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Sust250 only Cycle?

swordfish151

swordfish151

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Would anyone just do a Sust250 cycle if just starting out??? i was considering doing sust/eq for my first cycle but have read that maybe i should just do the sust250 first being i have never done aas...what anti's with this cycle...thinking of doing it for 10-12 wks...nolvadex during? how much? and clomid 3 wks after injection how much? thanks bros!
26 yrs old
5'6
18%BF
(currently on Clen for 8 wks to get BF down)
 
My first ever cycle was a sust 250 cycle. My cousin had given me a 10 ml bottle and I had never researched anything on AAS. I did one shot a week of 1 mil for bout 10 weeks. I gained about 15 lbs without any change in diet or workout plan. However, I had no knowledge of PCT or anti e's and in the end, i lost everything i had gained, plus a huge drop in libido that lasted quite a while.
This year, I did a sust/deca/winny cycle after researching for a whole year. I used 20 mg nolva e3d and had hcg/clomid/nolva for pct (ran hcg last 20 days of cycle). i did a WHOLE lot better the 2nd time around.
Anyway, sorry to be so long winded, but, to answer your question, I think you can make good gains on sust only, but you need have your anti e's and pct ready because that's what's going to help you hold onto your gains. Nolva works great and if you read around, people have varying opinions on how often and how much you should use it (if at all) during your cycle. I think PCT is the most important. See DR jmw's pct on the recovery sticky and it will tell you everything you need to know about how to run a proper PCT.
Hope that helps.
 
Do this:

wk 1-10 sus 250mg EW
wk 1-15 nolvadex 20mg ED
wk 11-12 hcg 1000i.u. E3D
wk 11-15 clomid 50mg ED
 
AMGETR said:
Do this:

wk 1-10 sus 250mg EW
wk 1-15 nolvadex 20mg ED
wk 11-12 hcg 1000i.u. E3D
wk 11-15 clomid 50mg ED
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Except change the clomid from beginning at week 11 to week 12, give 2 weeks after last test shot.
BC
 
250-500 mg wk for a first cycle should give you decent gains. Nolva 20mg ed, clomid 2 weeks after last shot. Make sure you clean up your diet.
 
I was thinking about 500mgs every week? or is this too much for a newbie? if i were to do 500mgs i would inject e3d? or e4d? or do you guys think that 250mgs would be a good start...i have cleaned up my diet and started doing cardio 3x a/wk...plus the clen...just started on that on my 3 day at 60mcgs not feeling the sides just yet...but what do you guys think? im going to start when i get down to at least 14-15% BF, wich with much determination, sweat and pain i will get in 4 months...looking at mid January.
 
500mg is too much for someone that doesn't know how their body will react to testosterone alone.
 
yeah i think i will start with 250mgs, so if i inject on monday i wouldnt inject till the following monday?? right or is there a pattern i should follow??? can it be run for 12 wks or is it overkill and should stay at 10 wks?
 
I have yet to use test alone, but am wondering how many people here have used test for the purpose of losing fat opposed to Winny, anavar, etc...
 
I did 250 mg of Sust e4d for 10 wks for my first cycle. The reason I did it e4d is because of the short acting esters, If I left it to 5 days I started to get the odd zit. Have Nolva on hand in case you get Gyno which is unlikely due to the low dose. Have either HCG and Nolva for PCT or Clomid and Nolva. Its up to you.
 
Clean said:
I have yet to use test alone, but am wondering how many people here have used test for the purpose of losing fat opposed to Winny, anavar, etc...
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You can use test to loose fat, You wont see your results until your cycle finnishes but you can use it.
 
I did omnadren(same as sust) 500mg/wk for my first cycle,worked out great,just have nolva on hand, I needed it with sust for some reason,havent really needed it on cycle since, and hcg and nolva for pct,or clomid if thats what you want
 
what size needle?? so nolvadex is a must on sust and the clomid 3 wks after last injection...anything else i should now about sust? i have read the profile, but after im done with that cycle time on = time off correct if i wanted to run something else? if your running nolva while on test why would you use it for pct? shouldnt you use the clomid 3 wks after injection?
 
When you finnish your cycle your time off starts after youve finnished your PCT, So it will be 16 or 17 weeks from your first inject.
 
evander1972 said:
I did 250 mg of Sust e4d for 10 wks for my first cycle. The reason I did it e4d is because of the short acting esters, If I left it to 5 days I started to get the odd zit. Have Nolva on hand in case you get Gyno which is unlikely due to the low dose. Have either HCG and Nolva for PCT or Clomid and Nolva. Its up to you.
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wouldnt that be 500mgs a wk?
 
first cycle only should be test only ..suston is a poor choice due to controlling the short esters..if you didnt buy your gear i would loo inot getting some test enanthate..500mg/wk should yield very good results with proper diet/training..mon.thurs injects will keep blood levels stable moreso than sust..

from reading your posts you need to leanr more about running the proper pct..there is a separate forum dedicated to just that..read it first..have nolva on hand in case of itchy nips
 
wnt2bBeast said:
first cycle only should be test only ..suston is a poor choice due to controlling the short esters..if you didnt buy your gear i would loo inot getting some test enanthate..500mg/wk should yield very good results with proper diet/training..mon.thurs injects will keep blood levels stable moreso than sust..

from reading your posts you need to leanr more about running the proper pct..there is a separate forum dedicated to just that..read it first..have nolva on hand in case of itchy nips
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Good point! Test ent or cyp is much better for 1st cycle.

Good luck!
 
I think sust 250 in an excellent test. I know what all the scientific data says about blood levels but almost everyone I know would prefer to use it over enanthate. A lot of guys are doing really well off of Syrus Advanced Testanon also. 300mg/ml, 20ml vial
200mg Test Cyp + 100mg Test Prop per ml. Wicked stuff.
 
KA-BAR said:
I think sust 250 in an excellent test. I know what all the scientific data says about blood levels but almost everyone I know would prefer to use it over enanthate. A lot of guys are doing really well off of Syrus Advanced Testanon also. 300mg/ml, 20ml vial
200mg Test Cyp + 100mg Test Prop per ml. Wicked stuff.
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why sust over enanth?
 
wnt2bBeast said:
why sust over enanth?
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Good question! I can understand that perhaps in athletic competitions some may wish for a more "immediate effect" from short esters. As for me, I love Sust but won't hesistate to replace it with Ent or Cyp. I like the duration of the long acting esters much better than the mild immediate effects Sust offers.
 
swordfish151 said:
Would anyone just do a Sust250 cycle if just starting out??? i was considering doing sust/eq for my first cycle but have read that maybe i should just do the sust250 first being i have never done aas...what anti's with this cycle...thinking of doing it for 10-12 wks...nolvadex during? how much? and clomid 3 wks after injection how much? thanks bros!
26 yrs old
5'6
18%BF
(currently on Clen for 8 wks to get BF down)
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Would not do sust alone with your stats. If I had a choice I would do a Var cycle first around, gain some quality muscle while lean out more, no need for water retention to make you look softer then what you already are (no offense). 250mg of sust a week would not be my choice in your situation. Cycle your clen wisely, Add some var and 100mg prop eod. To keep any water off from the prop add .5mg of Armidex eod.

So:
Var 25mg ed
100mg prop eod
.5mg Armidex eod or other anti E to keep any possible water off.
Clen
 
YES!!!!!! finally!!!! people are starting to go for lower doses!!!!

hiya. pharmacist. sust is absolutely fine. and is advantageous over a strictly long acting ester since the short acting esters in the sust mix will serve to boost test levels straight away

lets use some common sense, guys. sustanon is called sustanon because it leads to a fairly SUSTAINED blood level of testosterone. sustanon is used for hormone replacement, and since the body makes testosterone fairly evenly day to day, the guys who formulated sustanon would have made their product in such a way (by mixing different amounts of the 4 test esters) to give a testosterone/blood profile that would mimic normal, natural test levels as closely as possible.

its a good product. id use it, especially since you can get it straight out of a pharmacy, as opposed to most of the guys using other test products, which are generally made by a bunch of bozos in some backyard lab. or at least, separated in such a lab. or should i say...kitchen.

there are lots of people who have made excellent gains off a first cycle of sustanon 250...look around the various muscle boards and you will see that the gains arent that much different from the guys running 500mg and over, even with other drugs...then when you think that thins like estrogen related side effects (particularly salt and fluid retention) are going to be worse on higher doses, those people that gained more weight on 500+ mg of testosterone stand a good chance of just having gained a lot more water than the guys using 250mg...meaning that the difference in lean muscle mass gained between the two patient groups is even smaller

if youre going to use, its best to see a doctor. as per the above regime, i think HCG should be used according the protocol issued by SWALE, which is 250-500IU bi weekly for the duration of the cycle, up until the last dose of actual steroid. also, it would be advantageous to use a low dose of arimidex or similar, and to have your PCT drugs on hand in case of gyno symptoms, as well as use for PCT 2 or so weeks after the last cycle

read a bit more, and do yourself a favour - DO NOT listen to the people who advocate higher doses. there is NO NEED for more drugs, you still get great results, but that simple fact is being washed away in the tide of people who decide to take a big dose "just to make sure" they get gains.

good luck.

oh and get blood tests before you start.

cheers
 
GoldenDelicious said:
YES!!!!!! finally!!!! people are starting to go for lower doses!!!!

hiya. pharmacist. sust is absolutely fine. and is advantageous over a strictly long acting ester since the short acting esters in the sust mix will serve to boost test levels straight away

lets use some common sense, guys. sustanon is called sustanon because it leads to a fairly SUSTAINED blood level of testosterone. sustanon is used for hormone replacement, and since the body makes testosterone fairly evenly day to day, the guys who formulated sustanon would have made their product in such a way (by mixing different amounts of the 4 test esters) to give a testosterone/blood profile that would mimic normal, natural test levels as closely as possible.

its a good product. id use it, especially since you can get it straight out of a pharmacy, as opposed to most of the guys using other test products, which are generally made by a bunch of bozos in some backyard lab. or at least, separated in such a lab. or should i say...kitchen.

there are lots of people who have made excellent gains off a first cycle of sustanon 250...look around the various muscle boards and you will see that the gains arent that much different from the guys running 500mg and over, even with other drugs...then when you think that thins like estrogen related side effects (particularly salt and fluid retention) are going to be worse on higher doses, those people that gained more weight on 500+ mg of testosterone stand a good chance of just having gained a lot more water than the guys using 250mg...meaning that the difference in lean muscle mass gained between the two patient groups is even smaller

if youre going to use, its best to see a doctor. as per the above regime, i think HCG should be used according the protocol issued by SWALE, which is 250-500IU bi weekly for the duration of the cycle, up until the last dose of actual steroid. also, it would be advantageous to use a low dose of arimidex or similar, and to have your PCT drugs on hand in case of gyno symptoms, as well as use for PCT 2 or so weeks after the last cycle

read a bit more, and do yourself a favour - DO NOT listen to the people who advocate higher doses. there is NO NEED for more drugs, you still get great results, but that simple fact is being washed away in the tide of people who decide to take a big dose "just to make sure" they get gains.

good luck.

oh and get blood tests before you start.

cheers
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good advice!!! im planning on getting my BF down before i hit sust250...like i said hopefully mid january....still a little unclear on the PCT though.
 
swordfish151 said:
good advice!!! im planning on getting my BF down before i hit sust250...like i said hopefully mid january....still a little unclear on the PCT though.
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lol you cheeky thing, how would YOU know if its good advice? ;)

anyway take a look at swales hcg and pct protocol. youll find it quite quickly (lol i dont know where it is, and i hate the search function) its fairly clear over on steroid.ology.com in the anabolic section (since he posts there) (minus the . between the d and the o)...and i think it has been reproduced in this forum...take a look

cheers
 
why one shot of sust per week?..your basically throwing out the short ester..this makes no sense which is why your better off runing enanth..would you inject prop once per week or even 2 times per week for that matter?
 
wnt2bBeast said:
why one shot of sust per week?..your basically throwing out the short ester..this makes no sense which is why your better off runing enanth..would you inject prop once per week or even 2 times per week for that matter?
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My first cycle was actually just three sustanon250..Did one a week, and 40mg oral winny ed.. Just a 4week'er

This transformed my body... Got fantastic results..
 
wnt2bBeast said:
why one shot of sust per week?..your basically throwing out the short ester..this makes no sense which is why your better off runing enanth..would you inject prop once per week or even 2 times per week for that matter?
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with enanth, would that allow me to do one shot per wk? so in other words doing the sust250 i would have to do it 2 a/wk wich would bring me to 500mgs right?
 
wnt2bBeast said:
why one shot of sust per week?..your basically throwing out the short ester..this makes no sense which is why your better off runing enanth..would you inject prop once per week or even 2 times per week for that matter?
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not really. if you take a look at the concentration of testosterone in the blood over time after a shot of sustanon, you will find that the curve actually resembles that of a really really long test ester, except that it shoots right up to a decent concentration right after the shot, rather than the days/weeks you would normally have to wait with a long acting test ester

a lot of the "waste the short ester" stuff you read is complete bullshit. really.

from reading the literature, the way to describe your blood levels of test after a shot of sustanon is that they rise to a maximum level about a day after the dose, gradually decreasing to baseline over a period of 2 weeks. (i did read this ages ago, but im 100% that this is the way it goes)

dig it up and take a look for yourself

cheers
 
GoldenDelicious said:
not really. if you take a look at the concentration of testosterone in the blood over time after a shot of sustanon, you will find that the curve actually resembles that of a really really long test ester, except that it shoots right up to a decent concentration right after the shot, rather than the days/weeks you would normally have to wait with a long acting test ester

a lot of the "waste the short ester" stuff you read is complete bullshit. really.

from reading the literature, the way to describe your blood levels of test after a shot of sustanon is that they rise to a maximum level about a day after the dose, gradually decreasing to baseline over a period of 2 weeks. (i did read this ages ago, but im 100% that this is the way it goes)

dig it up and take a look for yourself

cheers
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So...it would be ok to do one shot of sust250 a wk, meaning shoot every monday? right? so many different answers, but we are all diferent with different body types...
 
now im debating taking just test enth. is 250 mgs of the enth enough for a beginner? as far as PCT goes, i read on the PCT board, that nolva should be taken 3 wks after last shot for a month days 1-14 40mg ED, 15-30 20mg ed, and i should take 10-20mgs during the cycle, every day..is this correct? is there no need for clomid?
 
swordfish151 said:
now im debating taking just test enth. is 250 mgs of the enth enough for a beginner? as far as PCT goes, i read on the PCT board, that nolva should be taken 3 wks after last shot for a month days 1-14 40mg ED, 15-30 20mg ed, and i should take 10-20mgs during the cycle, every day..is this correct? is there no need for clomid?
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Sus works, talk to anyone who has used it and they will tell you the same. Personally, for a newbie i would say go with Enan or Cyp at a lower dosage (250-300/week). Do yourself a favor and get that BF to under 15% before you start. You can thank me later. I wouldn't advise taking nolva during the cycle unless you need it. Yes there is a need for Clomid, go to the PCT forum and read Jenetic's PCT theorum.
 
SuperDawgy said:
Sus works, talk to anyone who has used it and they will tell you the same. Personally, for a newbie i would say go with Enan or Cyp at a lower dosage (250-300/week). Do yourself a favor and get that BF to under 15% before you start. You can thank me later. I wouldn't advise taking nolva during the cycle unless you need it. Yes there is a need for Clomid, go to the PCT forum and read Jenetic's PCT theorum.
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I read that clomid should be done 3 wks after the last shot 300mg 1st day, 100mg next 10 days, 50mg the next following days...should nolva and clomid be taken together as PCT or can you use either or? i read that running both is not necessary?
 
swordfish151 said:
I read that clomid should be done 3 wks after the last shot 300mg 1st day, 100mg next 10 days, 50mg the next following days...should nolva and clomid be taken together as PCT or can you use either or? i read that running both is not necessary?
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There are differing opinions on this. Please visit the PCT forum and view drjmw's and jenetic's threads. They clearly list which product to take and when for your PCT regimen. Personally, I follow these PCT recommendations.

Good luck!
 
For me i had better weight gain and it just seemed like it worked little better. Most of the guys i know prefer it over enan. This debate has been on here a million times. Test is test but If you put a karachi's sust in front of me or a BM testen 250 in front of me I would go for the sust.


wnt2bBeast said:
why sust over enanth?
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swordfish151 said:
I read that clomid should be done 3 wks after the last shot 300mg 1st day, 100mg next 10 days, 50mg the next following days...should nolva and clomid be taken together as PCT or can you use either or? i read that running both is not necessary?
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Some people use both together, not sure why but they do. Are you considering HCG? I would recommend it if you plan on going 10 weeks or more. And yes that Clo schedule looks ok. One more thing, i would keep some nolva on hand during the cycle in case you get itchy nips.
 
there is no need to use both together. a working dose of one is fine
test levels reach the lower end of natural test levels, so the timing depends on how much test you have taken
i dont see the need for enth, and there is a disadvantage in enth early in the cycle. sus really is the best one
you dont take nolva or clomid during cycle unless you have symptoms of gyno or something

keep reading, there are a few things you dont understand yet
 
GoldenDelicious said:
there is no need to use both together. a working dose of one is fine
test levels reach the lower end of natural test levels, so the timing depends on how much test you have taken
i dont see the need for enth, and there is a disadvantage in enth early in the cycle. sus really is the best one
you dont take nolva or clomid during cycle unless you have symptoms of gyno or something

keep reading, there are a few things you dont understand yet
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ok this is what i believe i understand...i want to do sust at 250mgs a wk (newbie to aas) keep nolvadex on hand in case of gyno (recommended by PCT forum 40mgs if necessary until symptoms leave) PCT would be clomid 3 wks after last shot and done for three wks 1st day 300mg, the following 10 days 100mg, and the following 10 days 50mg...is this correct? :worried:
 
SuperDawgy said:
Not sure if i agree with this one?. What do you see is the disadvantage?
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i understand what GD means..hes saying that it takes afew weeks (3-5) for you to feel the test kick in with enanthate..which is true because its a long ester whereas sust has 30mg or prop and 60mg of phenylprop
 
wnt2bBeast said:
i understand what GD means..hes saying that it takes afew weeks (3-5) for you to feel the test kick in with enanthate..which is true because its a long ester whereas sust has 30mg or prop and 60mg of phenylprop
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yes. the sust will cause a rapid rise in test levels that you wont see in the case of the single long ester
 
swordfish151 said:
ok this is what i believe i understand...i want to do sust at 250mgs a wk (newbie to aas) keep nolvadex on hand in case of gyno (recommended by PCT forum 40mgs if necessary until symptoms leave) PCT would be clomid 3 wks after last shot and done for three wks 1st day 300mg, the following 10 days 100mg, and the following 10 days 50mg...is this correct? :worried:
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soudns about right. i havnt checked the dosages, but the timeframe is about right, and the tapering of the serm is also a good thing.

dont forget the arimidex, hcg and all that though

cheers
 
Sus250 sucks. Its just not enough of each type of test in there, you'll need to take a lot of it just to get them at a good enough range. Ent or cyp does work better from personal experience bro. Some prop to start off with as you get ent or cyp going works fine too.

Might I suggest you drop your body fat before you even jump on a cycle bud. Get down to at least a 10-12 % range, then hit a good one. Reason is that I've seen a lot of bros GAIN fat on their first cycles. 6 weeks of dieting and then hit that test bud. Watch the estrogen.
 
This Poll seems to support what i think.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215893

enzyme said:
Sus250 sucks. Its just not enough of each type of test in there, you'll need to take a lot of it just to get them at a good enough range. Ent or cyp does work better from personal experience bro. Some prop to start off with as you get ent or cyp going works fine too.

Might I suggest you drop your body fat before you even jump on a cycle bud. Get down to at least a 10-12 % range, then hit a good one. Reason is that I've seen a lot of bros GAIN fat on their first cycles. 6 weeks of dieting and then hit that test bud. Watch the estrogen.
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Personally I would run 500mg a week or if you don't want to do that maybe run 250mg every 5 days so your getting a little more than 250mg a week. Good luck!
 
im still a novice, only done 3 cycles so far, but the 2 i did with enth (1st and 3rd) wwwwaaaayyyy bigger gains than the sust, and less pain. sust gave me a fever something terrible too... just my situation, we're all diff.
 
swordfish151 said:
ok this is what i believe i understand...i want to do sust at 250mgs a wk (newbie to aas) keep nolvadex on hand in case of gyno (recommended by PCT forum 40mgs if necessary until symptoms leave) PCT would be clomid 3 wks after last shot and done for three wks 1st day 300mg, the following 10 days 100mg, and the following 10 days 50mg...is this correct? :worried:
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Believe me, you will be fine with that. Just be sure to run some armidex with the sust. I am running a 8wk sust only cycle now @ 500 a week for the first 4 weeks and @ 250 the remaining 4 weeks + liquidex 1/2 ml a day. Of course I have Clomid for PCT. My last cycle was a 10wk sust only and I gained 13lbs and kept all of it!!!! And that was @ 500 the first 2 weeks and @ 250 the remaining 8 weeks. :)
 
this thread is a breath of fresh air, i had kind of given up on you guys ever believing that you can do very well on reasonably dosed (250/wk) testosterone

still cant believe this thread lol
 
lol golden, have faith in us NEWBIES...anyway thank you all for all the great info...im currently dieting like i have said before and just got my fat caliper in the mail..im going to hit (keep in mind i said im GOING not wanting) 13-14% BF, diet is in check..maybe need to tweek it a little and see what happens, and im currently doing cardio 3X a/wk for 30 min. Im on my second wk of clen...as far as the HCG whats the proper dosage and how often?
 
eh nothing wrong with newbies, so long as they take the time to read up on actual experiences rather than rely on 2nd/3rd/4th/100th hand knowledge

there are a few different schools of thought on how to use HCG...you get the older guys using 2000iu or more in one go and refuse to believe anything else will work, then you get some people using less, every day...hormones being funny little things, i would follow swales advice and use 250-500iu on two consecutive days per week, and keep an eye on your balls to see if they are shrinking...if they do, increase frequency

thing with hcg is that more injected doesnt mean more results...as it turns out, much of the hcg injected is actually removed by the immune system...hence, higher doses make this happen faster. use a nice low dose, and monitor your balls. dont just rely on a drug regime set in stone to get you through your cycle.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
eh nothing wrong with newbies, so long as they take the time to read up on actual experiences rather than rely on 2nd/3rd/4th/100th hand knowledge

there are a few different schools of thought on how to use HCG...you get the older guys using 2000iu or more in one go and refuse to believe anything else will work, then you get some people using less, every day...hormones being funny little things, i would follow swales advice and use 250-500iu on two consecutive days per week, and keep an eye on your balls to see if they are shrinking...if they do, increase frequency

thing with hcg is that more injected doesnt mean more results...as it turns out, much of the hcg injected is actually removed by the immune system...hence, higher doses make this happen faster. use a nice low dose, and monitor your balls. dont just rely on a drug regime set in stone to get you through your cycle.
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ok so i would do 250-500iu twice a wk right...am i reading that correctly and is that throught the whole cycle? Thanks golden...oh and you have mail...just a small question on another substance. thanx :)
 
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