Supplements vs steroids

[pit1776]

Hello to everyone!

I am a newbie and this is my very first post but I have been looking at this site and its forums and a while and am glad to be a part of it.

First off I am active in the military and get randomly drug tested so please answer if you know anyting about that and if the following supps will pop on a random standard urine test?

I am almost 30 yrs old and have been training for 10 years, I weigh almost 200 lbs and eat about 2300 calories a day with lots of proteins and healthy eating.

I have never done a real cycle but tried Mdrol for a while and got absolutely nothing out of it, since I am getting older I have come to the conclusion that I need to turn to gear, which after doing lots of research, do not believe it is dangerous as long as used correctly.

Now for my first cycle I want to go all oral as I am not ready to inject but understand I will have to at some point so plan on keeping out the Test which I know all will recommend.

What would be better to cut fat, harden up and gain solid lean muscle mass. Strenght and endurace are more important to me and being big because I do alot of cardio.

The next most important thing to me is KEEPING MY GAINS, I do not want to lose what I work for so what would be a better first all oral stack... anavar/clen or winstrol/clen followed by a good PCT?

Also, I have never thought much of legal/herbal supplements and thought they were garbage but am now reconsidering after seeing a lot of people on this site talking them up and saying that actually work and get good gains.

So what do you guys think about anavar/winstrol compared to helladrol/epi-strong/anabeta elite/ DAA's/ or kata? What would be better for a first stack and what will I get the most out of... steroid or one of these supplement stacks?

Also if you recommend going with the legal supps, can you please recommend a good stack? i plan on running an 8 wk cycle starting in the next few months... AFTER i finish researching everything and finally decide what to settle on.

I know most newbs get beat up pretty bad but understand this is part of my research and I am not going to cycle for a while and will take what you guys say seriously so experienced people please help with real advice.
Thanks a lot guys!!

 

[Aplopez8]

Hi

 

[pit1776]

Why hello! Any advice for me?

 

[Nelson Montana]

You're still young. You're in the military. Don't even bother with drugs. If you want to speed up your gains, you can use a stack of UNLEASHED, BRIDGE and GEAR. That'll work great and it's totally natural.

 

[Headholio]

So what do you guys think about anavar/winstrol compared to helladrol/epi-strong/anabeta elite/ DAA's/ or kata? What would be better for a first stack and what will I get the most out of... steroid or one of these supplement stacks?

Your supplement list is really a mix of legal steroids and supps. Kata, epi, hella, are just legal steroids.

Supplements like what Nelson mentioned, or DAA or anabeta, can help a little but nothing like roids, legal or not.

I actually feel real benefits from DAA, D Spark, Hcgenerate, Ultra male RX, Unleashed, and Endosurge for example. But I'm an old fart and my body probably responds better to the booster type supps than a young guy like yourself.

So, you probably don't need the natural boosters, but they might help you a bit. So you need to decide if you want to juice or not. Whether you take winny or var or epi or katana, its all juicing.

 

[ALIN]

You're still young. You're in the military. Don't even bother with drugs. If you want to speed up your gains, you can use a stack of UNLEASHED, BRIDGE and GEAR. That'll work great and it's totally natural.

Agreed,,,right now,,,I would stay all natural for right now, your young, take advantage of your youth.

 

[pit1776]

Ok, thanks a lot guys for all the advice... I have decided going steroid right now is definitely not for me being in the military and I will stay natural for a while but eventually would like some extra gains so after doing some research I have come up with this cycle... can you guys give me some advice on it? dosage recommendations? add, trade, or take away anything?

8 week cycle
Wk 1-8 helladrol/katanadrol/gear/DAA/HCgenerate
Wk 9 & 10 unleashed/liv52/post cycle
Wk 11 & 12 unleashed/liv52/post cycle… add in BRIDGE these 2 wks and continue 2 more wks through 13 & 14

Should I start the BRIDGE immediately following my cycle on wk 9 or wait a couple weeks like I have posted here?

 

[pit1776]

Also, I really want to increase endurance so what do you guys think about adding to the cycle GW-50?

 

[Headholio]

Ok, thanks a lot guys for all the advice... I have decided going steroid right now is definitely not for me being in the military and I will stay natural for a while but eventually would like some extra gains so after doing some research I have come up with this cycle... can you guys give me some advice on it? dosage recommendations? add, trade, or take away anything?

8 week cycle
Wk 1-8 helladrol/katanadrol/gear/DAA/HCgenerate
Wk 9 & 10 unleashed/liv52/post cycle
Wk 11 & 12 unleashed/liv52/post cycle… add in BRIDGE these 2 wks and continue 2 more wks through 13 & 14

Should I start the BRIDGE immediately following my cycle on wk 9 or wait a couple weeks like I have posted here?

You don't do so well with reading comprehension do you.

Try reading the responses again. That cycle is not even close to natural.

 

[stevesmi]

helladrol and kata are legal designer steroids.

they are as strong or stronger than dbol, var, or any other oral steroid you have looked at.

they aren't supplements bro and you should not use them if you will be tested.

 

[pit1776]

You don't do so well with reading comprehension do you.

Try reading the responses again. That cycle is not even close to natural.

No I see them and totally respect all of your advice but I know they are not natural but just like anyone who knows anything they will first do there research and that is all I am doing now...
but off of the advice of everyone I will just stay natural for now.. protein, sleep, and fluids should do it for me

I take a long time with lots of research before I ever decide on anything so everything you guys say is being taken to heart and trust i listen and will stay natural for now... just wanted the advice to research for a later point in time.

Thanks everyone

 

[Arabian]

You're still young. You're in the military. Don't even bother with drugs. If you want to speed up your gains, you can use a stack of UNLEASHED, BRIDGE and GEAR. That'll work great and it's totally natural.

^^^ I would stick to this regime that Nelson has put together for you. I have run all of these compounds and they work very well. Good luck and take advantage of your youth.

 

[pit1776]

Ok thanks... Im worried that even legal stuff to the military will look very bad so I am going to stick all natural for now.... I guess my first post didnt sound right but I never had intention of using steroids, I really wanted just to know what legal supplements were the best and could closely compare to steroids, but after everything posted here.. with all the advice I think I will be staying all naturale for now. I will listen to Nelson Montana as he obviously knows what he is talking about! thanks