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prop 100mg eod wk 1-12
eq 400mg wk 1-10

or

prop 100mg eod 1-10
eq 400mg wk 1-8

arimidex .5mg e3d 1-10

week 5-6
hcg what amount?

PCT
pct start 2 days after last prop injection
nolv 40 mg ed WK 1ST
2ND 3RD WK
nolv 20mg ed

hcg 3 times a week FOR 3 WEEKS START 2ND DAY AFTER LAST PROP INJECT
2000iu each injec
what days would be best? MWF?

LAST WEEK OR 2
arimidex .5 e3d
anyone see any probelms?also when should i throw my clen in there?i plan on using it also?
 
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quite a few issues with it. imo:

hcg throughout up until about 1 week after final aas dose
hcg individual shots no more than 500iu
hcg 3x a week? why? would rather see biweekly on successive days to avoid tolerance
would ideally like a front load of test in some way, either by using fast acting agent or increasing dose for first little while and tapering down
femara in week 15...explain..

cheers
 
this is what i have been told about the hcg was like mwf 2000 iu for pct for 3 weeks,i was alos told to do it mid cycle to help balls back to size and to ensure better recovery..never though of front loading...and the femera at the end was just to make sure i didnt get aestrogen rebound from the hcg..i already have a bit of gyno i dont want anymore...lol...but thats why i asked for opinions so let me knwo what you think....also about the test i am prone to acne so i wanted to inject everyday little amounts to keep my levels sort of level so i can slim the chance of breaking out real bad..thats why i didnt want to use enan becuase of it all sitting and gathering in my system
 
fair enough. read a little more on steroid.ology (without the .) in the anabolic section for a rundown on pct, anti aromatics and the rationale for using each. your understanding of a coule of issues is a little off, but read a bit more and youll get the hang of it

front loading has been covered a million times also, read a little on that

your acne is a concern...you should take steps to adress that (topical antibiotics at least, possibly an oral derm agent pre approved by your doctor). multiple injects will not make a difference, since a single depot inject isnt too far removed from multiple injects for acne anyway. you will avoid it through hygiene, exfoliation, some drugs, of not using aas at all

cheers
 
thanks for the info
 
ok so i havnt ever heard nobody say this>>>>>>>>
Take it at 500iu's every 3rd or 4th day while on cycle.
i thought that you didnt want to take it much because you would get desensitised to it....so really it should be taken the whole time from 1-10 then 11-13 >>>>>>.it says>>>>>
The opening dose is often 3000iu's followed sometimes by another 3000 4 days latter and then 1500iu's every 4th or 5th day and then the last shot is usually only 1000iu's....total time three weeks.
but i thought hcg raises estrogen levels?and you need high estrogen to help recover so thats why thought to nolvadex would be good since femera would hurt the recovery by eliminating the estrogen while nolv just kept the receptors blocked...
so now what you guyys think?
hcg every 4 day 500iu 1-10
11
3000iu
3000iu
12-13
1500iu every 4 day
1000iu last shot
so when does nolva come in?i cant just use it from the start of the hcg pc?or should i wait till hcg last shot is took then go nolva at 80mg on day one in divided dose and then 40mg /day for a week and then 20mg/day for at least 3 more weeks.


that site got me al fucked up now...kinda goes against what i learned here...so what you guys think i would like other peoples opinions...on this
should i do pct how i was onna do it
mid cycle hcg 2 weeks then end of cyle for 3 weeks 2000iu 3 times a week
with nolva 40 first week the 3 more weeks at 20?
followed by a week or 2 of ferema to make sure i have no rebound?

or does the one i copied from the other site sound better using all the way through etc...
 
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bump for opinion on last post...
 
dam this was a thread of pepole who really know there shit. and did there homwork.....im still fairly new to the game so i just wanted to thank ya'll for sharing your knowledge! you are the pepole these fucking sports reporters and ignorant fucks need to talk to
 
I think it is a waste to take HCG all through your cycle. Maybe hit it once midway only if you notice significant atrophy. Save the HCG for the last two weeks, at 500-1000IU 3X weekly unless your experienced and know you need more. You should probably run your adex or letro with it. Otherwise I think you will want to extend your PCT to about 6 weeks. First two weeks HCG and nolva, then drop the HCG and add the clomid. At that point I would also drop any anti-aromatase agents.

With prop you do not need a frontload but for the EQ it makes sense. I like you are dropping the EQ two weeks prior to ending the prop. I would run this cycle to at least 12 weeks, I like EQ for no less than 10 weeks at a time. It is fairly mild and needs some duration. To really amplify this cycle add some winny for the last half, even just a low dose of around 10mg/day.
 
Why are you using prop? Why not a long ester and save yourself from all the damn injections?

test is test
 
how much front loading you guyys talking about on the eq?
prop 100mg eod wk 1-12
eq 400mg wk 1-10
arimidex .5mg e3d

week 5-6
hcg 1000 iu mwf

pct
18 days after last eq injection
2000iu 3x mwf
nolva 40 mg ed 1 week

nolva 20 mg 5 weeks

week 6-7
arimidex .5 mg e3d

that look a little better?i dont want to use long acting ester because i have never used a test before and if the sides become unbearable for me i would like the option to stop it.also about the winny?how bad is it on the hairline and acne?
 
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you dont sound like you read the PCT protocol on ology by SWALE

go there. read it. come back. things will be made clear, including rationale for hcg dose.

cheers
 
GoldenDelicious said:
you dont sound like you read the PCT protocol on ology by SWALE

go there. read it. come back. things will be made clear, including rationale for hcg dose.

cheers
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i copied the post form there right above..couple posts(i nay have read someone elses)
 
illgive it a read....but i havnt heard anybody else that does it all the way thoruhg though...but ill look thanks
 
i see he is a doctor that treats trt patients and subscribes hcg....i appreciate the link i just interested in what everyone else thinks...thanks for helping
 
guards said:
Why are you using prop? Why not a long ester and save yourself from all the damn injections?

test is test
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In and out faster. LOL, I've been watching too many damn pornos lately.
 
OK lets talk about prop vs. long ester. Prop will clear faster. However it will also tend to have somewhat larger spikes and troughs in blood levels. This can aggravate sides. You will counter this by injecting EOD. Now with a long ester, you can still get significant variation in blood levels but not the same degree as prop. For minimal blood level variation you should still inject twice a week or so. My point being, some people have worse sides with prop because of the sharper variations in blood levels.

So if it was me I would go with the long ester to coincide with the EQ. That way you could inject them together twice a week. The other consideration is at the end of the cycle, while you are waiting for the long esters to clear, the HCG will significantly raise your T levels. So you may find it is sufficient during that period rather than the prop. However (like prop) it is also prone to spikes that can aggravate sides. I would not use prop together with the HCG at the end of the cycle, prior to PCT, because blood levels would probably be all over the place. For instance: last shots of EQ/enanthate week 10, HCG weeks 11-12, running winny through week 12. Then jump on the clomid/nolva.

Why do I like a little winny with this cycle? Even as little as 10mg/day? Because it will sharply increase the effectiveness of the T by reducing SHBG. So more free T = better gains. However, more free T = more potential for hair loss, estrogen related sides as well. Myself I am not prone to MPB. But I must run a good anti-a (adex, letro, etc) with every T cycle.
 
thanks for the information....what you think of the british dragon winny tabs?and how much front loaded eq would you say?and i am not using clomid for pct...just hcg and nolva....and i thought you dont start pct till after the eq has left the body
 
Regarding PCT, I can see how this gets a little confusing. Basically you want to run HCG just prior to PCT, during those last few weeks (11,12) when the long esters are clearing. This will restore your testicle mass so when you start running PCT therapy (with continuing nolva and/or additional clomid) everything is ready to function. If you want to run the hcg three weeks instead of two to allow more clearance time that is not a bad idea either. For PCT, personally I believe clomid is the more effective agent over nolva, however that is certainly debatable. Popular protocol runs them both together at 50mg clomid 20mg nolva. To minimize sides with clomid do not run the frontload of 300mg and 100mg per day, or whatever it is. A steady 50mg of clomid with the nolva will suit you fine. Or stick with your plan and just run the nolva and you will find out for yourself, if it is all you need.

Now on the frontload, with a long ester, about twice the normal dosage your first shot. However, let me correct myself here, for newbies I do not recommend it, just let the drugs build up slowly until you know how your body reacts.
 
ok so ill start hcg week 11 -13 (can i ask why you say you shouldnt wait till the last shot of prop and the eq has left my system?i dont quite understand that)
but should i start nolvadex since its taking cloimids place that soon?i thought i should wait till the eq and prop is out of my system because i was gonna take 40 or 60 mg first week followed by 20 for the next 5 weeks.....also about the hair loss issue......nobody in my family is going bald...i have a real thick head of hair....but im gonna add this winny in from week 7-12 and i want to have some on hand incase something happens.....what si the best product to use for this?that would go witht he eq prop winny?

so heres my cycle now
prop 100mg eod 1-12
eq 400mg ew 1-10
arimidex .5mg eod 1-10
hcg 2000iu m/w/f 5-6
winny 10mg ed 7-12
hcg 2000iu m/w/f 11-13
nolvadex 40mg what week to start?
nolvadex 20mg 5 more weeks
arimidex 2 weeks after pct is done incase of rebound .5mg eod
 
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HAYEZ said:
so heres my cycle now
prop 100mg eod 1-12
eq 400mg ew 1-10
arimidex .5mg eod 1-10
hcg 2000iu m/w/f 5-6
winny 10mg ed 7-12
hcg 2000iu m/w/f 11-13
nolvadex 40mg what week to start?
nolvadex 20mg 5 more weeks
arimidex 2 weeks after pct is done incase of rebound .5mg eod
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Save yourself the misery and get a longer acting test ester!!!!!!!!!
 
I would run the adex until you are done with the hcg. so adex weeks 1-13. after that, the nolva should keep you safe from any e related sides and rebound during PCT. I would lower your hcg to 500iu/per shot, then only if that seems ineffective, increase the dose slowly by 250iu.

after hcg is done quit the adex, too as some estrogen rebalancing is critical to recovery and adex may hinder this process. I would run the nolva at 40/day tapered over the 4-6 weeks down to 20 then off.

generally you do not want to use hcg after AAS have cleared because it will keep you suppressed - hcg does not stimulate LH release it just acts as a LH replacement, the high T levels resulting from hcg stimulation will keep LH release suppressed. therefore it is used to prepare for PCT while AAS are still keeping you suppressed anyway. although if you are having recovery problems it can be used in short bursts, to further stimulate and activate the testes if they seem somewhat unresponsive to LH levels.

otherwise I would favor the long ester vs. the prop as guards is saying
 
look down below for my updated cycle i am gonna do
 
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also i dont have any hair loss in my family but i want to puck up some stuff to have on hand anyway...
about hair loss....this is all i know is these three products
Minoxidil
nizoral 2% shampoo
Topical Spiro

what would you guys suggest using?what amounts ?and where do i get topical spiro and nizoral 2%?i know minoxil i can get at the drug store but what about the other 2?im not asking for a source if they are considered illegal
 
ok i am gonna take everyones advice and use enanth...but what should i do.just do 250 a week?split into 2 injections?125 each one?eq 400 week split that into 2 also?
goign to be using qv enan and qv eq can i just combine both injections into 1 needle and inject or do i have to do seperate injections?

enan 250 1-10
eq 400mg ew 1-10
arimidex .5mg eod 1-11
hcg 500iu m/w/f 5-6

hcg 500 iu m/w/f 10-11
pct start week 12
nolvadex
60mg 7days, 40mg 10days, 20mg 25 days
arimidex for 2 weeks after pct is done incase of rebound .5mg eod

b5 tske 3 grams a day ist week
2 grams second week...500 mg maintenece daily
 
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enanth 500/week, and yes, do them both at once (mix in one inj) twice/wk

don't forget the winny 7-12, just drink it

run hcg 11-12, week 10 is too soon you are still injecting long esters. two weeks should be sufficient but if balls are not back after week 12, run hcg another week yet, then jump into PCT

the adex is a waste after pct

now get on with your cycle already
 
ok so
enan 500 1-10
eq 400mg ew 1-10
winny 10mg 7-12
arimidex .5mg eod 1-12
hcg 500iu m/w/f 5-6

hcg 500 iu m/w/f 11-12
pct start week 13
nolvadex
60mg 7days, 40mg 10days, 20mg 25 days


b5 tske 3 grams a day ist week
2 grams second week...500 mg maintenece daily
ok and also up above with my question on the hair products...here it is again>>>>>>>>>>>>
Minoxidil
nizoral 2% shampoo
Topical Spiro

what would you suggest using?what amounts ?and where do i get topical spiro and nizoral 2%?i know minoxil i can get at the drug store but what about the other 2?are they perscription only ?thanks for all the help giving ya karma now!!!!!!and yes my cycle is ready to go now...no more questions besides do i have to worry about progesterone with this cycle?i know winny has something to do with it but i cant seem to find any info on it
 
HAYEZ said:
ok so
enan 500 1-10
eq 400mg ew 1-10
winny 10mg 7-12
arimidex .5mg eod 1-12
hcg 500iu m/w/f 5-6

hcg 500 iu m/w/f 11-12
pct start week 13
nolvadex
60mg 7days, 40mg 10days, 20mg 25 days
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I LIKE it:)
 
lololol...well now i may be able to quit flooding the boards with my questions....lol...hope to see some good gains
 
whoever said trenbolone acetate, did you forget the part about least sides? lol.
 
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