Sust & Deca ( A lousy stack ) ?

[badassy]

this is my fourth cycle and thats exactly what i am on....
weeks 1-10 sust eod
weeks 1-10 deca 400 mg/week
weeks 1-4 dbol 35 mg ed

i am at week 5 and i am growing like a mofo.... the growth i am getting from this cycle is comparable to the first cycle i did.... i am up 15 pounds in 5 weeks.... alot of its water bloat though.... i hold it like a son of a bitch in the face.... i don't even look like the same person.... thanks guys

 

[JKurz1]

CANT STAND THE BLOAT!!!!!!!! Number one HATE! I'd rather be a buck 20 than have facial bloat, so I refuse the Dbol........you are taking 250mg eod?????????? that's over a gram a week......cmon bro..........

 

[DaddyX]

CANT STAND THE BLOAT!!!!!!!! Number one HATE! I'd rather be a buck 20 than have facial bloat, so I refuse the Dbol........you are taking 250mg eod?????????? that's over a gram a week......cmon bro..........

cmon what ? that doesnt average more than a gram of test a week. my next cycle im thinking of doing a gram of test with 50mg of dbol . lots of people do sustanon eod, i would recomemend it eod to take full advantage of all the esters. if you are getting bloating take some ldex, it work for bloat.

 

[majutsu]

The problem with decanoate ester drugs, like deca and sust, is that they're so slow acting. This is how deca gets a bad name, "Oh its 3 months after my cycle and I'm shut down bad!" Decanoate ester drugs are widely used in medicine. For example, they give some psychiatric patients injections of antipsychotic drugs once a month. These drugs are intended to act therapeutically over a month. In female contraception they give monthly injections, but tell you to use another form of birth control for the first month, because the drug doesn't kick in until the second month. So both the deca and decanote test in sustanon do not come in for over a month. So, you don't "start" your cycle until the 5th week. It may "kick in" weeks 5,6,7. See enantate drugs often are used every 2weeks in medicine. So you start your cycle week 3, expecting a "kick in" weeks 3,4,5. Similarly, when you stop injecting you are still "on" for a month or so (4-6wks). So 3 months after your injecting stopped, you are only really 6 weeks or so post cycle. A good time to use aggressive PCT, meanwhile people are complaining on the board that the PCT they "did" (apparently while "on cycle" ) didn't work?! duh . . . Similarly one could argue you are overtraining, since you should wait to switch from your off cycle routine to your on cycle routine 4 week after injecting. Because of these facts, people often use a loading dose of decanoate drugs too, often 100% LD. So if you are going to use 400ew deca you inject 800 the first week then 400ew after. That will more often guarantee a sharp kick-in at week 5. Deca and sustanon are great drugs, but are better for the old-school way where we took deca for a year and hoped it would be alright For the modern cycling approach, this is why NPP (nandralone phen.prop.) is preferred to deca (nandralone decanoate), and straight test esters (prop and enan) to sust (with test decanoate). At 300 ew of test prop and ph. (minus the 200mg test decanoate in 2 sustanon ew, in other words) you just had enough test to shut you down and replace it back or just a shade higher.

 

[JKurz1]

Great post bro - good info! K!

 

[genarr3]

Hmmmmmm.... Ok, I guess I'll give it some more time and see what happens. But I always start to kick in with Test Ethan & Dbol by week 3, so this stack doesn't seem to be following my normal reaction times.

Regarding work outs, diet, and sleep... I'm not doing anything differently than I have during other cycles. I'm flooding my body with protein both from natural food and supplement sources and I've up'ed my workouts to 6 days a week as opposed to the regular 4 that I do off cycle, which has always worked well for me. So the differentiating factor here is the AS, not the regimine.

I can't definitively say that the Organon deca couldn't be counterfit, but the Organon sust is in sealed glass ampules. And the sust alone should have given me a noticeable boost, even if I wasn't doing the deca at all.

They both could easily be fake, I'm not saying this is the case, and probably you should give it alittle more time. But there are known fakes of both Organon Deca and sealed Organon Sustenon amps.
What country were they manufactured in? The Sustenon.

 

[JKurz1]

so maj - I'm gonna hit 300mg of deca once a week and 250mg of sus250 eod. Would you reccomend, on Day 1, 600mg of Deca and 500mg of sus250, then on day 3 250mg of sus250, etc....with 300mg of deca coming on week two?

 

[dali]

Just inj the Deca once a week and inj the Sust eod. It can't get any simpler than that.
cheers from China

 

[majutsu]

yes, jk, sounds good. And dali summed it up well too. I like to put my sust on certain days (say tues, thurs, sat) rather than eod or something that moves around too much.

 

[gimp]

This is my second time running Deca and test. I usually have barely ANY bloat from this stack...therefore, I really don't see much in terms of size until week 10. It takes a loooong time for Deca to put lean mass on you. test is a little faster, but, not much. You should have noticed at least a small increase in strength/endurance by this point. Up your calories...and trust me if your stuff is real, you'll put nice lean mass on by week 8-10. that's why it's better, IMO, to run moderate doses of test/deca over longer periods...like 12+ weeks.