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Surefire fat loss: The IF approach

RottenWillow

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I like to introduce novel approaches on our forum and this one definitely qualifies, the IF fat loss protocol. Say hello to intermittent fasting.

Ok so this idea isn't new. I guess it's one those of us who consider ourselves informed relegated to practices of the ignorant. OMG don't skip meals. It slows your metabolism and when you do finally eat you'll get fat.

meh....well mebbe not.


The approach here is the refine the fast....to cajole the metabolism into doing what we want it to do, i.e. spare muscle and consume bodyfat. This is done by eating meals of a specific size, consisting of specific macros in a certain order, after a controlled fast.

Now a proviso from me. This definitely aint for everyone. It calls for going all morning, every morning, without food of any kind. We're talking the first 5 or 6 hours of every day without food. This sort of diet can be particularly demanding on the body. Also, I'm not sure it won't tend to encourage poor eating habits in some people. A morning fast may trigger some people to binge later in the day, while some with eating disorders may find this a trigger to not eat at all.

So just food for thought, ladies.


The following is a cut and paste from the leangains site. The writer introduces himself in the article.



My name is Martin Berkhan and I work as a nutritional consultant, magazine writer and personal trainer. I also happen to be a proponent of intermittent fasting for health, fitness and fat loss.

The Leangains protocol consists of two phases; 16 hours of fasting, followed by 8 hours of feeding. During this period, three meals are usually eaten. Depending on the day, the composition of those meals varies; on workout days, carbs are prioritized before fat, while on rest days fat intake is higher. Protein remains fairly high on all days. That’s a very basic and general description of the protocol I employ; of course, variables change depending on goals, gender, age, body fat and activity levels, but it would be hard to describe it in greater detail without drifting off too far.

Most of my clients are fitness enthusiasts, athletes and weight trainers, but the great majority of them have one thing in common – to look good naked. The ‘gain’ in Leangains can therefore be a bit misleading, as most of my clients wants to lose fat, while retaining as much muscle as possible in the process. While their diets might vary, it rests on some nutritional principles that I thought I’d present to the crowd reading this post. These principles will work for everyone, regardless of fitness level.

Here are a few guidelines that I consider success factors for performance, fat loss and excellent diet compliance.

• On workout days, break the fast with meat, veggies and a fruit. If you’re planning to train shortly after this meal, add a few carbs in the form of a starch source – potatoes or whole grain bread, for example. Make it a medium sized meal and don’t stuff yourself. Train within 3 hrs of having eaten this meal and have a much larger meal after your workout; in this meal, add more complex carbs – and you may even have one of your favourite treats as dessert, if it’s not too high in fat and if eaten in moderation. Good examples of what I refer to as ‘treats’: low fat ice cream, sorbet or JC’s cheesecake. Bad example: Chinese buffet or your son’s birthday cake. You get the point, keep it within moderation and don’t pig out.

• On rest days, eat less calories than on workout days - do this by cutting down on carb intake, and make meat, fibrous veggies and fruit the foundation of your diet for this day. The first meal of the day should be the largest, in contrast to workout days where the post-workout meal is the largest. Largest doesn’t necessarily mean largest in terms of volume; I suggest getting at least 40% of your calorie intake in this meal, and the dominant macronutrient should be protein. I’ll have some clients eating upwards to 100 g protein in this meal, so don’t be afraid to pile on the meat (or whichever protein source you prefer). Fattier meat and fish like ground beef and salmon are examples of some excellent protein sources that may be consumed on rest days.

• In the last meal of the day, include a slow digesting protein source; preferably egg protein, cottage cheese (or any other source of casein based protein). Meat or fish is also ok if you add veggies or supplement with fiber. This meal will keep you full during the fast and exert an anti-catabolic effect on muscle protein stores by ensuring that your body has an ample supply of amino acids until the next meal.

• Whole and unprocessed foods should always take priority over processed or liquid foods, unless circumstance demands a compromise. For example, you might find yourself in situations when there is little time to eat or prepare foods – in such a situation, having a protein shake or meal replacement bar is ok, where as solid, more satiating foods should be consumed whenever there is ample time to cook.

These are a few of the principles I’ve employed with great success; there’s a bit more to it, but this should get you started in the right direction.
 
I kept the first post simple, but if you're interested in trying this or just want more info, I can get you the details of exact implementation.
 
This reminds me of the other fasting diet that was going around the web for a bit... i think it was called "eat, stop, eat" or something like that?!
 
Thanks for posting Willow. I've recently been reading more about IF as I have come across a few people who swear by it...for both cutting and bulking. I haven't had a chance to do any in depth reading yet and your post really sums it up nicely. It's something I'm considering after this cut I'm on...got about 6 weeks left.
 
I'm going to check this out further as well, I am not sure this is for me, as i work out in the morning, and also have tendencies to binge after too much restriction.
 
Thanks for posting Willow. I've recently been reading more about IF as I have come across a few people who swear by it...for both cutting and bulking. I haven't had a chance to do any in depth reading yet and your post really sums it up nicely. It's something I'm considering after this cut I'm on...got about 6 weeks left.

Roxy, I never disclosed this on EF previously, but due to chronic health problems I actually followed an eating pattern for over a year that rather closely resembled IF. I'd rise at 6a, but not eat until 1p. By the final meal of the day my appetite was pretty much nonexistent, but I'd make myself have a light meal of protein and some raw veggies. I steadily lost bodyfat, but didn't lose any lean body mass at all. I ended up a bit leaner than I am now, which would be quite lean. (I was DEXA scanned monday of last week at 18.34%.) During that period of time I did only did 1.5 hours of cardio a week.
 
I'm going to check this out further as well, I am not sure this is for me, as i work out in the morning, and also have tendencies to binge after too much restriction.

I can definitely see it encouraging that, Trex. IF does not allow a final meal of the day one might call gratifying. Plus being active the first 8 hours of your day, every single day, without food is rough.
 
• On workout days, break the fast with meat, veggies and a fruit. If you’re planning to train shortly after this meal, add a few carbs in the form of a starch source – potatoes or whole grain bread, for example. Make it a medium sized meal and don’t stuff yourself. Train within 3 hrs of having eaten this meal and have a much larger meal after your workout; in this meal, add more complex carbs – and you may even have one of your favourite treats as dessert, if it’s not too high in fat and if eaten in moderation. Good examples of what I refer to as ‘treats’: low fat ice cream, sorbet or JC’s cheesecake. Bad example: Chinese buffet or your son’s birthday cake. You get the point, keep it within moderation and don’t pig out.

Let's say you wake up at 6:00am but don't work out until 6:30pm - Is this saying you eat ABSOLUTELY NOTHING until that time?!
 
Let's say you wake up at 6:00am but don't work out until 6:30pm - Is this saying you eat ABSOLUTELY NOTHING until that time?!

no ma'am. You fast 16 hours a day, and eat only over the remaining 8 hour interval. The first 8 hours of the fast you are sleeping, and the remaining 8 hours constitute the first half of your day.

In your example you'd eat Meal #1 at 2:00pm. If that happens to be a workout day this would be the largest meal and the one with the most carbs. If it happens to be a workout day the meal just before the workout would be the biggest meal.
 
So I'm trying this until I get another plan. Today's day one and so far I am almost done the 16 hours of fasting, and get to have a meal... 3:00.. which is 25 minutes away. Haha, I was doing alright with the hunger, until I started getting cold and now it's all that I can think about. haha. :)

Drank 3 liters of water so far.. hopefully it's going to be more. Gym tonight is arm day.. hopefully this will do some good for me and help put me back on track.
 
Roxy, I never disclosed this on EF previously, but due to chronic health problems I actually followed an eating pattern for over a year that rather closely resembled IF. I'd rise at 6a, but not eat until 1p. By the final meal of the day my appetite was pretty much nonexistent, but I'd make myself have a light meal of protein and some raw veggies. I steadily lost bodyfat, but didn't lose any lean body mass at all. I ended up a bit leaner than I am now, which would be quite lean. (I was DEXA scanned monday of last week at 18.34%.) During that period of time I did only did 1.5 hours of cardio a week.

18.34 % is pretty impressive!! Good job!! I'm in a diet transition right now and am looking at IF and how it could work for me. I have been dieting to compete in October but things have been a disaster so I'm looking at pulling out and doing a slower and continued leaning out, with the possibility of competing next June. I think IF would be great for that!!
 
18.34 % is pretty impressive!! Good job!! I'm in a diet transition right now and am looking at IF and how it could work for me. I have been dieting to compete in October but things have been a disaster so I'm looking at pulling out and doing a slower and continued leaning out, with the possibility of competing next June. I think IF would be great for that!!

You know what I'm talking about with that % I know. That's the level people very often think is what 14% or below looks like. IF is a slow but steady way of gradually getting ripped.

It definitely works for really effective LBM maintenance and cutting. I've no experience with doing fasting cardio on it though and the effect that would have on LBM preservation. I'm sure you could find personal anecdotes on the LG site.
 
Roxy, I never disclosed this on EF previously, but due to chronic health problems I actually followed an eating pattern for over a year that rather closely resembled IF. I'd rise at 6a, but not eat until 1p. By the final meal of the day my appetite was pretty much nonexistent, but I'd make myself have a light meal of protein and some raw veggies. I steadily lost bodyfat, but didn't lose any lean body mass at all. I ended up a bit leaner than I am now, which would be quite lean. (I was DEXA scanned monday of last week at 18.34%.) During that period of time I did only did 1.5 hours of cardio a week.

That's impressive!! Honestly, I have thought about skipping breakfast, but everyone says its the meal that sets your metabolism in motion for the day and should never be missed... I might try it. :)
 
So I'm trying this until I get another plan. Today's day one and so far I am almost done the 16 hours of fasting, and get to have a meal... 3:00.. which is 25 minutes away. Haha, I was doing alright with the hunger, until I started getting cold and now it's all that I can think about. haha. :)

Drank 3 liters of water so far.. hopefully it's going to be more. Gym tonight is arm day.. hopefully this will do some good for me and help put me back on track.

Cool! Let me know how it goes!! I will try it tomorrow! That will be my day 1.
 
That's impressive!! Honestly, I have thought about skipping breakfast, but everyone says its the meal that sets your metabolism in motion for the day and should never be missed... I might try it. :)

By the way, I just read on Wikipedia that it is more widely used as 20/4 regime - 20 hour fast followed by 4 hours of eating. I guess you can try to maybe ease into it slowly... like 15/9...17/6...20/4


I always get headaches when I made SUDDEN diet changes
 
By the way, I just read on Wikipedia that it is more widely used as 20/4 regime - 20 hour fast followed by 4 hours of eating. I guess you can try to maybe ease into it slowly... like 15/9...17/6...20/4


I always get headaches when I made SUDDEN diet changes


I've been doing a bit more reading on the IF. I've read a lot of anecdotal stories and it really seems to vary how long people eat vs fast. Sort of like you were saying above. I'm wondering what you all think of the time frames? meaning...would it be as effective to fast a the 15/9 vs the 16/8??
 
By the way, I just read on Wikipedia that it is more widely used as 20/4 regime - 20 hour fast followed by 4 hours of eating. I guess you can try to maybe ease into it slowly... like 15/9...17/6...20/4


I always get headaches when I made SUDDEN diet changes

Whoa...I do not agree. I don't think the author of that particular wiki entry can support that assertion.

Some people do use it in the short term as a 20/4. We're talking 2-3 week mini cycles. You even hear about about bi-monthly 36 hour fasts, but 16/8 or 18/6 are much common IF implementations.

Though demanding and certainly not for everyone, a 16 hour fast permutation of IF is something one can potentially stay on for the very long term. I've basically been on a 15/9 IF for about 14 months.
 
i started something somewhat similar this week, except that instead of fasting altogether, you just don't eat carbs except for certain hours of the day. So for me that works out to the 3-4 hours post workout before I go to bed. So far it is going pretty well, since I'm not really hungry in the beginnings of each day anyways, its always at night especially on nights I worked out that I always wind up starving!
 
i started something somewhat similar this week, except that instead of fasting altogether, you just don't eat carbs except for certain hours of the day. So for me that works out to the 3-4 hours post workout before I go to bed. So far it is going pretty well, since I'm not really hungry in the beginnings of each day anyways, its always at night especially on nights I worked out that I always wind up starving!

Does the macro scheduling change on rest days?
 
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