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T-bar vs seated row
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Protobuilder
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Well, there's probably minimal difference really. The elbow position in relation to your torso is a little different. With the T-bar, unless you're using a narrow grip there too, your elbows are more out to the side, 90 degrees to the torso. In the seated cable close-grip row, your elbows are coming in tight to your sides, right? So, that's a small difference.
Also, on T-bar, although you're supported, you have to stabilize a little more.
In the end, I wouldn't think it'd matter much. Pick one, work it like mad, get stronger in a rep range, and you're good.
Have you tried bent rowing from the floor?
Also, on T-bar, although you're supported, you have to stabilize a little more.
In the end, I wouldn't think it'd matter much. Pick one, work it like mad, get stronger in a rep range, and you're good.
Have you tried bent rowing from the floor?
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The Shadow
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there is a bit of difference depending upon the angle of the upper body during the tbar rows.....ie - whether you pull into waist or more to the upper chest.
Guinness5.0
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Maybe I'm too 'set in my ways' but I can't see doing either when you can just do good ol' bent-over BB rows.
Serious question - what is the advantage of t-bar/cable over standard rows?
Serious question - what is the advantage of t-bar/cable over standard rows?
enigma4dub
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Guinness5.0 said:
There is no advantage... Oh, you weren't asking me.
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The Shadow
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Guinness5.0 said:
IMO - the hand spacing on tbars(narrow) seem to hit the actual lats more(again - depending on angle) then do standard grip rows.
Im not sure its an advantage....
BUT
I LOVE doing seated rows and pulling high upper chest level to even chin, overhand grip...really can hit rear delts and lower traps
silver_shadow
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like the Shadow said: to the waist = traps, to the upper chest makes it similar to bent over DB lateral raises which are for the rear delts.anthrax said:
Tweakle
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The loading is completely different, and the range of motion is a lot less with the Tbar unless you make like an aerobics instructor and use 10lb plates on the bar.
Think about the mechanics of the lift, the bar moves up in an arc with the resistance on the end of a long lever.
I like them a lot but they can be brutal on the back once the weights get heavy.. breaking the bar off the floor is almost as tough as deadlifting, as you need to lean back against it to stabilize.
It's more of a basic power move than the cable row.. might not burn th eback muscles as directly but will have more carryover to other lifts that require great strength in a bent over position (bb rows, deads)
Think about the mechanics of the lift, the bar moves up in an arc with the resistance on the end of a long lever.
I like them a lot but they can be brutal on the back once the weights get heavy.. breaking the bar off the floor is almost as tough as deadlifting, as you need to lean back against it to stabilize.
It's more of a basic power move than the cable row.. might not burn th eback muscles as directly but will have more carryover to other lifts that require great strength in a bent over position (bb rows, deads)
nsashbl01
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My rule was always to work the muscles on every plane. If I do bent bb rows, that is the low angle. Then I'll do a row to the chest for the 90 degree angle, then a high row or pullup for the last angle. Followed by rear delts and traps. I'll also try to switch up with either a supported back if I do deads that day. Or an unsupported back if I don't. I find if I start with deads my bent bb row isn't clean enough. So I switch to something like db rows on those days....
Extra_Strong
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i do rows Or " Pendely rows" and after that I also do then bent over with my chest on my legs like I am bent over touching my toes. and i pull the bar to my chest feel just like a pull up but kinda upside down.
i would pick seated rows over Tbar. because if i am going to stand up i will just do regular bent over rows. once in a while i will do seated just for a change. but i am a free weight man.
i would pick seated rows over Tbar. because if i am going to stand up i will just do regular bent over rows. once in a while i will do seated just for a change. but i am a free weight man.
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The Shadow
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be sure to switch hand placing between sets
bignate73
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1. all rows are good for the rhomboids, provided you get correct scapular motion. however they are a deep muscle to the middle/lower trapezius muscle. meaning...they aint on top.
2. tbars you tend to have to counterbalance and this makes people have sloppy form generally. alot of upright "yates"'ish rows/shrugs. best bet is to set your torso position so that you are pulling perpendicular in/out to whatever position on your torso you choose. I row to the top of my abs, it keeps my forearms directly in line with the line of pull, and mimics a bb row. depending on if you move the final position "touch point" of the row up or down your torso will your elbows flare or tuck. up to the chest, flare, down towards the naval, tuck.
3. Seated row is ok, but not functional. its great for practicing scapular contraction but sucks for gaining lower body stability under load. for those that say "oh I deadlift" well good for you, focus on your "back" with cables if you want. If you want to train to be more functional stick with bb rows and tbars, they will have carryover in at LEAST stability to your deadlifts and cleans/snatches. this will work your body more as a unit and give overall progress vs incremental "growth" in a very specific area.
4. basic rule of thumb, if you can learn movements and coordination, you'll progress on all levels (athletically, physically). The more you specify, the more steps you have to take. Seated row is great for a beginner to learn to row with correct form, then step up to the bar and learn to control your body and maintain a fixed position and row.
2. tbars you tend to have to counterbalance and this makes people have sloppy form generally. alot of upright "yates"'ish rows/shrugs. best bet is to set your torso position so that you are pulling perpendicular in/out to whatever position on your torso you choose. I row to the top of my abs, it keeps my forearms directly in line with the line of pull, and mimics a bb row. depending on if you move the final position "touch point" of the row up or down your torso will your elbows flare or tuck. up to the chest, flare, down towards the naval, tuck.
3. Seated row is ok, but not functional. its great for practicing scapular contraction but sucks for gaining lower body stability under load. for those that say "oh I deadlift" well good for you, focus on your "back" with cables if you want. If you want to train to be more functional stick with bb rows and tbars, they will have carryover in at LEAST stability to your deadlifts and cleans/snatches. this will work your body more as a unit and give overall progress vs incremental "growth" in a very specific area.
4. basic rule of thumb, if you can learn movements and coordination, you'll progress on all levels (athletically, physically). The more you specify, the more steps you have to take. Seated row is great for a beginner to learn to row with correct form, then step up to the bar and learn to control your body and maintain a fixed position and row.
Protobuilder
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bignate73 said:
Great points, IMO. At this point, I'm only doing one movement that requires me to touch a pad (bench press). Everything else is standing, bending, squatting, etc. and I think I'm healthier & stronger for it.
I'd give K but I think I have to bomb people first or something weird. LoL
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