Tennis Elbow mid-cycle....

[Christianlifter]

Hey bros,

I got tennis elbow towards the end of my last cycle. I took a month off, cortisone shot too and it doesnt seem to be working I made an appt with an Orthopedic doc. I cant get in until 12/1 though.
I have been wearing the strap for tennis elbow, it helps a little;;Anyone else have this happen?

Thanks Bros.

God Bless

 

[westck]

About 1 1/2 years ago I had tennis elbow. I t drove me nuts. I did'nt try a cortisone shot but someone told me to try one of those copper bracelets with the little magnets in it. I did, and after about 4 or 5 days I noticed it getting better and a couple weeks later it was completely gone. I still wear one today. I'm not saying it will work for you, but it's worth a try.

Best of luck

 

[houseofpain]

Oh Yeah...

I've had both tennis AND golfers elbow happen during different cycles. The former is related to tendon pain on the outside of the elbow, the latter is on the inside.

The problem is that tendons don't respond to AS the same way muscles do. While muscles on AS can withstand much greater stresses than normal, tendons actually become more supple and prone to damage like micro tears, (especially if cycles are run excessively long).

What to do...? If you're in pain, the damage is done and there's no way to accelerate healing other than using movements that eliminate or reduce the amount of pain you're feeling.

I keep hearing people say they're getting corticosteroid (cortizone) shots to reduce inflamation and pain. But when you get these, your doctor should also be telling you NOT to go back to lifting heavy. Just like regular AS for body building, corticosteroids weaken the tendon even more while the healing takes place. If you try pushing back into your normal routine after a corticosteroid shot, you run the risk of even more damage or worse yet the potential for something more drastic like a partial or complete detachment of the tendon. Either way, it's not worth the risk.

If you only have moderate tenderness in and around the elbow, WARM UP the affected joints with light weights before every workout (more than you normally would). Experiment with different exercises than the ones that cause pain. For me, heavy straight bar curls and wide grip pull ups were the killers. I just switched to dumbell curls so I could shift my wrist angle during the movement and went to a closer grip pull up until the tendons healed (it took about 2 months to completely get back to normal).

If you have debillitating pain in your elbow(s), then you should probably lay off working out altogether for at least a few weeks. A torn tendon will heal a lot faster than one that becomes completely detached and needs to be surgically fixed.

 

[atutt2]

Well, there's been an underground movement for years now becoming more main stream you can try. It's called active release technique or ART for short. A lot of Olympians and atheltic organizations use doctors that are trained in this field.
You can read more at
www.activerelease.com

 

[Christianlifter]

Thanks alot brothers

 

[houseofpain]

ART is useful AFTER the tendons have healed if your condition was so severe that it caused shortening of the tendons and reduced range of motion (due to scarring).

What they're basically doing is stretching the tendon through deep tissue massage and manipulation. While this can provide temporary relief for currently inflamed tendons, I've seen no evidence that it helps in healing the damage any faster and it may actually prolong the healing process.

 

[gsx1300r]

what about cross friction massage?
i have tennis elbow and its been hurting for months now my doc is doing cross friction massage theropy and it hurts like hell when he does it but its been getting better

 

[Stillgoing]

Bro I've had this off and on for the last 15 years. What has worked for me is icing it after workouts and taking anti-inflammitories (may not be good if your on orals at the same time). You probably don't want to hear this, but, when it got unbearably bad a couple times the only thing that worked for me was backing down in weight on the exercises that caused the most pain (back pulldowns, barbell curls, etc).

 

[Zyglamail]

Im going against the grain on this one, anti-inflamatories, ice and worst of all cortizone will NOT be the best rout to healing.

Inflamation is paramount to proper healing. Im not going to bother going into details now since I have preached on this topic many times in the past. Athletes and AAS users in particular are the first ones to condemn the medical community for their lack of knowledge when it comes to exercise and AAS yet blindly follow what most preach at the expense of their health. It blows my mind.

 

[gsx1300r]

Zyglamail

so what is the best route?

 

[Christianlifter]

so what is the best route?

Do a search for Prolotherapy...Im trying it tomorrow...

 

[glennds]

funny you should bring this up. i am a tennis player and play 3-4 days/week. (it is possible here in so cal!) and have made some changes to my game this fall. i was practicing more than usual and came down with tennis elbow for the first time.

boy it is painful! it is getting a little better because i am laying off the courts. i must face the fact that i have to let it rest. it now hurts when i shake someones hand. the pain shoots thru my entire arm.

i also started my first cycle and wondered if it may have excaberated it. it has seemed more painful than usual lately.

we are all looking for a magic bullet but the only cure is time and rest. i have heard cortisone shots cause more bad than good in the long run as it prolongs healing.

 

[Goldprospector]

Funny thing is, when I get it..on or off cycle, it is generall caused by curls, like wide grip straaight bar curls or incline DB curls...BUT... When I do compound exersizes like chins or reverse grip pulldowns, then I don't experience the pain. So instead of stopping the muscle work, at least try a different exersize that may not irritate it. Worked for me.

 

[theoak01]

Im prone to shoulder injuries and such from working out and they get tender if I go up to fast in weights,but taking 2-3 grams of glucosamine sulphate every day get them feeling much better after a few weeks

 

[glennds]

someone recommended glucosamine to me the other day. i never even heard of it. i must check this out.

 

[BioAS]

massage, ice, work around

I have had similiar problems and when clients of mine ask about their tennis elbow. I tell em to first try to avoid exercises that aggrevate it...for me its usually isolation exercises and compound exercises ususally dont agreevate it...but each persons injury is different so for starters work around it...second of all start icing it right after your workout, after massages, and before bed....finally massage the area...I would take a hold of where it is and massage the living crap out of it...do this for 5-10 minutes once or twice a day and follow immediately by ice...i guarantee this will speed up the healing process...also antiinflammatory drugs are good...alleve, vioxx, celebrex..anyways hope this helps...good luck

 

[benevolent anarchist]

Goldprospector and BioAS; same here. The worst offender (for me) is preacher curls, but almost any supported pulling movements irritate my elbow problem, with exception to supported hammer curls, which don’t seem to bother me.

For me; capsicum patches have worked best, but since this is the anabolic board I can’t forget to mention what has helped the most; r-HGH + Deca.

 

[theprofessional]

What you need is the bucket of pain. Take a bowl and fill it with ice. Add water. Add your elbow. Wait 15 minutes. This will help more than anything. Keep us posted.

TP

 

[Zyglamail]

What you need is the bucket of pain. Take a bowl and fill it with ice. Add water. Add your elbow. Wait 15 minutes. This will help more than anything. Keep us posted.

TP

Once again people associate lack of pain with proper healing . How about I load your arm up with lidocaine and simply chop it off, no more pain so you must be healed right?

 

[theprofessional]

Ummm, since when is icing an injury just to kill the pain? Just don't get that comment....

 

[benevolent anarchist]

I’ll say one thing; these types of injuries are very prevalent among those in the bodybuilding community.

So what is to blame for this?

Is it the high load, low rep style training that most of us commonly use? Or does it have more to do with AAS use in general?

I’m guessing that it’s a combination of the two. tren (for example) causes such dramatic strength increases that I must fight the temptation to keep adding weight each time I hit the gym. And winstrol… well that just makes every bone in my body feel brittle.

 

[Rosscoe]

I had problems with tennis elbow and i tried glucosimine sulphate (1000mg/per day)

It takes about a month to start working but when it does you should be able to do your workout with relatively little pain. It may not work for everyone but it's worth a try. It's not expensive and you can get it from most health food shops.

 

[Zyglamail]

Ummm, since when is icing an injury just to kill the pain? Just don't get that comment....

Then what exactly is the ice for? Reduce inflamation? If thats the case its an even worse idea. Inflamation is the main trigger of the healing cascade, reduce/eliminate inflamation and you reduce/eliminate healing and people reliance on anti-inflamatories such as ibuprofine, or ice or worse yet cortisone are the main reason people keep having reocurring injuries or never heal at all.

 

[ebear]

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