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Sustanon Only Cycle

Sylar.

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Hi guys, great forum.

I'm just finishing up on research before I start my first cycle. I was going to stack Anabol with Sus for 10 weeks:

Weeks 1-2: 40mg Anabol ED, 500mg Sustanon Weekly
Weeks 3-6: 20mg Anabol ED, 500mg Sustanon Weekly
Weeks 7-10: 500mg of Sustanon Weekly

I've changed my mind now and would like to run Sus on it's own. This is the PCT I had set up for the above cycle:

30 day PCT, starting 7-10 after last shot.

Day 1: 200mg Clomid, 40mg Nolvadex
Day 2-7: 100mg Clomid, 20mg Nolvadex
Day 8-30: 50mg Clomid, 20mg Nolvadex

How much should I alter this for a 10 week Sus only cycle? Any help greatly appreciated.

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*STATS*

Age: 24
Ht: 5"9
Wt: 175 lb
BF%: ~14

Just started back training 4 weeks ago after 16 months off. I'm planning on running the cycle in 4 weeks time.

Supplements currently taking:

Reflex Creapure Creatine
Reflex Whey Protein
Diesel Test Hardcore

PS. I'm not interested in any flaming. If you haven't got any real contribution to add, keep it shut.

PPS. Don't mean to be defensive, but sick of dealing with rude arseholes who considering themselves to be some kind of God behind a keyboard..

Cheers.
 
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i hope you mean 500 of sus total per week. if so, then it is okay (250 is usually enough for a first cycle to see monster gains). your pct needs work--look at the stickies at the top of the forum by Nelson Montana and Primordial Performance.

i would rather you wait a few years and get a few more years of natural growth under your belt.

oh, and with 16 months off, i am concerned that your connective tissue is weakened and the gains from gear may be too much too soon--meaning tears/strains/other crappy soft tissue injuries that never really heal.
 
i hope you mean 500 of sus total per week. if so, then it is okay (250 is usually enough for a first cycle to see monster gains). your pct needs work--look at the stickies at the top of the forum by Nelson Montana and Primordial Performance.

Yeah, it's 2x 250 per week mate.

I know my PCT needs altering, that's why I'm asking for suggestions. I've read through the stickes but can't find a definitive answer that suits my needs.

What PCT would you recommend, eddymerckx?http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/members/eddymerckx.html
 
Yeah, it's 2x 250 per week mate.

I know my PCT needs altering, that's why I'm asking for suggestions. I've read through the stickes but can't find a definitive answer that suits my needs.

What PCT would you recommend, eddymerckx?http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/members/eddymerckx.html


FYI, Bi-weekly means every two weeks, not twice per week.


I'd go 250 every 5 days. That is more than plenty for a first cycle and sustanon is strong shit(just like any test). Good choice. Safe choice, and testosterone is powerful stuff. You'll love it!

Since you've only been training for 4 weeks I'd really wait at very least 12 months before you cycle because giving your body insane strength off the bat is not going to be nice to your joints at all. You'll end up getting injured. You need to get your body built up naturally with a solid foundation before you cycle. Make sure you get in your squats and your deadlifts, and your body will get plenty huge the next 12 months. I'd dare say you could put on 20-25 solid pounds naturally in that time. I put on 15 pounds in 8 weeks when I started lifting. Then, a cycle on top of that would put you in the 205+ pound lean range and you'd be looking great.
 
Thanks for the advice, dabuffguy. I'm going to start the cycle in another 4 weeks though. That will have been 8 weeks since I started back training, doing 90 minute full body workouts EOD.

Would you suggest running a AI such as Letrozole with the Sus? I REALLY don't want to get gyno, but it's going to cost me a bomb to use .25mg of Letrozole ED for 10 weeks! Are there cheaper alternatives?
 
Thanks for the advice, dabuffguy. I'm going to start the cycle in another 4 weeks though. That will have been 8 weeks since I started back training, doing 90 minute full body workouts EOD.

Would you suggest running a AI such as Letrozole with the Sus? I REALLY don't want to get gyno, but it's going to cost me a bomb to use .25mg of Letrozole ED for 10 weeks! Are there cheaper alternatives?

8 weeks and then cycling is not near enough time, my good bro. But, do as you please. When your get injured, don't say we didn't warn you.
 
no need for letro unless you are prone to bloat and gyno.
letro is way to strong
get some arimedex and use .5mg EOD only if u need it...

u should really push your body as far as it can go naturally b4 u start gear. if you do this then your body will def respond better.
bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint and patience is a virtue
 
FYI, Bi-weekly means every two weeks, not twice per week.


I'd go 250 every 5 days. That is more than plenty for a first cycle and sustanon is strong shit(just like any test). Good choice. Safe choice, and testosterone is powerful stuff. You'll love it!

Since you've only been training for 4 weeks I'd really wait at very least 12 months before you cycle because giving your body insane strength off the bat is not going to be nice to your joints at all. You'll end up getting injured. You need to get your body built up naturally with a solid foundation before you cycle. Make sure you get in your squats and your deadlifts, and your body will get plenty huge the next 12 months. I'd dare say you could put on 20-25 solid pounds naturally in that time. I put on 15 pounds in 8 weeks when I started lifting. Then, a cycle on top of that would put you in the 205+ pound lean range and you'd be looking great.

+1 --very good advice
 
no need for letro unless you are prone to bloat and gyno.
letro is way to strong
get some arimedex and use .5mg EOD only if u need it...

I've read that .25 ED of Letro when on a cycle is just fine. I don't know whether I'm prone to gyno yet because this will be my first cycle, however i'm not going to stick my hand in the fire to see if it burns first..

Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.
FULL ARTICLE:

SERM – Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
AI – Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI’s prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in Letro.

Letro and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.
 
Yes that is the correct way to administer Letro. However , IMO it is not a good or a wise choice to use Femara as an AI on cycle. As you can see from the article, it can reduce estrogen by as much as 98% on a dose as low as .25mg. This can lead to sexual disfunction, dry joints & decreased immune function. On a cycle as you propose, there is little or no reason to run a SERM or an AI unless estrogen sides become an issue. Then just bring in some arimidex @ .5mg ED or EOD until the problems subside.
 
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