He looks more like a teddy bear or a Backstreet Boy than a great leader. It's physically impossible to believe that one grew into the other.

As the movie draws to its climax, the action grows more and more laughable. Stahl's labored performance grows more and more hysterical. Even someone as good as Danes is all but wasted as she suddenly announces that she's been trained to fly her father's military helicopter. (What luck!)

"Terminator 3" does a reasonable job of generating suspense from time to time, but the emotional involvement does not reach nearly the same level as the previous films.

In retrospect, "Rise of the Machines" is a perfect title for a film that feels written by machines. Perhaps this would have made a decent straight-to-video item. It's more worthy of a $3 rental and a bag of microwave popcorn than it is a trip to the multiplex

http://www.examiner.com/ex_files/default.jsp?story=X0702TERMINATORw
 
Clone without a Soul

If it looks like a Terminator, walks like a Terminator, and talks like a Terminator, then it must be a Terminator, right? Not when a new creative team takes over the franchise from its original creators. Jonathan Mostow's Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines replicates much of the surface qualities of James Cameron's Terminator 2: Judgment Day. They made a clone, but left behind the soul -- T3 is T2 without the heart, spirit, and humanity.

Surely the film's star, Arnold Schwarzenegger, doesn't mind. The Terminator has always been his best role, and the Austrian muscleman would want to end his Hollywood career (he has stated his intentions to move into the realm of politics after this movie) by reminding us why. He can still play the matter-of-fact robot perfectly, his face never flinching from its singular expression. Unfortunately, the script gives him nothing new to do, and Schwarzenegger ends up merely reminding us of glorious days past. Cameron brilliantly transitioned his Terminator character from ruthless villain in his first movie to cold-yet-loveable protector in the second -- scenes of the protectees' attempts to mold his personality were amusing, ironic, and original. The Terminator became a character; in Terminator 3, he's just retread.

In fact, everything about the new movie shouts "retread." The introduction of the rival Terminators -- the original (Schwarzenegger) and new female model T-X (Kristanna Loken) -- is similar to the last movie. The T-X's personality resembles Robert Patrick's T-1000 from T2 -- and no attempt emerges to play on the variation of this new version being female. We get lots of chases, gunplay, and explosions. We see a chase scene involving a large vehicle with 10 wheels or more. We view moments of rest between chases, where the Terminator and his two objects of protection, John Connor (Nick Stahl) and Kate Brewster (Claire Danes), talk about what's going on. Everything feels so... obligatory.

I believe the filmmakers put most of their efforts on giving the audience a great showdown spectacular. This movie isn't really about John's attempts to stop the end of the world -- it's not even about a good storyline in the first place, since it inexplicably turns John into some kind of a wimp and falls back on that deplorable Hollywood tendency to generate paranoia over the misunderstood computer virus. It's about original Terminator vs. T-X, both getting ready to rumble. Loken does her best Patrick impression, Arnold is Arnold, so let the bullets fly and the loud, random destruction commence. In all fairness, the action scenes are well-made -- I could even argue for Terminator 3 being mostly enjoyable purely as an action movie were it not for the fact that it's expected to carry the load from the previous Terminator flicks.

And what a weight that is. Terminator 2 practically exhausted its viewers' reservoir of emotions, eliciting fear, laughter, anger, sadness, despair and hope. Far from just a mindless action flick, T2 had depth and a point-of-view. It presented the most bleak scenario and gave us hope as the weapon. By showing us how a robot could, through the course of human interaction, understand the importance of emotions, it rooted for human love and compassion in the face of the human tendency to coldly exploit new technologies for potentially destructive purposes.

Terminator 3 lacks all this. And it feels unnecessary because T2 already featured the perfect ending to the story. Does T3 give its audience more insight to the issues already dealt with in the last movie? At best, the new movie ignores what was said in its predecessor and offers viewers mostly harmless action. At worst, it actually overturns the statements made in T2. It's as if T2 was an old ruling that a new Supreme Court, consisting of the people who replaced Cameron and crew, has been asked to overrule. I've never felt the air go out of the tires of a franchise as drastically as I did by the finish of T3.

Remember how Terminator 2 practically made us cry over a robot? When Arnold said, "I know now why you cry, but it's something I can never do," and when he descends and gives us that last thumbs up... man, I'm tearing up just thinking about it. Compare that to the exit he makes in Terminator 3, where he's just disposable. Is the new movie telling us everything T2 made a case for was a sham? That we should wake up and accept the coldness of the world? If it is, I don't want to hear it.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click...tic=columns&sortby=default&page=4&rid=1170981
 
The once-glorious "Terminator" franchise -- that elevated Arnold Schwarzenegger and James Cameron to prominence, introduced catch-phrases and brought morphing and computer graphics to the level of art -- has hit a wall in its third installment. "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines" has its moments, and Schwarzenegger is as buff and tough as ever. But there's a flat feeling about this effort that's unmistakable and inescapable.
A sense of occasion, of something grand and spectacular happening, is nowhere to be found on screen this time. Big things happen in "Terminator 3" -- in one scene, Arnold holds onto a crane as it smashes through an entire city block's worth of stores -- but none of it lands with the appropriate feeling of import. Perhaps we can blame director Jonathan Mostow, for not maintaining the operatic pitch that Cameron brought to the first two "Terminators." Mainly the problem is a weak story that throughout seems to be building toward something it never quite reaches.

In "T-2," Schwarzenegger -- playing a cyborg assassin turned cyborg protector -- had to go up against a more advanced cyborg killing machine. Lacking a better idea, the writers of "T-3" have him, once again, going up against a more advanced model, this time a female called T-X (Kristanna Loken), who arrives naked in a Rodeo Drive store window and goes on a murderous rampage. She has come from the future, looking to kill John Connor (Nick Stahl), a young man who, if he lives, will lead mankind to victory over the machines.

The hand-me-down story line should have been a warning, but the beginning of "Terminator 3" is so reminiscent of good times at the movies that it's hard to be critical. The Terminator (Schwarzenegger) also arrives on Earth naked and walks into a roadside bar, looking to steal the clothes off of someone's back. In the bar, it just happens to be Ladies Night, and the drunken women react to him as though he were a male stripper. The joke is as old as Schwarzenegger's career, but it has aged well: Place him in a raucous, embarrassing situation and have him react with complete impassiveness.

Schwarzenegger himself has aged well. At 55, he has the body of a . . . never mind, nobody else, old or young, has a body like that. More to the point, he looks the same as he did when he won the Mr. Olympia title in the 1970s. He is the Jack LaLanne of American movies.

In "T-2," John Connor, the future hope of mankind, was a boy. Now he's a young man, "living off the grid" as a drifter and a laborer, with no credit card or fixed address. He never knows who might drop in from the future, looking for him. A catastrophe at an all-night veterinary hospital throws Connor together with a young woman, Kate (Claire Danes). T-X shows up, and so does Terminator, and what follows is a genuinely exciting sequence, a battle between the two cyborgs, playing out over the streets and highways of Los Angeles, as night turns into day.

From there it seems as if "Terminator 3" can only grow and intensify, but it's precisely at that point that the movie's scale begins to contract. It becomes a small movie about the two cyborgs and the two humans, John and Kate. Alas, neither of the humans is nearly as colorful as Linda Hamilton in the first two installments. Off screen, her role was eliminated, the one character that might have lent some spark.

The rest of "T-3" is just going through the motions. A set-piece fight between T-X and Terminator in a men's room feels like precisely that, a set- piece. And the movie's effort to evoke laughs by trading on previous "Terminators" -- "She'll be back" -- only emphasizes the dearth of inspiration. A movie about an effort to save the world from annihilation would seem to demand the epic treatment. But the world remains at a remove, uninvolved in its own fate.

The movie does provide an opportunity for Schwarzenegger to do some acting, when the Terminator, dealing with two distinctly different sets of commands, is tortured by inner conflict. The best one can say about Schwarzenegger's acting at that moment is that maybe, just maybe, it's supposed to be funny. If not, he might want to rethink the possible political career. In politics, a candidate has to fool at least 50 percent of the people into thinking he's feeling something. In "Terminator 3," Schwarzenegger couldn't fool anybody.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/07/02/DD91179.DTL&type=movies
 
Casavant, to play devil's advocate:

http://movies.go.com/movies/T/terminator3_2000/index.html

Majority of the respected sources give it a positive or very positive review.

I myself saw it yesterday during a matinee. It was good entertainment, not as good as the first 2, but the ending was spectacular.
Arnold had too much of a personality in this one, but again the movie was still entertaining.
 
Quit posting these whiny fucking reviews and go see the movie.

Especially that last one, what a pussy ass review.



Look, a few things sucked abuot the movie, namely:

The EFX ad, that was deplorable and extremely irritating, the director should be ashamed.

The humor was funny but a bit overdone, it made the movie appear less dark

The movie should have been more violent and gory.

The next Terminator HAD to be a woman. It would have been boring having another guy play it, and Loken was not only super sexy but pretty threatening.

Hell she shot those fucking kids, you didn't see that in T-2


But seriously I think you guys are missing the point. This was the PERFECT interim movie for the final installment, T-4 which takes place in the future war!

Now if they dont' make a T-4 they really fucked it up but I think they will.



So quit whining! The movie was good! I did not expect the plot twists!
 
Frackal said:
Quit posting these whiny fucking reviews and go see the movie.

Especially that last one, what a pussy ass review.



Look, a few things sucked abuot the movie, namely:

The EFX ad, that was deplorable and extremely irritating, the director should be ashamed.

The humor was funny but a bit overdone, it made the movie appear less dark

The movie should have been more violent and gory.

The next Terminator HAD to be a woman. It would have been boring having another guy play it, and Loken was not only super sexy but pretty threatening.

Hell she shot those fucking kids, you didn't see that in T-2


But seriously I think you guys are missing the point. This was the PERFECT interim movie for the final installment, T-4 which takes place in the future war!

Now if they dont' make a T-4 they really fucked it up but I think they will.



So quit whining! The movie was good! I did not expect the plot twists!
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Frackal liked this movie for one reason Loken, and yes she is prefect!

Now get your head out of your ass and realize there were a ton of flaws in this movie...your smarted then this.
 
Funny how every positive review comes with conditional praise. LOL... here are some quotes I've pulled off of "thumbs up" reviews:






Big, tough Arnold, huge product placement, and no clever story. Yet the formula works.

It’s the same old story we have been dying to see again for ten years.

This time, the Terminator talks a lot. He’s downright chatty.

Screenwriters John D. Brancato and Michael Ferris (writers of David Fincher’s complex, smart movie The Game, starring the aforementioned Michael Douglas) do not bother refining, or, for that matter, deepening the Terminator bible. That would be like updating The Koran. Instead, we have all the set pieces that are retread, but, who cares?

Danes has an anguished, intelligent face that works well here. What she lacks, and might indeed aspire to, is Sarah Connor’s (Linda Hamilton) ferocious determinism and iron will. Perhaps Kate will come into her own in TERMINATOR 4? Stahl’s “I’m running away from my Savior of Mankind destiny” attitude leaves him wallowing around without much sex appeal. Perhaps he will mature and show some Spartan grit in the next one.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click...tic=columns&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1170736


T3 is not interested in breaking any new ground.

The movie scarcely even acknowledges the sci-fi paradoxes and mawkish emotional blubber favored by king-of-the-world James Cameron's two previous installments.

Super-fast, sorta dumb, often silly and occasionally quite wonderful, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is a feature-length chase scene that wants nothing more than to entertain you.

There's something indescribably funny about a hot Maxim chick with inflatable boobies tossing gigantic Ah-nald through concrete walls while kicking his arse up and down the CinemaScope frame.

Mostow is more craftsman than artist, which sounds like a put-down but seriously is not.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click...tic=columns&sortby=default&page=3&rid=1170980


It’s never clear why, exactly, she’s an improvement over the
Robert Patrick model we saw last time, but stuff keeps blowing stuff up frequently enough
and looking sexy enough that we don’t really have to think about it until the closing
credits.

Anyway, lots of stuff blows up, and that’s about it. Terminator 3 amounts to little
more than a chase movie, with our heroes constantly running from the villain, and on that
level, it’s fine. The plotlessness of it all is made up by some fun action sequences, which,
while lacking the non-stop thrills of, say, the car chase in The Matrix Reloaded, still
manage to pack a decent punch.

Terminator 3 mainly works simply
because stuff blows up real good, and Arnold looks cool in black leather.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click...tic=columns&sortby=default&page=5&rid=1171489


The closest that “T3” comes to imitating its predecessor’s thoughtfulness is its talk of destiny.

It wouldn’t be accurate to write that nothing really happens in “T3” despite its adherence to car chases, foot chases, and explosions. Still, watching the film isn’t mentally taxing, though it is physically challenging. Halfway through the movie, I started developing a headache, and I still have it while writing this review.

The first thing that you notice about “T3” is that several sequences quote the first two movies as if the filmmakers are desperate to earn audiences’ recognition that this indeed is a legitimate sequel to James Cameron’s vision.

On that note, I give “Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines” a “7” on DVD Town’s “10” scale for Film Value. It’s not any where near as good as “The Terminator” or “Terminator 2: Judgment Day”, but it’s a vivid way of experiencing punishing, clumsy violence being perpetrated by two entities that don’t tire.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click...tic=columns&sortby=default&page=6&rid=1170967







:FRlol: :elephant: Bwaaahahahahaahaaa....shee-yit. With friends like these.......
 
Cas you're banned from commenting on t his movie until you've seen it
 
The movies are certainly enjoyable.... I liked every one.

There is one glaring flaw that has to be pointed out. Machines took control because of Skynet and the way it populated itself virus-like throughout the world in computers.

So if they want to kill off humans... why bother with guns, lasers, etc...? All they have to do is just generate some kind of nanonite virus that breeds when it is exposed to oxygen. Sort of like mobile poisoning. Deploy these all over the areas of human resistant and voila - they win. I mean, if you look at the technology that the last two villians had.... in addition to the time travel capabilities... they could certainly do it.
 
Yes, there is a reason Cameron didn't direct it, and there's also a reason why critics are saying "by the end of T3, you will be saying James who?!"

James Cameron WANTED to do T3, right after T2. But the company that owned the rights went bankrupt, and nobody could even touch the film. Arnold wanted to buy the rights with Cameron, but Cameron assured Arnold that Fox would pick it up for a good price quickly. Well, pretty soon it was 2002, and now Warner Bro's had the rights. Cameron was busy doing his bullshit underwater crap, and didn't have time. Now that the critics are saying they love T3, he is being a sore loser, and saying he never wanted to do it. Yeah OK, maybe he should change what he said in MANY print and TV interviews of the past.

Cameron tells a good story, but he isn't some God of movies. He did 2 Terminator movies, Aliens, The Abyss, True Lies and some hyped up love story called Titanic. After he did that overrated stinker, who's heard of him? He's gone soft. Best parts about T1 were the raw talent of the newcomers. Lancer Henrikson, Arnold, Linda, Michael. They made that movie. Actually James used the same stars again and again after that. If you watch his movies they all mostly star Michael Bein, Arnold, Lance, etc. He was a great director, but now he is an overrated piece of shit, like John Carpenter, who thinks he shits gold, and anything he touches is a masterpiece.

T3 never pretends to be some gripping drama, it doesn't hide the fact that it's balls to the wall action, pure summer movie fun, with some laughs thrown in. It's that from the start, until the very end. Although it doesn't leave out the human touch, as when the ending comes, you can't help but feel for the two characters (I won't mention more for spoiler purposes), but for the most part this movie is a roller coaster that just doesn't let up. Your jaw will be on the floor, and your heart will be pumping.

Arnold looks pumped up and seems to have shaved 10 years off his life. It's amazing what getting back into shape, and having a lower bodyfat will do for not only the body, but face as well (he has his cheeks back, maybe he has been reading Fracks yohim posts! LOL). This is Arnold in his prime, and when I mean prime, I'm talking his Commando, Predator, Running Man type of prime. He's the tough guy action hero who is telling jokes along the way. It's an Arnold we've all missed, especially after such a long dry spell with movies such as 6th Day, and the dark End of Days. He does a terrific job this time out.

The supporting cast is excellent, and full of raw talent, just as the other 2 were. Claire Danes does a wonderful job, and for once is put in a role that really allows her to show more than one side to her acting. Nick Stahl, who has always done fine work, is excellent as John Conner, a young man who is uncertain if he really wants to fulfill his 'destiny.' Kristanna Loken is wonderful as the T-X. She does the role of the bad terminator justice. She has an eerie sense to her, the stone cold look on her face.

All in all a great movie. It's on par with part 1, but as some have mentioned, not so much with part 2, simply because it is not so much pure drama, as it is action. Although don't be fooled, this movie does have it all, although does lean towards the big scenes, and over the top action, this is a crowd pleasure for sure. If you are a classic Arnold fan, and you love action, then this movie is for you. Arnold said he would be back, and he is!
 
LOL, I don't get Cas doing all this major hating on the movie. He has never even seen it! He is basically setting him up so hard to hate this movie, that he probably will.

And for Fracks enjoyment, I will put this in, Kristanna is beautiful. This girl is a stunner, and I hope we see a lot more of her in future movies (now you can all wonder if I just want to see her nude, or see her in more movies. Perhaps both?! LOL).
 
When Kristanna is on screen there's a nuclear reaction in my pants
 
JC acted pussy in the movie..He was all tough and independant in T2 what happened to him in T3? I wouldve expected a much tougher character considering what they made him out to be when he was a little kid.
 
This is a different terminator than the one sent back in T2 right?

So how did this one know to find the keys to the truck in the sun visor?
Some things he did were just weird..
 
Explain this.... when the fire fighters and cops arrive at the vet clinic after the first fight between the two Terminators... why doesn't anyone question why the female is wandering around? You would think that someone would see her tampering with cop cars. Or at least ask what the fuck she was doing there in the first place.

Also, the same for Arnold. YOu think someone would notice this big ass man with a SHOTGUN walking out of a wrecked building and go "hhmmmm.... something is amidst with that scenario."



Also John Conner was not 13 when he was attacked the first time... he was 10.
 
this John Conner was terrible,.

You see he becomes the leader of the resistence because of Sara Conner, she teaches him from day one to be strong independent, and a powerful force. This is why she dates mercenaries and whatnot.

In T2 you see these traits, i.e. him ripping off the ATM.

Now fast foward to T3, hes a scared little boy. You see none of the gusto that he poytrayed in T2. You think Sara Conner was always a badass, no, she was a waitress that turned herself into a machine to fight the machines.

So then she dies and all of a sudden John becomes a pussy, please.

Story could have had a much better plot, not the same old story line as T2.
 
HighIntensity said:
this John Conner was terrible,.

You see he becomes the leader of the resistence because of Sara Conner, she teaches him from day one to be strong independent, and a powerful force. This is why she dates mercenaries and whatnot.

In T2 you see these traits, i.e. him ripping off the ATM.

Now fast foward to T3, hes a scared little boy. You see none of the gusto that he poytrayed in T2. You think Sara Conner was always a badass, no, she was a waitress that turned herself into a machine to fight the machines.

So then she dies and all of a sudden John becomes a pussy, please.

Story could have had a much better plot, not the same old story line as T2.
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He probably doesnt rip off ATMs anymore because he isnt a crabby 11 year old. How does ripping off an ATM make him a good future leader?
If you had some liquid metal bastard come back through time and try and kill you from then on you would probably be just a tad paranoid and scared as well.

This John Conner was quite good. T3 showed he had matured. You cant lead a resistance without maturity. Hacking ATM skills really have no use in the world following a nuclear war.
 
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VicTusDeuS said:
This is a different terminator than the one sent back in T2 right?

So how did this one know to find the keys to the truck in the sun visor?
Some things he did were just weird..
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i assume he was taught in the future already before he was sent back. just like how he didn't wanna kill anyone.

sux

and not only did john conner turn into a puss arnold did as well.
 
AAP said:
Explain this.... when the fire fighters and cops arrive at the vet clinic after the first fight between the two Terminators... why doesn't anyone question why the female is wandering around? You would think that someone would see her tampering with cop cars. Or at least ask what the fuck she was doing there in the first place.

Also, the same for Arnold. YOu think someone would notice this big ass man with a SHOTGUN walking out of a wrecked building and go "hhmmmm.... something is amidst with that scenario."



Also John Conner was not 13 when he was attacked the first time... he was 10.
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Chaos of the moment.
 
just watched it again and it makes sense that john conner is scared to lead the war now. that's why he's trying to prevent it so much throughout the movie.

what kind of terminator can't hit a target (captain brewster) with a clear shot? i'm just being picky now
 
AAP said:
Explain this.... when the fire fighters and cops arrive at the vet clinic after the first fight between the two Terminators... why doesn't anyone question why the female is wandering around? You would think that someone would see her tampering with cop cars. Or at least ask what the fuck she was doing there in the first place.

Also, the same for Arnold. YOu think someone would notice this big ass man with a SHOTGUN walking out of a wrecked building and go "hhmmmm.... something is amidst with that scenario."



Also John Conner was not 13 when he was attacked the first time... he was 10.
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Different websites will say he was anywhere from 9-15 in T2. The movie doesnt really say anyway. Some sites even call him a hacker who lives off the grid in T3. I didnt see him hacking anything.
 
HighIntensity said:
I agree with mags totally.

And I studied film for a while. You have to judge all three movies together.

T!- The best of them all imop, it was dark, made with a simple budget and Arnold nailed the role as pure evil.

T2- Comercially a true success. Not as dark as I would like, but the T1000 was played perfectly. All in all one of the great sequels of all time.

T3- A decent action movie, but pails in comparision to the first too movies. The female like Mags said was hot, but not scary. Arnold seemed to always kick her ass, if you recall the T1000 put a hurtin on Arnold time after time. The plot was one dimensional and very flat.

Listen once again everyone on EF is ganging up on a man for his opinion, theres a reason Cameron did not directic it.
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You hit it dead-on. Much of the effectiveness of the original comes from its campy, low-budget charm. The sequels are just increasingly fading attempts to photocopy the success. And you can't manufacture charm.
 
She can terminate me anytime, my only request is she is naked when she does it cuz that would def be a god thing to see before you die

I loved the movie, it OWNED Matrix, ten times better, this and Xmen2 are prob my fav movies this summer, Hulk being a close third...it all made sense and thats what I like, I actually had low expectatons for this, and was very plesantly surprised, it also had some of the best one liners I have heard in forever
 
VicTusDeuS said:
This is a different terminator than the one sent back in T2 right?

So how did this one know to find the keys to the truck in the sun visor?
Some things he did were just weird..
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dude, he didn't find keys. he found a watch and some shades. he still had to hotwire the truck.
 
AAP said:
Also, the same for Arnold. YOu think someone would notice this big ass man with a SHOTGUN walking out of a wrecked building and go "hhmmmm.... something is amidst with that scenario."
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amiss.

And I hated the guy who played JOhn COnnor. I just hated his look. Also the sappy voiceovers are something that I have hated abotu thw whole franchise. Like at the end of T2.
 
anyone ever wonder why the terminators actually see pictures and words in that red mode they show? i mean do they actually read the writing and "look" at the pictures. wouldnt the info just be directly transmitted into their computer
 
That is perhaps to be represenatative to us Rick, or because english was what the original Skynet was programmed with...who knows..


Anyway, the only hole I saw in the story was when the TX was looking for Katherine Brewster in the kennel... The TX would have extremely good hearing and would have heard Katherine breathing easily..probably heard her heartbeat as well.
 
Frackal said:

Anyway, the only hole I saw in the story was when the TX was looking for Katherine Brewster in the kennel... The TX would have extremely good hearing and would have heard Katherine breathing easily..probably heard her heartbeat as well.
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pretty crappy killing machine. much weaker then the t1000
 
Great third movie....plot was a tad thin but the action was incredible much like the 1st. Less drama, less interaction and my only complaint less dark..when the fat guy in front of me laughs after every line, that gets a little annoying. Anyways, the movie is set up for the last part and I look forward to it. Overall, the best action movie I've seen this summer including Matrix:Reloaded.
 
HighIntensity said:
this John Conner was terrible,.

You see he becomes the leader of the resistence because of Sara Conner, she teaches him from day one to be strong independent, and a powerful force. This is why she dates mercenaries and whatnot.

In T2 you see these traits, i.e. him ripping off the ATM.

Now fast foward to T3, hes a scared little boy. You see none of the gusto that he poytrayed in T2. You think Sara Conner was always a badass, no, she was a waitress that turned herself into a machine to fight the machines.

So then she dies and all of a sudden John becomes a pussy, please.

Story could have had a much better plot, not the same old story line as T2.
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Maybe he's just all bugged out and pussified over losing his terminator father figure and his world from that point on became confusing and uterly hopeless, leaving him with nothing more than a messed up head and forcing him to abandon everything he once knew. He also lost his mom too, you know. He didn't have anyone at the start of T3. Didn't know what if anything was going to happen. I'd be a little bummed out too.
 
Saw it last night-great movie, the comedy additions were a little cheesy but overall the action was top notch, I didn't expect the ending either.
 
Frackal said:
That is perhaps to be represenatative to us Rick, or because english was what the original Skynet was programmed with...who knows..


Anyway, the only hole I saw in the story was when the TX was looking for Katherine Brewster in the kennel... The TX would have extremely good hearing and would have heard Katherine breathing easily..probably heard her heartbeat as well.
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Now that you mention it I noticed that too.
 
i dont understand why the terminator couldnt have just traveled farther back in time and destroyed skynet before it was even made.
 
RickCorso2 said:
i dont understand why the terminator couldnt have just traveled farther back in time and destroyed skynet before it was even made.
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Because then there would be no movie.

A machine could also travel back to the 1800's and kill John Conner's great, great, great, great grandmother.
 
Hell if you have the special edition T2 and the code to start the extended movie the end shows John as a Senator with his kids and wife and Sarah is a old lady at the park that was nuked in her dream.
 
The movie was so-so. T2 was far better. However the action scenes were outstanding (The crane chase and the terminator bathroom brawl) and i would recommend the movie just for these scenes alone . The plot was weak. Claire Danes remembering she had a pilots license at just the right time was stupid.
 
i just got back from seeing it...thought it kicked ass. i was most pleased with the ending because for a while there i thought they were going to be able to thwart the full-on nuclear war, but then when they reached the fallout shelter and realized they were there to be protected, i was like "excellent." i enjoyed it more than Reloaded.
 
rushx79 said:
so whats the reason for t3, is it because of the half a arm that arnold left in the gears in t2 or what?
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nah, that's what james cameron left that there for so there would be an explaination for the sequel though.

in the 3rd movie it was just explained that fate could not be avoided.
 
Not sure if this has been posted yet, (I didnt feel like reading 4 pages of this) but I was watching T2 today, and compared to T3, musically, it sucked. At the "ominous" scenes in T2 involving the T1000, you really got an uneasy feeling, I think because of the score. Low horns, tubas, etc gave the T1000 a really diabolical feel. I didn't feel any of that with the TX. In fact, I don't remember anything of an impressive score at all from T3. I usually remember certain pieces of music when I hear them in a movie (like T2, Jurassic Park, Pearl Harbor, etc).
 
T3 is the number one movie, and the 2nd highest opening for an R rated movie ever behind Matrix 2. It's official, Arnold is back.

Ew asked him if this is one of his last movies, he said he is starting preproduction of Westerworld now, and when the Warkoski (check sp) brothers are done with Matrix Revolutions, they are going to produce King Conan Crown of Iron for him! He also mentioned talks of T4 in another interview.

Now that everyone loves Arnold again, and he is given back his action star of the world title by kiss ass reviewers who forgot about him for the past 4 years, and with Sly coming back with another Rocky and Rambo, guys like Vin better look for another job. Seems like the best from the 80s-mid 90s are coming back to kick ass again. It's damn good to see Arnold back, action movies just aren't that good anymore, The Rock is good, but he's only done one movie! That leaves us with guys who look like they never even hit puberty sporting abs and nothing else, and Vin Diesel. A 6'2 190lbs Vin wearing a wifebeater, and doing 'yo b' movies, just doesn't cut it.
 
it's not great

I just saw Predator again... what a kick-ass action movie. This, no.

After the first chase scene (and the whole movie is a chase scene with a couple stops to change cars) the movie starts to fail. Really though, that scene is damn hard to live up to. It was so over the top I cracked up laughing.
John Connor has gone from a future leader to an aimless drifter who clearly doesn't remember anything about survival tactics. All his mom's time, down the drain.

Stop drooling over Kristanna Loken, she looked horrible. If you've ever seen Mortal Kombat:Konquest you'll know what I'm talking about. She looked fine in a couple eps of Sliders too. Bad hair and no leg shown in this movie. Wasted. Not even scary.

Bottom line: most people will enjoy the action but Terminator fans will be very disappointed by this flat T2 remake. Expect this to drop off the charts in a couple weeks.
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LXG looks like it'll be bad. I'm holding out for SWAT and BadBoys2 as contenders for the true summer movie.
 
Well I liked it. It had the gritty feel of the 1st movie. T2 seemed a little more slick then both movies. Really it's the worse of the three movies but that still makes it a good movie IHMO.
 
I thought it was a decent movie, only part I had a problem with was when the chick was driving the 2 or 3 cop cars, fire truck, the ambulance, and the crane, what was that all about? turning the wheels, pressing the bakes and gas? RIGHT!!!!!! It was better than I thought. I liked T2 a lot better though.

this was rated R? for what?
 
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Island Son said:
I just saw Predator again... what a kick-ass action movie. This, no.

Bad hair and no leg shown in this movie. Wasted. Not even scary.
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You must have missed the part where she is in the military facility in a skirt. :o
 
I thought it was too short too. I saw it at 11:30. Got out at 1:30. There was at least 20-30 minutes of commercials and previews too. T1 and T2 were like 2 hours +. What the crap?
 
Didn't read all this crap.

My opinion:
Good but not great....

Why?
Good action/funny lines... but the exact same plot as in T2. Terminator comes back to fight technologically superior opponent, etc...
 
good movie...saw it last night...LOVED the ending

for those of you wondering how old john conner was in T2. He was in 8th grade at the time it happened...they said it in the movie
 
Re: it's not great

LXG looks like it'll be bad. I'm holding out for SWAT and BadBoys2 as contenders for the true summer movie. [/B][/QUOTE]

are you fucking kidding me? Colln Farrel can NOT make up for a movie with LL Cool J and that ugly lazy eyed bitch from Fast and Furious and Res Evil in it, and well the first bad boys was alright but awrence still fucking sucks
 
Frackal said:
Apparently Terminator 3 has outed Island Sun
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More like outed your bad taste in chix. I say again she was WASTED and is way better looking than she ever looked in the movie.

Yes Martin has always sucked (almost as grating as Chris Tucker's) but it was still a good action movie. Arnold can't act but he still had good summer movies.
 
Arnold doesn't have to be a great actor, e has charisma, he's Arnold, its as somple as that..the oter actors aren't even close to having his fanfare
 
I know you all have anxiously been waiting for me to weigh in with an opinion.

It is a very satisfying movie that made me feel good. No I was not scared of the T-X.....I mostly wanted to rail her but that added to the feel good quality of the movie.

Arnold was great and the action was as good as I have seen.

The actor choice for John Connor was not impressive however.

It was the perfect build up to another sequel and damned good for essentially retelling the story.
 
CAMERON LIKES "T3" & ARNOLD IN "ALIENS"?

http://www.thearnoldfans.com/news/530.htm

CAMERON LIKES "T3" & ARNOLD IN "ALIENS"?
Arnold, Sigourney and Aliens in same movie?
Reported By: René de Jong
Monday, July 7, 2003

T1 and T2 director James Cameron recently talked with BBC1 and finally admitted he's very happy with Terminator 3. "In one word: Great. There was a small part of me that hoped it wasn't good - but another part of me hoped it succeeded. And it did. And I'm so glad it did. Jonathon's made a great movie. Arnold's in great form. I really like what he's done with it".

If he had done it, would he have handled it differently: "Yes. That's only natural. I mightn't have structured it the same, nor may I have ended it the same way - but coming in where he has, such a hard thing to do, and I give Jonathan points for it".

How about all these rumors of Cameron wanting to do another Alien movie and what did he think of Alien 3? "Hated it. Simple as that. I hated what they did.... I couldn't stand Alien 3 - how they could just go in there and kill off all these great characters we introduced in aliens, and the correlation between mother and daughter. It stunk, but hopefully I'll get a chance to rectify all that".

Will Arnold reteam with Cameron again for another sci-fi picture? "We're looking at doing another one. Something similar to what we did with Aliens. A bunch of great characters, and of course Sigourney. I've even discussed the possibility of putting him [Arnold Schwarzenegger] into the Alien movie".
 
Island Son said:

Arnold can't act but he still had good summer movies.
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It seems like a lot of people are saying he can't act, most likely because of his accent. Take that away and he'd be as good as any other leading male in hollywood. Go figure.
 
Arnold can't act? Arnold is charasmatic, he has a presence. Watch Conan the Barbarian, especially the last few scenes, when he is sitting on Thulsa Dooms steps. Those moments of silence speak volumes. Also in Twins he showed he could do comedy, and in T2 drama. I hate to bring it up because it just doesn't feel like an Arnold movie, but in Collateral Damage Arnold does a fine acting job. In a role that was made for a Tommy Lee Jones/Harrison Ford type, Arnold more than held his own.

Arnold is a good actor, and is the all time greatest action hero for a reason. People like him, and they like his movies.

ps. If you think Kristanna is wasted, then you are nuts. She is a pretty girl, and it seems you are just hating.
 
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