T3 and Clen cycle

[enlightenment]

Is is this T3/Clen cycle good and safe enough?? What results do I expect with the t3 and clen alone.

will t3 at this dose shut down the thyroid? This is my main question. I don't want to risk shut down at all costs. If you have a better and safer t3 and clen cycle, please post it.

statis 176lbs 15% bf 5'7 29 years old

 

[muskate]

There are much better alternatives to clen and T3. The problem with clen and T3 is that they simply raise metabolism. They don't differentiate between muscle or fat. You will loose a combination of fat and muscle when supplementing with them. Not only that, T3 supplementation can cause permanent thyroid suppression. Clenbuterol's stimulant nature also causes a lot of users to get insomnia.

I have an article on alternatives here: http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...buterol-muskate-(trevor-kouritzin)-41188.html

The cliff notes of there article are: Cardarine GW stacked with n2slin is going to be your best option.
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Need2Slin-p50.html
http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/
Cardarine is drug that binds to the PPAR receptor and is non-hormonal. Cardarine increases the expression of genes involved in the expenditure of energy, stimulates glucose uptake in skeletal muscle tissue and burns fat by stimulating fatty acid oxidation.
N2slin is a non-stimulant fat burner and powerful nutrient partitioner. It increases insulin sensitivity of muscle cells and helps partition the food you eat into muscle cells and away from fat cells.
Take 20mg of cardarine gw per day. 10mg AM 10mg PM
Take 2 tablets N2slin 30 minutes before each meal you eat that contains a significant amount of carbohydrates.

Both are stimulant free and non-hormonal. You need to be careful with all these stimulant based fat burners. Overdoing it on the stimulants will greatly increase cortisol levels and lead to adrenal fatigue. Counterproductive to any fat loss or muscle building goals.

 

[enlightenment]

There are much better alternatives to clen and T3. The problem with clen and T3 is that they simply raise metabolism. They don't differentiate between muscle or fat. You will loose a combination of fat and muscle when supplementing with them. Not only that, T3 supplementation can cause permanent thyroid suppression. Clenbuterol's stimulant nature also causes a lot of users to get insomnia.

I have an article on alternatives here: http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...buterol-muskate-(trevor-kouritzin)-41188.html

The cliff notes of there article are: Cardarine GW stacked with n2slin is going to be your best option.
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Need2Slin-p50.html
http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/
Cardarine is drug that binds to the PPAR receptor and is non-hormonal. Cardarine increases the expression of genes involved in the expenditure of energy, stimulates glucose uptake in skeletal muscle tissue and burns fat by stimulating fatty acid oxidation.
N2slin is a non-stimulant fat burner and powerful nutrient partitioner. It increases insulin sensitivity of muscle cells and helps partition the food you eat into muscle cells and away from fat cells.
Take 20mg of cardarine gw per day. 10mg AM 10mg PM
Take 2 tablets N2slin 30 minutes before each meal you eat that contains a significant amount of carbohydrates.

Both are stimulant free and non-hormonal. You need to be careful with all these stimulant based fat burners. Overdoing it on the stimulants will greatly increase cortisol levels and lead to adrenal fatigue. Counterproductive to any fat loss or muscle building goals.

thank you for your advice.

the issue is, I've already purchased the clen and t3.

 

[enlightenment]

Can you or anybody confirm whether t3 will cause thyroid problems at the doses in the chart?? I want to be completely safe. I've heard if you don't abuse t3 you're safe

 

[enlightenment]

Guys, I need more information on whether t3 shuts down the thyroid. And of you there have used t3 safely??

 

[A_A_F]

Any hormone that you take, that takes the place of what your body is producing, is going to cause shutdown. It's not that complicated.

There will be shutdown, but if you keep the dosage and length of time moderate then there should not be a lot of issues. A safe way to use T3 would be no more than 75mcg daily, for 6 weeks.

I think you are going to be disappointed with the results you get from Clen and T3. An ECA Stack with a low carb diet and HIIT training would yield far better results for quick fat loss.

 

[enlightenment]

Does the body bounce back from the shutdown?? Or do you permanently get a little shut down??

is the cycle I've listed safe if I limit t3 max at 60mcg??

 

[A_A_F]

The thyroid typical bounces back quickly for most people, but at the same time everyone is different.

Without any AAS, I would not go over 50mcg of T3 daily.

If you were going to run this, a better way would be to pick up some ketotifen and run the Clen and T3 straight. Run the Clen for 2 weeks past the T3 to make up for the lag that can happen with your thyroid.

1-6 Clen 40mcg/day

1-4 T3 - 50mcg/day

1-6 Ketoifen - 2mg/day

 

[enlightenment]

Fine, I won't use t3 more than 50mcg. Could I up the dosage of clen to 80mcg??

also, can I run the 6 week cycle I originally posted with a max t3 dosage of 50mcg?? Is that safe?

id love to run your cycle, but cannot get my hands on ketotifen

so thyroid shutdown is temporary? No need to worry if I'm using doses up to 50mcg t3??

 

[A_A_F]

You can run Clen as high as you want, but the higher the dosage the more side effects you will get.. and the side effects can really suck. Also, 80mcg of Clen isn't going to be twice as effective 40mcg.

A Clen and T3 cycle is far from safe.. but if you run it right and responsible, then it can be effective without a lot to worry about.

You can pick up Ketotifen from most research chemical sites. You can also use benadryl.

Thyroid shutdown is temporary for most. There should be no need to worry about it, but I cannot say that for sure.

I would also recommend some thyroid supplements to take as soon as you are done with the T3

 

[enlightenment]

Slightly modifying the cycle you gave me.

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1-6 Clen 40mcg/day

1-4 T3 - 50mcg/day

1-6 Ketoifen - 2mg/day

Modified cycle

1-2 Clen 40-120mcg

1 T3 25 mcg
2 T3 50 mcg
3 T3 50 mcg
4 T3 25 mcg

5-6 Clen 40-120mcg


would the above cycle be completely safe?? I won't be using ketotifen

 

[A_A_F]

The cycle is not going to be completely safe.

I would not worry about bridging the T3 dosage, just start and finish with 50mcg.

 

[enlightenment]

The cycle is not going to be completely safe.

I would not worry about bridging the T3 dosage, just start and finish with 50mcg.

so tapering from 50 mcg is not required for t3??

I'm having second thoughts about t3 after you mention it not being safe. Is there any safe t3 cycle or not??

 

[Nelson Montana]

The quick answer to if it is "safe" is no. Not that you'll die, but it's not healthy. And the weight lost from T3 and clen will come right back after you stop. They're two worthless drugs for fat loss in my opinion. Besides...you're 176 pounds. Lift some weights dude.

 

[enlightenment]

Well, but it won't cause any permanent shutdown right?? From what everybody has told me, i understood my thyroid will be shut for 2 weeks and after that i'll recover.

Okay, i'll rephrase my question. What would be the safest way to do this cycle??

Or are you guys absolutely advising me against this?? I have already bought the t3 and the clen.

 

[Lev Butlerov]

First of all, this cycle is anything but safe, and I would doubt about its effectiveness. There is no doubt that you will lose weight with it, but this is not only going to be fat loss, since you will also lose lean mass due to the fact that both of these things are completely catabolic. Neither is it safe. Keep in mind that clenbuterol was never meant for fat loss, and at the dosages needed for that it can cause a lot of side effects. As for T3 - it is quite a risky thing to take, since you never know how your thyroids can react to it, and what sort of consequences are to be expected. For instance, some time ago I have seen a case of one lady, who was taking T3 for fat loss, and everything seemed to go well until she got a bad reaction to it, and had to stop taking it. Ever since she was gaining weight without control. It is a very delicate gland, so it is very easy to mess it up. Not long ago a doctor I know said that thyroid meds should never be used without proper prescription based on proper testing. Additionally, you have to constantly monitor yourself when taking it.

All in all, I think it is a horrible cutting stack. It is not safe. And the results will most probably not last you long.

It makes much more sense to use something that was at least meant for this kind of purposes. For instance, you can use either Cardarine GW, either SR9009 - none of them will cause side effects, they burn fat and yet maintain your lean mass, and apart from that they have many additional benefits. N2Slin is another supplement you can successfully use for fat loss, as it is very safe, and it is also effective.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

T3 and clen are two compounds I do not use and do not recommend. I do not mess with thyroid drugs because I wont risk the thyroid not recovering. And with clen, there are much better options that do not have the side effects. I would rather see a stack of GW and SR-9009. Those with a good diet and training routine will produce superior results without the muscle loss you would experience with clen. I would even rather see you run an EC stack before a T3 and clen stack.

 

[muskate]

so tapering from 50 mcg is not required for t3??

I'm having second thoughts about t3 after you mention it not being safe. Is there any safe t3 cycle or not??

T3 is a hormone. Using an exogenous source of any hormone will suppress your body's natural production. Your system will most likely bounce back but you will for sure experience a weight rebound when you stop the T3.

That is why competitors often 'balloon' up after their competitions and gain 20-30 pounds within 2 weeks of finishing their show.