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“Postmodernist’s primary goal has been to challenge convictions about the objectivity of knowledge and the stability of language.” (Appleby, 201)
“Postmodernists question the superiority of the present and the usefulness of general world views, whether Christian, Marxist, or liberal. For the, as Foucault has claimed, ‘each society has its regime of truth, its ‘general politics of truth.’ With them, there is no truth outside of ideology.” (Appleby, 203)
“They deny any direct personal relation to the reality of the world out there because reality is the creature of language.” (Appleby, 214)
“Thus it could be argued, reality, or what metaphysics called ‘presence’ (logos, whether in the form of reality, presence, reason, or the Word of God), is never directly available to u. Reality is always shrouded in language, and the workings of language are in turn veiled by the operation of cultural codes.” (Appleby, 214-215)
“The single, individual identity is, in the postmodernist’s new, a historical creation whose days are limited. Facts did not present themselves directly to the historian; the historian picked and chose among them, guided by his ideological presuppositions.” (Appleby, 216)
“Postmodernists question the superiority of the present and the usefulness of general world views, whether Christian, Marxist, or liberal. For the, as Foucault has claimed, ‘each society has its regime of truth, its ‘general politics of truth.’ With them, there is no truth outside of ideology.” (Appleby, 203)
“They deny any direct personal relation to the reality of the world out there because reality is the creature of language.” (Appleby, 214)
“Thus it could be argued, reality, or what metaphysics called ‘presence’ (logos, whether in the form of reality, presence, reason, or the Word of God), is never directly available to u. Reality is always shrouded in language, and the workings of language are in turn veiled by the operation of cultural codes.” (Appleby, 214-215)
“The single, individual identity is, in the postmodernist’s new, a historical creation whose days are limited. Facts did not present themselves directly to the historian; the historian picked and chose among them, guided by his ideological presuppositions.” (Appleby, 216)
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“Yet postmodernism has also raised its own set of concerns, just as every previous theoretical intervention did. Chief among them has been the problem of linguistic determinism or conflation, the reduction of the social and natural world to language and context to text. In other worlds, postmodernism throws into question the modern narrative form, proving again that the philosophy of history does matter.” (Appleby, 230-231)
“Postmodern history too often seems to consist of denunciations of history as it has been known rather than of new histories for present and hence future time.” (Appleby, 236)
“The argument of this essay can be stated simply: among theorists of and apologists for postmodernism (the two categories overlap), there are a few who take time to discuss a new kind of historical writing-a postmodern history which, apparently brings the way we know or think of the past into line with the poststructuralist critique of current historical practice.” (Rosenstone, 198)
“The heart of postmodernism, all theorist agree, is a struggle against History. With a capital H. A denial of its narratives, findings and truth claims. A view of it as the oedipal father the meta-narrative of meta-narratives, the last and greatest of the white mythologies used to legitimate Western hegemony, a false and outworn discourse that fosters nationalism, racism, ethnocentrism, colonialism, sexism-and all the other evils of contemporary society.” (Rosenstone, 200)
“Postmodern history too often seems to consist of denunciations of history as it has been known rather than of new histories for present and hence future time.” (Appleby, 236)
“The argument of this essay can be stated simply: among theorists of and apologists for postmodernism (the two categories overlap), there are a few who take time to discuss a new kind of historical writing-a postmodern history which, apparently brings the way we know or think of the past into line with the poststructuralist critique of current historical practice.” (Rosenstone, 198)
“The heart of postmodernism, all theorist agree, is a struggle against History. With a capital H. A denial of its narratives, findings and truth claims. A view of it as the oedipal father the meta-narrative of meta-narratives, the last and greatest of the white mythologies used to legitimate Western hegemony, a false and outworn discourse that fosters nationalism, racism, ethnocentrism, colonialism, sexism-and all the other evils of contemporary society.” (Rosenstone, 200)
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I found some quotes that sort of illustrates my hypothesis that postmodernist history effects even modern historical theorists/historians. I think the questions it raises necessitates a reevaluation of modernist historical ideals. (objectivity, knowability, the idea of a single reality (which transcends social/cultural interpretations). I need to find more info on narratives and language, their effect on the modernist historical ideals.
“The practical content of hypothetical absolutes like equality, liberty, justice, or natural law varies from period to period, or from continent to continent. Every group has its own values which are rooted in history.” (Carr, 108)
“This illustrates my thesis that objectivity in history does not and cannot rest on some fixed and immovable standard for judgment existing here and now, but only on a standard which is laid up in the future and is evolved as the course of history advances. History acquires meaning and objectivity only when it establishes a coherent relation between past and future.” (Carr, 173)
“But the concept of absolute truth is also not appropriate to the world of history-or, I suspect, to the world of science.” (Carr, 159)
“The practical content of hypothetical absolutes like equality, liberty, justice, or natural law varies from period to period, or from continent to continent. Every group has its own values which are rooted in history.” (Carr, 108)
“This illustrates my thesis that objectivity in history does not and cannot rest on some fixed and immovable standard for judgment existing here and now, but only on a standard which is laid up in the future and is evolved as the course of history advances. History acquires meaning and objectivity only when it establishes a coherent relation between past and future.” (Carr, 173)
“But the concept of absolute truth is also not appropriate to the world of history-or, I suspect, to the world of science.” (Carr, 159)
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jestro said:
Yeah I totally agree lol. The theories began in other areas. I think architecture, then art, the literature. Then the same theories were applied to social sciences, then history. And when it's applied to history where everything gets fucked up, murky, and confusing. (Which is why I'm interested in it) lol.
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