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Sust & Deca ( A lousy stack ) ?

houseofpain

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I've had GREAT results in the past on Test Ethan & Dbol stacks. But this time I tried stacking two new types of AS (Sust & Deca), and the results so far have been pretty lame in terms of both weight gain or strength gains.

I started out for the first 3 weeks on 500mg Sust and 200mg Deca. I'm on my 5th week and up to 750mg Sust and 400mg Deca, and I'm in the gym 6 days a week with pretty high intensity routines. But I'm just not seeing much in the way of results other than a little increased vascularity and some minimal strength gains.

Is it possible that I just don't respond well to either one of these types of AS? Or did I just pick a two AS's that don't compliment each other well in a stack?
 
Honestly evey person that has ever used that stack has blown up like a the pillsbury do boy.. Either the sus/deca is out of date,bunk, or i may be way off but you may be overtraining.
 
I would grow just looking at those two. Something is not right here. What brands are they?
Are you otherwise having good days in the gym? What I'm getting at is if not for the steroids, would you consider yourself in a peak or valley strength wise?
 
houseofpain said:
I've had GREAT results in the past on Test Ethan & Dbol stacks. But this time I tried stacking two new types of AS (Sust & Deca), and the results so far have been pretty lame in terms of both weight gain or strength gains.

I started out for the first 3 weeks on 500mg Sust and 200mg Deca. I'm on my 5th week and up to 750mg Sust and 400mg Deca, and I'm in the gym 6 days a week with pretty high intensity routines. But I'm just not seeing much in the way of results other than a little increased vascularity and some minimal strength gains.

Is it possible that I just don't respond well to either one of these types of AS? Or did I just pick a two AS's that don't compliment each other well in a stack?
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your gear is probably fake if you dont react to a sus & deca stack
 
deca never kicked in before week 5 for me. Sust can take awhile too with it's decanoate ester.
 
houseofpain said:
I've had GREAT results in the past on Test Ethan & Dbol stacks. But this time I tried stacking two new types of AS (Sust & Deca), and the results so far have been pretty lame in terms of both weight gain or strength gains.

I started out for the first 3 weeks on 500mg Sust and 200mg Deca. I'm on my 5th week and up to 750mg Sust and 400mg Deca, and I'm in the gym 6 days a week with pretty high intensity routines. But I'm just not seeing much in the way of results other than a little increased vascularity and some minimal strength gains.

Is it possible that I just don't respond well to either one of these types of AS? Or did I just pick a two AS's
that don't compliment each other well in a stack?
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I've done this stack MANY times , it usally hits me around week 4-5. I've allways had great results. Eat BIG, drink lots of H20, get you're rest and wait a couple more weeks. Lets us know in a few weeks how things are going. ;)
 
Re: Re: Sust & Deca ( A lousy stack ) ?

lenbo said:


I've done this stack MANY times , it usally hits me around week 4-5. I've allways had great results. Eat BIG, drink lots of H20, get you're rest and wait a couple more weeks. Lets us know in a few weeks how things are going. ;)
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if he is taking that kind of load .75 gram of sus and .4 gram of deca.. thats over a gram of juice a week... pay to get the gear tested if you dont grow off that much
 
genarr3 said:
I would grow just looking at those two. Something is not right here. What brands are they?
Are you otherwise having good days in the gym? What I'm getting at is if not for the steroids, would you consider yourself in a peak or valley strength wise?
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Agree, I got the most gains with sust-deca-dbols. Week 5-6-7 were just fantastic in terms of mass gains.
 
manny78 said:


Agree, I got the most gains with sust-deca-dbols. Week 5-6-7 were just fantastic in terms of mass gains.
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i was just about to say dbol would be a great addition to that stack.

just add a bra for the tits and your good to go. lol j/k
 
starting this stack tomorrow...no dbol, as I hate the bloat....I'll let you know what you are doing wrong...lol...I hope
 
Why did you start out at such low dosages? You would have had much better results starting off at Sust eod and Deca 400-600mg per for 4-6wks. After that switch to Test prop at 100-150mg ed and Winny 50mg ed for 4-6wks.
 
500mg, a low dose??????? nah............what are you saying 250mg eod???? Deca at 400mg - 600mg is unnecessary and will shut you down harder than you know what......
 
IMHO a Decca / Sus combination with a kickstart of Dbol is one of the best cycles to put on mass there is.

I would review your:

Diet (enough calories?)
Training (not over training?)
AAS authenticity

Wrongun!
 
Hmmmmmm.... Ok, I guess I'll give it some more time and see what happens. But I always start to kick in with Test Ethan & Dbol by week 3, so this stack doesn't seem to be following my normal reaction times.

Regarding work outs, diet, and sleep... I'm not doing anything differently than I have during other cycles. I'm flooding my body with protein both from natural food and supplement sources and I've up'ed my workouts to 6 days a week as opposed to the regular 4 that I do off cycle, which has always worked well for me. So the differentiating factor here is the AS, not the regimine.

I can't definitively say that the Organon deca couldn't be counterfit, but the Organon sust is in sealed glass ampules. And the sust alone should have given me a noticeable boost, even if I wasn't doing the deca at all.
 
Seems like you're just comparing apples to oranges bro .. as an oral, dbol has an immediate impact (It hits me in hard in week 2 and my strength & size seem to go through the roof). Deca on the other hand is much slower acting ... no one can say for sure, but you may just be a week away from some serious mass gains ;)

-gg
 
houseofpain said:
I've had GREAT results in the past on Test Ethan & Dbol stacks. But this time I tried stacking two new types of AS (Sust & Deca), and the results so far have been pretty lame in terms of both weight gain or strength gains.

I started out for the first 3 weeks on 500mg Sust and 200mg Deca. I'm on my 5th week and up to 750mg Sust and 400mg Deca, and I'm in the gym 6 days a week with pretty high intensity routines. But I'm just not seeing much in the way of results other than a little increased vascularity and some minimal strength gains.

Is it possible that I just don't respond well to either one of these types of AS? Or did I just pick a two AS's that don't compliment each other well in a stack?
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That's very strange houseof pain. That stack (esp the doasges) should blow you up. Are you sure the gear is legit? What brands are they?
 
for me test has its own mind when deciding to kick in.... my first cycle it kicked in around 4 weeks.... second one it took about 7.... my third it kicked in around 5...... i would wait it out a bit longer before questioning your gear bro..... imo
 
this is my fourth cycle and thats exactly what i am on....
weeks 1-10 sust eod
weeks 1-10 deca 400 mg/week
weeks 1-4 dbol 35 mg ed

i am at week 5 and i am growing like a mofo.... the growth i am getting from this cycle is comparable to the first cycle i did.... i am up 15 pounds in 5 weeks.... alot of its water bloat though.... i hold it like a son of a bitch in the face.... i don't even look like the same person.... thanks guys
 
CANT STAND THE BLOAT!!!!!!!! Number one HATE! I'd rather be a buck 20 than have facial bloat, so I refuse the Dbol........you are taking 250mg eod?????????? that's over a gram a week......cmon bro..........
 
JKurz1 said:
CANT STAND THE BLOAT!!!!!!!! Number one HATE! I'd rather be a buck 20 than have facial bloat, so I refuse the Dbol........you are taking 250mg eod?????????? that's over a gram a week......cmon bro..........
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cmon what ? that doesnt average more than a gram of test a week. my next cycle im thinking of doing a gram of test with 50mg of dbol . lots of people do sustanon eod, i would recomemend it eod to take full advantage of all the esters. if you are getting bloating take some ldex, it work for bloat.
 
The problem with decanoate ester drugs, like deca and sust, is that they're so slow acting. This is how deca gets a bad name, "Oh its 3 months after my cycle and I'm shut down bad!" Decanoate ester drugs are widely used in medicine. For example, they give some psychiatric patients injections of antipsychotic drugs once a month. These drugs are intended to act therapeutically over a month. In female contraception they give monthly injections, but tell you to use another form of birth control for the first month, because the drug doesn't kick in until the second month. So both the deca and decanote test in sustanon do not come in for over a month. So, you don't "start" your cycle until the 5th week. It may "kick in" weeks 5,6,7. See enantate drugs often are used every 2weeks in medicine. So you start your cycle week 3, expecting a "kick in" weeks 3,4,5. Similarly, when you stop injecting you are still "on" for a month or so (4-6wks). So 3 months after your injecting stopped, you are only really 6 weeks or so post cycle. A good time to use aggressive PCT, meanwhile people are complaining on the board that the PCT they "did" (apparently while "on cycle" :) ) didn't work?! duh . . . Similarly one could argue you are overtraining, since you should wait to switch from your off cycle routine to your on cycle routine 4 week after injecting. Because of these facts, people often use a loading dose of decanoate drugs too, often 100% LD. So if you are going to use 400ew deca you inject 800 the first week then 400ew after. That will more often guarantee a sharp kick-in at week 5. Deca and sustanon are great drugs, but are better for the old-school way where we took deca for a year and hoped it would be alright :) For the modern cycling approach, this is why NPP (nandralone phen.prop.) is preferred to deca (nandralone decanoate), and straight test esters (prop and enan) to sust (with test decanoate). At 300 ew of test prop and ph. (minus the 200mg test decanoate in 2 sustanon ew, in other words) you just had enough test to shut you down and replace it back or just a shade higher.
 
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houseofpain said:
Hmmmmmm.... Ok, I guess I'll give it some more time and see what happens. But I always start to kick in with Test Ethan & Dbol by week 3, so this stack doesn't seem to be following my normal reaction times.

Regarding work outs, diet, and sleep... I'm not doing anything differently than I have during other cycles. I'm flooding my body with protein both from natural food and supplement sources and I've up'ed my workouts to 6 days a week as opposed to the regular 4 that I do off cycle, which has always worked well for me. So the differentiating factor here is the AS, not the regimine.

I can't definitively say that the Organon deca couldn't be counterfit, but the Organon sust is in sealed glass ampules. And the sust alone should have given me a noticeable boost, even if I wasn't doing the deca at all.
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They both could easily be fake, I'm not saying this is the case, and probably you should give it alittle more time. But there are known fakes of both Organon Deca and sealed Organon Sustenon amps.
What country were they manufactured in? The Sustenon.
 
so maj - I'm gonna hit 300mg of deca once a week and 250mg of sus250 eod. Would you reccomend, on Day 1, 600mg of Deca and 500mg of sus250, then on day 3 250mg of sus250, etc....with 300mg of deca coming on week two?
 
Just inj the Deca once a week and inj the Sust eod. It can't get any simpler than that.
cheers from China
 
yes, jk, sounds good. And dali summed it up well too. I like to put my sust on certain days (say tues, thurs, sat) rather than eod or something that moves around too much.
 
This is my second time running Deca and test. I usually have barely ANY bloat from this stack...therefore, I really don't see much in terms of size until week 10. It takes a loooong time for Deca to put lean mass on you. test is a little faster, but, not much. You should have noticed at least a small increase in strength/endurance by this point. Up your calories...and trust me if your stuff is real, you'll put nice lean mass on by week 8-10. that's why it's better, IMO, to run moderate doses of test/deca over longer periods...like 12+ weeks.
 
houseofpain said:
Hmmmmmm.... Ok, I guess I'll give it some more time and see what happens. But I always start to kick in with Test Ethan & Dbol by week 3, so this stack doesn't seem to be following my normal reaction times.

Regarding work outs, diet, and sleep... I'm not doing anything differently than I have during other cycles. I'm flooding my body with protein both from natural food and supplement sources and I've up'ed my workouts to 6 days a week as opposed to the regular 4 that I do off cycle, which has always worked well for me. So the differentiating factor here is the AS, not the regimine.

I can't definitively say that the Organon deca couldn't be counterfit, but the Organon sust is in sealed glass ampules. And the sust alone should have given me a noticeable boost, even if I wasn't doing the deca at all.
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I think you should give it time. COmparing the Deca/Sust cycle to ANYTHING with d-bol is not a fair comparison AT ALL.

D-bol begins to have an impact in several days, so it just isnt fair to compare these two cycles.

Hope your experiment goes well.
 
gimp is right too, deca takes a loooooooong time for me. But its all worth it in the end. Great lean mass, fat loss, and a nice hard look. It's much better in 12wk+ cycles for this reason, and takes months to recover, so that can all be difficult. But I still love Deca, but again for short cycles I would try NPP for sure, though I can't vouch for this approach personally. Maybe someone else has NPP experience to relate. . .
 
Update...

I'm into week 7 of my cycle on 400mg Deca / 500mg Sust per week delivered in twice weekly injections.

Gains have been minimal at best. (I'm only 6lbs up on weight and strenght gains have only been an increase of 20lbs over normal maximums). What I'm seeing is the same effect I would expect to see if I was on a "Test Only" cycled at 500mg per week.

I don't know if the gear is bogus or if the long acting nature of Deca is the culprit. But this is my first and last cycle with Deca. The minimal gains I'm seeing just aren't worth wasting hard earned cash on Deca.

I'm going back to stacking against a dbol base on my next cycle...
 
damn....and I was going to start that exact stack this week.....any one else have any thoughts? What kind of gear are you using bro? Diet? Training..............
 
very strange and may be time to look at the authenticity of your Decca

SUS / Decca combinations make me grow and would even go as far to say best bulking combination there is!

Wrongun!
 
I have done 2 cycles with dbol/sus/deca
1st cycle: 30mg dbol/500mg/200mg deca= 37lbs
2nd cycle: 30mg dbol/500mg Omna/ 300mg deca= 23lbs

This is one of the all time best bulking cycles you can use...
 
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